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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157176: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:41:23 PM

  • The Maestro from Old Man Logan.
  • Paladin Saddler of the Church of Celestials is a twisted sadist behind a mask of pleasantry, Saddler butchers villages he suspects are "evil", killing them to the last man, woman and child. A torture enthusiast, Saddler is fond of attacking demihumans or anyone he so much as suspects of worshiping demons regardless of logic or justification, taking them and torturing them to death as a form of "purification" and justifying his beliefs under the notion that he is a god. When he captures Diablo's friend Rem, Saddler tries to torture her to death as well, his supposed righteousness nothing more than a mask for the twisted monster he truly is.
  • Lensman:
    • Secret of the Lens: Lord Helmuth is the tyrant of the Boskone Empire who seeks dominion over the entire universe, sending his men to take over or even destroy entire planets, with the hero's farm world obliterated on his orders for the sake of killing one man. Helmuth keeps the populaces of the planets he takes over incapacitated with drugs, leaving them too drugged up to do anything but passively accept his reign, and has countless put to awful, grueling slavery for the rest of their lives in mines to keep a steady supply of the drug. Helmuth is also a frighteningly awful boss who executes subordinates for seemingly any reason he can think of, murdering two competent commanders merely for not having been thorough enough with their attempts to kill the Lensmen and nearly killing another for the transgression of running his mouth–-later executing him anyways in dissatisfaction with his service.
    • Galactic Patrol Lensman:
      • Lord Helmuth is the monstrous ruler of Boskone. A genocidal tyrant, Helmuth has entire planets exterminated on a regular basis, killing countless members of the galactic patrol, and approves sadistic plots of his chief agents, such as Neizel's plan to painfully turn a whole planet to stone via the mineral Geonium. Helmuth is also a terrible boss, frequently painfully killing subordinates for failing. Even in other heroes' backstories, it is revealed Helmuth occupies worlds and subjects inhabitants to genocide if it suits his interest and fancy.
      • Neizel of Boskone is one of the utter worst of the Boskonian Empire's already-polluted ranks, engaging in the conquest and slaughter of entire planets with the same regularity as the other commanders and going beyond. Neizel harvests a substance called Geonium which kills its victims through slow and agonizing petrification, letting the Geonium break out through a star system with a nightclub full of aliens turned to stone as one of myriad casualties it causes. Neizel happily intends to sell the Geonium as a weapon to tyrants with the right price, gloating that there are planets where the rulers would "much rather take care of stone than people".
  • Psycho-Pass is a dark series with dark villains, with this trio of Serial Killers the worst:
    • The darkly charismatic Shogo Makishima seeks out those with the potential to be killers and pushes them into living out their darkest fantasies so he may enjoy seeing the "true state" of humanity. If he ever grows bored with this, he simply has them eliminated. Makishima has no issues getting his own hands dirty, and slits the throat of an innocent girl in front of her friend out of disgust to her devotion to Japan's SIBYL system and her surprise that Makishima registers no negativity on its scale. Seeking to plunge Japan into anarchy, Makishima attempts to sabotage Japan's food supply and forms a twisted attachment to Enforcer Shinya Kōgami, unable to believe Shinya can go on without him when Makishima is gone.
    • Rikako Oryo, one of Shogo Makishima's side projects, relishes Shakespeare's plays when they depict human cruelty and suffering. Rikako has an obsession with creating art by drugging her fellow female students before raping and murdering them. In order to mimic her father's artworks, which Rikako enjoyed even if she had nothing but contempt for the man himself, Rikako dissects the girls and arranges the corpses into scenes to mirror the portraits.
    • Toyohisa Senguji, another of Makishima's associates, is an old man who has converted most of his body to cybernetics to achieve immortality. To alleviate his incredible boredom, Senguji has turned to hunting human beings. Senguji enjoys releasing his prey into the large sewers underneath the city and hunting them down while dressed as a Victorian hunter, along with his cybernetic robotic dogs which he uses to savage his prey before he executes them. Senguji's only passion is hunting people like this, and he has racked up dozens of victims. When done, he harvests the bodies to make tools out of their bones.
  • Tweeny Witches: Grande, the leader and general of the warlocks, continues an over-two-century-long ethnic cleansing campaign against the wizards. Planning the destruction of the Human Realm with the forbidden dark magic, the effect of which he knows would drive every living thing to despair, he schemed to steal the True Book of Spells from the Grand Master of witches. When a prophet advised him against the use of dark magic, he swallowed the prophet whole, with the prophet's young son Sigma watching. When the warlocks discover that all the captive fairies escaped from the Witch Realm, Grande ordered his men to attack the Witch Realm and to bring him the escaped fairies and the True Book of Spells. He manipulated an inept apprentice witch named Eva into casting dark magic as the traitor among the witches under the pretense that he would make her a great witch. While he claims to be making a new home for his species to escape the eventual destruction of the Magical Realm, in reality, he's nothing more than a power-hungry hypocrite willing to hurt even his own people as long as he can rule everything.
  • Yoru no Uta, by Kazuhiro Fujita:
    • "The Puppet Princess": Sadayoshi Karimata is a feudal lord defined by his lust for power. Intrigued with the other lord's method of making a doll that is capable of moving independently by peeling the skin of her daughter to make a spring for said doll, Sadayoshi then overtakes his castle by burning it and then captures most of the children from the lands Sadayoshi conquered, while having their skin peeled off. In addition, he's also converting himself into a doll to make himself more powerful.
    • "Shall We Go Out Walking By Night": Uncle Nahiki is a Mad Artist inspired by the death of his wife. Becoming a Serial Killer obsessed with the perfect painting, Nahiki captures women and has a device cut them in half to add their deaths to his "perfect" masterpiece, with many victims. Nahiki then reveals his final intended victim is his own niece Sayaka, capturing her and placing her in the device to be severed, gloating all the while with how close to completion his master work truly is.
  • Trese: Talagbusao is a sadistic War God out to cause as much chaos and murder as possible. After fathering twin boys, Basilio and Crispin, with a human woman before being sealed away, Talagbusao anticipates the bloodshed they will cause to free him, whereupon he murders his former lover and tries to eat the hearts of his children to become stronger and bring new nightmares to the world. Defeated, he later returns to attack the now-adult twins, Alexandra Trese's bodyguards, by causing a string of suicide bombings to lure in his prey.
  • The Spectre: Richard Redditch, a seemingly-average man who in actuality is a Serial Killer who collects ears from his victims, becomes far worse after illicit experimentation to activate his meta-gene turns his soul into electrical energy. Able to channel himself into any electrical device anywhere, Redditch glories in his new power with a series of murders, brainwashing other people to mutilate and murder other innocent people for him in his mission to "be heard". Unsatisfied, Redditch figuratively and literally destroys all conscience holding him back and drags the souls of one million people into his own private digital world to become power batteries and slaves for him, intending to initiate a nuclear holocaust on the world above to drag all of humanity into the same fate to become his tortured, mindlessly-worshipping playthings for all eternity.
  • Rajaat, the War Bringer, was a Pyreen who despised the Green Age he was born into. Desiring a return to the Blue Age to achieve a sense of satisfaction, Rajaat organized the ruination of the world, training the Champions of Rajaat and having them commit genocide on almost every race of the world of Athas, some being rendered completely extinct. Rajaat planned to betray the Champions and exterminate humanity as well in the end, before being defeated and sealed. In the end of the Prism Pentad, Rajaat emerges again, intent on exterminating most life in the world, gleefully enacts revenge on some of his treacherous former disciples, hellbent on bringing ruination to Athas for the sake of his own twisted desires.
  • Borys of Ebe organized the betrayal against Rajaat when he realized the Champions would not be spared. Gaining the title "Butcher of Dwarves" for his actions, Borys even wiped out entire cities of innocent dwarves, fully committed to their extermination. Killing several other Champions to become a Dragon by draining the life of a city, Borys keeps his master sealed away to maintain his own power base, sacrificing a thousand innocents a year for their energy. When Kalak is overthrown, Borys threatens to raze the city, killing many innocents in his attacks on other areas, and tortures the dwarf Caelum to death after vowing to Caelum's son Rkard he will murder his parents in front of him; an oath he promptly attempts to fulfill in full when he sees Rkard's mother.
  • Dregoth was betrayed by the other Sorcerer Kings when on the cusp of becoming a new Dragon, surviving in undeath. Obsessed with godhood, Dregoth plots to ascend even higher. One of the most sadistic and twisted sorcerer kings who carried out genocide on the giants, Dregoth purged all demihumans from his regions, massacring them down to the last child. Turning countless people into the reptilian Dray to worship him, Dregoth also had countless innocents killed in blood sacrifices to him, while creating armies of undead slaves, even bargaining with the elf Luubarra Fire Dagger to give him her tribesmen to kill and raise up. Intending on an act of atrocity to rise to godhood, Dregoth plans to wipe out the city of Raam and kill all within as a final act, choosing Raam simply out of spite to Abalach-Re for offending him.
  • Abalach-Re was the Sorcerer Queen of Raam and the Champion of Rajaat responsible for the genocide of the orc race. In ancient days, out of jealousy, she masterminded the betrayal of Dregoth and destruction of his city Guistenal. By far the most chaotic of her peers, Abalach-Re treated Raam like her own personal plaything and allowed chaos and anarchy to reign supreme, but she ensured her people still feared her by forcing anyone she actually deemed a threat to fight to the death in Raam's gladiatorial pit. Unique among her peers, she was also a notorious rapist who forced any man who caught her eye to be her consort before killing him when she grew bored, and any children resulting from these unions were simply tossed aside as soon as they were born. When not tormenting her people, Abalach-Re committed many atrocities to increase her power base by attempting to enslave the undead of the cursed Black Waters oasis and even attempting the same ritual Kalak created by impersonating an angelic being and sacrificing thousands of good-aligned people in her mad quest to become a Dragon.
  • Sorcerer King Kalak of Tyr, the former Champion of Rajaat responsible for the genocide of the ogre race, reigns over Tyr as a sadistic tyrant who forces the people into poverty, promotes slavery and barbaric gladiator fights while killing people, including loyal servitors, for completely petty offenses . At one point, Kalak demands one man kill himself just to show his loyalty, and when the man begs, Kalak forces him to slowly disembowel himself as punishment. Seeking to become a Dragon like his former comrade Borys, Kalak plots to suck the life out of tens of thousands of citizens of Tyr, not caring that he will likely destroy the rest of his city in the process. During a coup, a wounded Kalak even drains the lives of his own loyal bodyguards to prolong his life and ascension.
  • Queen Trinth was a Githyanki warlord obsessed with conquering Athas and enslaving its psionically empowered populace to fulfill her megalomaniacal ambitions. Trinth set out to create a portal between Athas and the Astral Plane when she came upon the Gith, mutated survivors from when her people first came to Athas. Viewing Trinth as their new queen who would give them control of Athas, the Gith were gifted with metal weapons and made to raid local settlements to acquire slaves to mine iron and build the gate to the Astral Plane. In truth, Trinth was disgusted with what she saw as abominations and only intended to use the Gith as Cannon Fodder in her invasion and then exterminate them when they were no longer useful. Furthermore, hundreds of Gith were sacrificed to empower the new Nightmare Gate they had constructed. After enslaving the people of Athas, Trinth intended to lead them in a war of genocide against the Githyanki's ancient rivals, the Githzerai, before turning them on the Githyanki lich queen and her followers and assuming control over the Githyanki race.
  • Eevuu Silt Stalker and Luubarra Fire Dagger are the chieftain and defiler of the dreaded Silt Stalker raiding tribe, widely considered the most brutal and savage elves on Athas. Eevuu leads his tribe with an iron fist and kills anyone who challenges his rule, not caring when his people suffer massive casualties in raids. He personally loves leading his tribe on raids of villages, forts, and caravans wherein they slaughter everyone they can find, reveling in the bloodshed itself. He ultimately wants nothing more than to cast down the walls of the city-states and butcher everyone to satisfy his own unquenchable blood lust. Luubarra whispers in her chieftain's ear to push for evermore bloodshed and loves to torture and experiment on any prisoners they bring back. Secretly, Luubarra made a pact with Dregoth to send him prisoners to be made undead in exchange for the power to become a Sorcerer Queen. When she ran out of prisoners, she sent her own clan, the Fire Daggers, to their doom and seeks to do the same to the rest of the Silt Stalker tribe.
  • Getting Back on Your Hooves: Checkmate "Checker" Monarch is Trixie's sociopathic sister and a surprisingly dark villain for an otherwise lighthearted fanfic. Finding out that Trixie's getting back on her hooves, she dedicates herself to ruining Trixie's life like she did before, starting with using an illegal dream infiltration spell to give Rainbow Dash frightening nightmares about Trixie bullying her, and later invading Trixie's dreams when her plan to turn Trixie and Dash against one another fails. When Checker's attempts at breaking Trixie's confidence fail, she tries to murder Dash with a lightning bolt as a response to her not doing what Checker wanted, and has the Diamond Dogs kidnap Trixie so she can force her to choose between leaving Ponyville forever or watch as she destroys the homes and livelihoods of her friends, dumping her in the desert when she chose to leave, still intending on following through her threat anyway. When her plans were publicly exposed, she traps Trixie, the Mane Six, and herself in their dreams, knowing that others won't be able to do anything because forcefully waking up a pony affected by a dream invasion spell would kill the target. She then exploits the inner doubts of the Mane Six, in the forms of their friends and families turning against them because of said self-doubt. As for Trixie, she drops the manipulation and actively tries to murder her, taking the form of a mutated Ursa Major specifically so Trixie would die terrified.
  • The Nuptialverse: Discord, from "Metamorphosis", is far more malicious than his later redeemed canon self. He is first introduced offering the rogue Pegasus that will soon be Chrysalis a deal that, in exchange for her servitude, she will have the power of all three tribes. He then made a hidden fourth tribe of ponies, the Flutterponies, painfully transform into the monstrous Changelings so the Pegasus can have an army. After the Pegasus and her changeling army ambushed the meeting, Discord reveals himself and murders the tribe leaders and everypony in the building in unusually cruel methods. When the Pegasus was growing impatient and wondering when Discord would hold up his end of the bargain, he has the Changelings turn the Pegasus into their queen, explaining that he had promised her "the power of all three tribes". When Chrysalis protested, he tortured her and told her she should be grateful for what he did and that she didn't wind up like Celestia and Luna, who he casually revealed to have Forced to Watch as he murdered everyone blood-related to them before making them immortal.
  • The Dark Knight Trilogy fan series The Joker Blogs: The Joker, confined to Arkham Asylum after the events of his film appearance, continues to cause trouble by having Fields, the new DA, murdered and skinned to prevent him from having the Joker be ruled mentally competent and sent to Blackgate. Along with murdering an orderly who helped him escape and electrocuting the brother of psychiatrist Dr. Harleen Quinzel’s fiancé, provoking Dr. Hugo Strange and threatening both a nurse and orderly Lyle Bolton, the Joker threatens a homeless man, only sparing him because the guy has a death wish. The Joker also takes Dr. Jeremiah Arkham and his wife Lisa hostage, threatening them and later blowing up their house, rendering Lisa comatose. Before that, at Harleen's wedding, the Joker kills Father McHale by shooting him in the crotch and then murders Harleen's fiancé, which begins her transformation into Harley Quinn. The Joker also blows up a guard at Arkham and further torments Arkham later on by cruelly shooting Lisa's new heart while it's being transplanted.
  • The Little Mermaid fanfic Under the Bright Blue Endless Sky: Ursula the Sea Witch manages to surpass her canon incarnation in sheer wickedness. The envious younger half-sister of King Triton, Ursula was banished from Atlantica after her use of dark magic caused untold havoc throughout the kingdom. Spending years attempting to inflict as much harm upon Atlantica as possible, in addition to roping unhappy merfolk into making bargains with her, many of which end with them being transformed into polyps, Ursula tricks Triton's daughter Ariel into making a deal with her in order to become human and reunite with her lover Prince Eric on land. Determined to ensure Ariel doesn't fulfill her end of the bargain, Ursula reveals Ariel's mermaid heritage to a band of unscrupulous pirates and sends them on a mad hunt for her, leaving torched villages and piles of dead bodies in their wake. Upon succeeding in acquiring the trident from her brother, Ursula immediately attempts to brutally kill her niece and her lover.
  • The Crow: The Big Bads of the first two films count:
    • The first film: Top Dollar, a Detroit crime boss who established himself as the supreme ruler of all criminal activity in the city, is a chaotic arsonist who enjoys destruction and murder purely for its own sake. He organizes Devil's Night, in which buildings are burned down all throughout the city. He orders people terrorized out of their homes, and one such couple includes Eric Draven and his fiancée Shelley, who are both violently murdered and Shelley raped by his goons. He didn't specifically give the order for the murders, but he expresses no regret when he learns about it and admits responsibility. He eventually becomes tired of the profit reaped from the arson and other activities, and announces his plans at a criminal convention to burn down everything. His depravity extends to an incestuous relationship with his half-sister, whom he seems to enjoy purely as a sexual consort and for her supernatural knowledge, expressing no noticeable sorrow after her death. Even at the end, he indicates he's enjoyed the thrill of it all, and hopes he'll find someone else as capable an opponent as Eric.
    • City of Angels: Judah Earl is an occultist drug lord ruling over Los Angeles. A self-declared sadist who claims he visited Hell and liked what he saw, he turns his "kingdom" into a nightmarish dystopia where people live in squalor, surrounded by depravity, and constantly in fear of being murdered by his gang. He floods the city with drugs so dangerous that they kill the users half the time, even executing one of his more pragmatic goons who protests that there aren't enough return customers to make a profit; Judah would prefer to kill people. He orders the death of Ashe Corven and his son because the boy happened to witness his operation, as well as any other innocents who do. When Ashe is resurrected and comes for him, Judah captures his crow and ritualistically impales it to steal its power. He proceeds to hang the now-mortal Ashe from a lamppost in the middle of the street and tries to lash him to death in front of everyone, and kills Sarah when she intervenes. The enormous numbers of crows connected to his victims' souls who come for him indicate he's killed many dozens of people during his reign.
  • Dragged Across Concrete: Lorentz Vogelmann is the leader of a group of violent bank robbers. Eager to steal gold bullion as soon as possible, Vogelmann had his partners in crime rob and murder random civilians so they could use the money to buy an armored van for the robbery. During the robbery, Vogelmann and his cohorts slaughter several bank employees when one of them tries to contact the police; castrate the bank manager; and take one of the survivors hostage. Vogelmann and his men later kill one of their getaway drivers and attempt to kill officers Brett Ridgeman and Anthony Lurasetti when they try to steal the gold from them. Vogelmann later threatens to kill the hostage's family if she doesn't murder the two officers, which results in the death of Lurasetti and the hostage.
  • End of Days: Every millennium, Satan escapes from Hell in a bid to destroy the world by fathering The Antichrist and opening a portal to his own domain. In his opening scene, he possesses a New York businessman; makes out with his friend's wife in front of him; then blows up the crowded restaurant they were in. He later ditches the host when the body is close to death. He happily murders his minions and random strangers to blow off steam; crucifies a priest to a ceiling and later massacres a roomful of them; burns someone alive after the victim refused to kill his best friend; tries to rape the girl who was chosen to carry his offspring; and forces the hero Jericho Caine to relive the murder of his wife and child after he refuses to help the Devil in his plans.
  • The Keeping Room (2014/2015): Henry is an Union bummer who, unlike his partner Moses, has no sympathetic qualities. A drunken sociopath with a passion for rape and murder, Henry arrived in the countryside of South Carolina to terrorize it by indulging in serial killing for fun. Introduced shooting a woman after having raped her, killing a coachman and setting his carriage ablaze, Henry massacres the workers and clients of a store before setting his eyes on Augusta and her loved ones, raping her younger sister Louise and almost executing her.
  • Night of the Running Man (1995): Sadistic hitman David Eckhart is introduced in bed with a lover, only to snap her neck when she attempts to ask him personal questions. Later blinding a mugger for amusement and wasting his time, Eckhart goes on the trail of cab driver Jerry Logan who, by chance, has ended up with a million dollars. Capturing a waitress Logan befriended, Eckhart dangles her over a dam's edge and drops her even when she gives him what he wants to know. Having Logan tortured by his partner Mills to keep him from running, the promise of the money eventually makes Eckhart murder his employer and his employer's wife and kill the "snitch" who informed him to get back in the local mob boss's good graces while keeping the money. Eckhart promptly betrays Logan's deal, tries to kill him and his girlfriend, and even murders Mills as not to share the wealth, gloating all the while about the "rush" he is getting from his excitement.
  • The Ninja War of Torakage (2014-15) has both halves of the Big Bad Ensemble:
    • Rikuri is the chancellor for Princess Mizuki, and, despite his goofy personality, proves himself to be a reprehensible figure. Murdering Mizuki's father to secure his position, Rikrui brainwashes Mizuki with magic water that allows him to easily manipulate her. Through Mizuki, Rikuri imposes cannibalism and slave labor upon the citizens of Jesus city, and has rebellious citizens of all ages sacrificed to non-existent gods in order to keep everyone in line. When Torakage and Tsukikage attempt to snatch Rikuri's golden scroll, Rikuri accepts Torakage's plan to keep Tsukikage hostage while he steals him the silver scroll, casually attempting to molest Tsukikage in the meantime. When Tsukikage harms him, Rikuri attempts to sacrifice her, and even strangles Mizuki when she defects against him.
    • Gensai Shinonome, Torakage's former master, is a greedy ninja leader who desires both the silver and golden scroll to obtain hidden treasure. Assigning one of her ninjas to steal the silver scroll, she kills him for accomplishing his task and seeks Torakage. Previously torturing Torakage for fun, she threatens to kill his son should he and Tsukikage fail to steal the golden scroll. With the scrolls in hand, Gensai doesn't care if she has to slaughter the people of Jesus City to gain the treasure. Attempting to kill Torakage after he steals her scrolls, she floods Jesus City by blowing up their dam, and holds Tsukikage hostage in exchange for Torakage's life.
  • Ride with the Devil: Pitt Mackeson manages to be the Token Evil Teammate of the First Missouri Irregulars with his love for fighting and bloodshed. A young gunslinger who enlisted in the pro-Confederate militia solely for the chance to kill Unionists, Pitt is introduced following his fellow militiamen in a plan to attack a pro-Union store, killing a guerilla and amusing himself by repeatedly shooting another in the chest, screaming with excitement afterwards. With all of the armed fighters dead, Pitt murders the owner while his wife watched everything before burning down the store, even after his compatriot Jake Roedel protested. When his group is ambushed by Union soldiers, Pitt purposely stays behind instead of escaping just to kill more people. Ecstatic upon discovering that they would join in on raiding a town, Pitt gleefully participated in the Lawrence Massacre and killed its first victim. Having developed an antagonistic and racist hatred for Jake and his black friend Daniel Holt, Pitt tries to murder them. Dissatisfied with how his side was losing the war, Pitt left the First Missouri Irregulars to indiscriminately plunder and murder with his own gang.
  • The Seventh Curse: Sorcerer Aquala is the High Priest of the Worm Tribe, a small society that worships a demon known as Old Ancestor. Every year, he condemns at least two people to be fed to Old Ancestor, using this ability to get rid of his enemies. One year this included a girl who would not marry him, who was then rescued by Dr. Yuen. In pursuit of the girl, Aquala has Yuen's companions slaughtered and personally puts seven blood curses in Yuen that will kill him slowly. When Yuen returns a year later to stop the curse, Aquala is in the process of crushing 100 children to death and draining their blood to maintain a vampire beast he controls. In the process of stopping Yuen, Aquala massacres a bunch of villagers with booby traps and curses a reporter with homicidal insanity, before ultimately decoding to just feed Yuen and all his allies to Old Ancestor.
  • Thunderball: Emilio Largo is the sadistic, cruel Number Two of SPECTRE. Plotting to blackmail the world at large, Largo has a pilot murdered to have an agent steal his identity, leaving the man to drown when his usefulness is expended, and stealing two NATO warheads. Largo showcases a willingness to feed failed agents to sharks, and is an enthusiast for torture, with one British agent taking cyanide to avoid that fate. Later torturing his mistress Domino, Largo reveals he plans to nuke Miami when his ransom isn't met.
  • Deadlands novels:
    • Ghostwalkers, by Jonathan Maberry: Aleksandar Deray is a necromancer who uses his forces to harrow settlements, killing many people and raising them as fodder for his zombie armies. Enslaving others as Harrowed, infecting them with Manitou and keeping them as slaves via Ghost Rock, Deray sacrifices others for power and intends on building an army to conquer America. Having one Harrowed, Lucky Bob, attempt to kill his own daughter Jenny, Deray is later revealed to be running a prison camp, and has the prisoners massacred to test out his iron giant Samson. Leading an attack on the city Paradise Falls, Deray attempts to slaughter everyone there before running rampant through America, building his own empire on bloodshed and ashes.
    • Thunder Moon Rising, by Jeffrey Mariotte: Jasper Montclair is a wealthy man turned Black Magic practitioner who holds the skull of the deceased Shaman Thunder Moon. Raising a group of monstrous, inhuman creatures, Montclair sends them on killing sprees, murdering civilians and entire families to feed the power of the skull of Thunder Moon. Advancing in strength, Montclair kills more people, intending on sacrificing a little girl named Little Wing to harvest her power and send his beasts to massacre entire population centers, all to reshape the land as he sees fit.
  • Lightning: Arthur Haines is a man who deeply resents his wife for not using any contraceptives. With two children he considers "mistakes", and a third on the way, Haines begins targeting pro-life women, ambushing and raping them in hopes of getting them pregnant so that they will be forced to undergo abortions. Haines stalks them, learning their routines and then visits them again and again, raping them multiple times so they are never able to feel safe, with at least nine to ten different victims, his last being the police officer Eileen who he mistakes for a victim he was already targeting. With zero remorse, Haines stands as one of the single most vile criminals ever encountered by the 87th.
  • Masques, by Patricia Briggs: Geoffrey ae'Magi, Master of Illusion, is the charismatic, seemingly charming and kind ruler of Reth. Rising to power via murder and assassination, Geoffrey subsumes the minds of countless citizens into adoring him while frequently sacrificing countless people to fuel his magic power via their deaths. Experimenting on more to create twisted, beast-like monsters, one of his victims was his own son Cain who barely escaped. Geoffrey plans to spread his dominion further, while also being a rapist who keeps women as his abused concubines until he tires of them, with intent to conquer all he can and sacrifice countless innocents just to empower himself.
  • Modern Faerie Tales: Mabry(n), from Valiant, a spy of the Night Fae Court, uses her position to frame innocents and watch them be executed to amuse herself, then uses her magical harp to replay monologues of their deaths to enjoy time and again. While sent to spy on the Bright Fae Court, Mabry tricks Ravus into killing his friend after the latter catches on to her status as a spy, leading to Ravus's banishment from the Bright Fae Court along with Mabry. Gaining a petty obsession with getting back at Ravus for the banishment despite being the one who actually caused it, she kills dozens of innocent faeries with poison and frames Ravus for it. Mabry then mortally wounds him. Plotting to aid in starting a civil war, when Mabry is confronted by Valerie Russell, she boasts of planning to kill her best friend and using his bones to craft a new accursed harp.
  • "Sucker of Souls", from SNAFU: Survival of the Fittest, by Kirsten Cross: Vlad Dracula himself is a terrifying, monstrous vampire who, when awakened from his prison, promptly slaughters a young research assistant and tries to kill the rest of the group he arrived with. In the past, Dracula massacred and impaled countless innocents, feasted upon children, and stores the souls of his victims in the cave to suffer forever as long as he lives. Plotting on killing or turning the rest of the group in the caverns, Dracula intends on raising a new army and running rampant through the world.
  • Banshee: Banshee, PA, is inhabited by many unsavory characters, with these the worst.
    • The unnamed albino prisoner from season 1's flashbacks was hired to torment the man who would become known as "Lucas Hood" first by viciously beating the latter, then attempting to make Hood his Sex Slave for the remainder of his 15-year prison sentence. Dreaded by fellow inmates, "the Albino" has at least one forced partner, whom he brags was a straight man coerced into a relationship with him to assert dominance and is implied to have an entire unwilling harem. Enraged when Hood maims his boyfriend's face, making him less "pretty", the Albino angrily tries to orally rape Hood before cutting his throat.
    • Calvin Bunker, Kurt Bunker's brother, is the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood in Banshee, where he proceeds to burn off his brother's tattoos off with a blowtorch when he denounces his allegiance to them in season 3's finale. Appearing in season 4, Calvin has a trespasser's head caught in a vice, where he proceeds to tighten the vice's grip, crushing his head and killing him. When his father-in-law, Randall Watts, arrives and takes over leadership, Calvin would bisect one of his own men on Watts's orders before killing Watts and present his head to Kai Proctor; He would also rape his own wife after bragging that he killed Watts, her father. When his brother, Kurt, tries to protect Calvin's wife and son safe from him, Calvin beats his work boss to death out of rage, before attempting to kill Kurt and his own wife and son.
    • The unnamed black ops soldier, from season 4, purchases Job from a human auction site where he would proceed to torture Job for twenty months. The torture methods include blinding his eyes with burning lights; spraying a naked Job with a fire hose; and leaving him dangling on a noose for days, the last of which cause Job's suicide, which the soldier prevents only so he can torture him more. When Job's allies try to buy Job from him, the soldier, implied to have many more victims, tries to have them killed with Job and steal their money
    • Declan Bode, also from season 4, is a sadistic Serial Killer who has killed numerous women in Banshee. He would bring these women to his home where would cut them while they are still alive and they would painfully die from their wounds. He also leads a satanic cult, manipulating many people to join his cause; He also molested his female followers since they were children and persuades one to immolate herself in the Banshee sheriff's department. Kidnapping FBI agent Veronica Dawson, Sheriff Brock Lotus, and "Lucas Hood", Bode would leave the latter two at the mercy of his followers while he proceeds to make Dawson his next victim.
  • Brimstone: Hasdrabul Skaras, from "Slayer", was a ruthless Carthaginian warrior who delighted in Rape, Pillage, and Burn. After escaping from Hell, Skaras tries to form an alliance with Detective Ezekiel "Zeke" Stone, but when Zeke rebukes him, Skaras responds by going on a killing spree, during which he specifically targets the widows of police officers, using the victims' own blood to deface the scene of every murder with the Latin phrase "Vae victis" ("woe to the conquered"). During one confrontation with Zeke, Skaras threatens his wife, forces him to shoot a policeman, and leaves him to take the fall for all of the homicides. When Zeke manages to save one widow from him, Skaras kills the woman's elderly mother, and afterward viciously assaults Zeke's friend Father Horn.
  • Deadly Class: Chester "Fuckface" Wilson is an aspiring Serial Killer. After he murdered his father, he was sent to Sunset Boy's Home, where he often tormented Marcus Lopez Arguello. After Marcus detonated a bomb that disfigured his face, Wilson used the ensuing confusion to murder the residents and staff of Sunset Boy's Home. When Marcus is painted as the most likely suspect, Chester vows to hunt him down as vengeance for stealing his attention. He sets up base in Shabnam's house, where he holds Shabnam's parents and Dwight as slaves for him and his family to torture, as well as a few dogs for him to have sex with. When he begins his killing spree proper, he videotapes a random person he killed, and then kills a woman who witnessed what he did. He follows Marcus and the gang to Las Vegas and takes Chico's severed head to use as leverage to lure Marcus out.
  • S.W.A.T. (2017):
    • Trick Carter, from season 1's "Homecoming", inspired by the original Murder Incorporated, founds Murder L.L.C, promising professional hits with no blowback, with Trick personally performing each drive-by shooting whilst his crew films his murders as an optional extra. Kicking off his career, he murders three members of the 20 Street Hammers on commission, almost reigniting a gang war between the Hammers and the 42s to his complete apathy. Approaching the Volkov Brothers, to secure employment he offers to kill anyone in the entire city for them completely free as a demonstration of his skills, tracking down and murdering DA Rick Kushner a few hours later. He then takes a contract on property developer Nate Wilson and his wife. Cornered by S.W.A.T., Trick murders two of his own crew and then, pretending to surrender, tries to shoot Hondo. Soft-spoken and constantly professional, Trick openly admitted to loving murder and managed in the span of a single day to terrorize LA like few others.
    • Martin Harwell, from season 1's "Ghosts", is an electrical engineer who moonlights as the "Vanity Killer". His MO is to stalk, then kidnap young aspiring actors who have just moved to LA and imprison them in an Abandoned Warehouse. He then kidnaps another person and makes them watch as he he brutally tortures the previous victim for hours on end, carrying on until either the other victim agrees to kill them or they die in agony. Having already done this to eight people, Harwell kidnaps Keri and forces her to watch as he drives a stake through the hands then slices up his ninth victim. Upon S.W.A.T. storming the building, Harwell blows up the warehouse killing his ninth victim and fakes his death. Hiding in Portland for two years, Harwell returns to LA to resume his killing spree, kidnapping a young woman and then Lance Roy. Beginning torturing the woman before Lance, upon SWAT storming his home, Harwell ambushes officer Luca and attempts to beat him to death. With no explanation save sadism offered for his monstrous acts, Harwell was easily one of the most unpleasant and depraved opponents the team ever encountered.
  • Old Man Logan: Even in this dark setting, the Maestro, a corrupt version of the Incredible Hulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, killed for his incompetence. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as suicide bombers and have them blow up several major cities, destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a post-nuclear-holocaust world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his sex slaves.
  • Dying Light: These villains represent the worst that Kyle Crane and the survivors of the zombie-filled city of Harran have to face:
    • Rais, previously Colonel Kadeir Suleiman, reformed himself into a brutal warlord and began taking over Harran, torturing and killing anyone who stood in his way. Rais maims and kills his own soldiers for even small infractions, and withholds Antizin and other medical supplies from fellow survivors to increase the body count and his own power. Killing many members of the resistance group against him, many of whom are Crane's friends which Rais mocks him about, Rais ultimately betrays his own partners and army, slaughtering many of them before allying with the corrupt organization the GRE to enable his own escape from Harran to spread his evil worldwide. Though he once had a brother he loved, Rais acknowledges that his old self and all his care for anyone but himself is gone, showcased by his willingness to give the GRE methods to create a new zombie plague to kill countless people, and embraces his philosophy that chaos and suffering is the natural order, and only the strong can stand above it and torment the weak.
    • Salim, from the side quest "Where's My Mother?", is a sexually depraved kidnapper who stalks women and children throughout the city of Harran. Luring the young mother Aida and her daughter Yasmina to his house, Salim captures Aida and attempts the same on Yasmina, chaining up Aida in his basement. When Kyle Crane arrives searching for Aida, Salim sics an army of zombies onto Crane before trying to kill the man himself, noting his plans to track down Yasmina and her young brother and feed them to zombies. Crane defeats Salim and finds an abused Aida in a room that is horrifyingly stained with blood and filled with tally marks that a prisoner makes, revealing that Salim has had other women and children in his basement to use as his "puppets" for his own pleasure.
    • "The Fan Zone killer" appears in the side quest "Fan Zone". Broadcasting from the Old Town Radio Station, the killer claims that there are women and children at the station who need food and water, but when Kyle Crane hears this and goes to investigate, he finds the broadcaster, ever since the zombie outbreak first started, used the station to lure people in and kill them himself. The killer brags to Crane he has killed so many people he lost count of how many, even saying he killed women and children, and bodies strewn about the station represent only a small amount of his victims. When Crane faces off with him, the killer plans to torture Crane and savor his screams. It is implied that this is how most of his victims died and that the only reasons for his monstrous crimes are for pure enjoyment.
  • Fable I: Jack of Blades arrived in Albion millennia ago to lay waste to humanity for refusing to bow to him and his cohorts. Surviving the destruction of his physical body by placing his soul in a mask and possessing whomever wears it, Jack goes on to spread turmoil over the years. Attacking the village of Oakvale, Jack personally murders the young Hero of Oakvale's father, gouges out the eyes of his sister and imprisons his mother to torture her for decades. Continuing to cause destruction throughout the Hero's life, Jack eventually attacks all of Albion with his forces so he can activate the powerful Sword of Aeons by sacrificing a member of the Hero's bloodline, Jack kills the Hero's mother to claim the blade before facing him. Planning to bathe the entire world in blood, Jack returns in The Lost Chapters, attempting to corrupt the Hero into murdering his own allies before trying to possess him with his mask.
  • Thing-Thing series: The CEO, real name unknown, is the director of Systems Corp., a corporation that creates super soldiers and other Bio-Weapons. In order to do this, Systems Corp. subjects its projects to inhumane experiments, tormenting the artificial humans until they become mindless killers. The CEO runs Systems Corp. with an iron fist, and treats his employees abysmally. To this end, we see a poster in Thing-Thing 4 threatening to punish slacking with electrocution, not to mention his cavalier attitude towards sending his employees to their demises. When the behavioral modification treatment backfires on Project 154, turning him into a vengeance thirsty sociopathic mass murderer, the CEO sends many waves of his employees after 154. When 154 reaches the CEO's office, the CEO casually explains via monitor that despite all of the former's efforts, which costed the company millions of dollars, and caused the deaths of numerous employees, the latter is just an expendable clone, before removing the latter's healing factor, and sending more people to kill him. Once 154 dies, the CEO plans to rework 154's genetics and profit off of the results.
  • Scrambled Egg: Trellorv, a disgusting, monstrous troll who–-after having butchered his parents and his entire village for being punished for his first murder of a mentally-handicapped troll—had an existential crisis which led to him avowing himself to what he feels is the source of joy in life: wanton carnage. Trellorv dismembered a priest shortly after confessing his sins and went on to murder and rape hundreds of people for pleasure, even desecrating a settlement and leaving a portion of the populace not killed but maimed to near-death, begging to be mercy-killed. After he met the omnicidal mage Sonya, Trellorv plans to betray her to take the mystical egg she's seeking and initiate an apocalypse of his own to bask in the everlasting suffering that follows.
  • Mighty Orbots: The massive bio-computer Umbra is the leader of SHADOW, an intergalactic terrorist organization dedicated to universal conquest and the dissolution of the United Planets. Umbra's schemes include attempting to ravage the Earth with monsters and an asteroid; framing the Orbots for terrorist attacks in order to get them thrown into a Hellhole Prison secretly run by SHADOW; bombing and nearly overtaking the United Planets headquarters; and enslaving a peaceful race of primitives whose planet he spitefully tries to blow up when they are freed from his control by the Orbots. When a minion successfully completes his assigned mission, Umbra informs him that he is abandoning him to die due to no longer having any use for him, and when a scientist later complains that Umbra is treating him more like a servant than a partner, Umbra responds by infecting the doctor with his own deadly plague. In the series finale, Umbra wipes out an entire solar system with a weapon called the Sun Smasher, which he threatens to use on the Milky Way unless he is declared overlord of Earth. When the Orbots launch a desperate direct assault against him, Umbra captures them and tortures them with nightmarish illusions while smugly informing them that soon everyone they know and love will be either under his control or obliterated.
  • Excalibur: Necrom, from issues 45-50, an alien scientist who refashioned himself as the tyrant of an alternate Earth, seeks to harness the energy matrix caused by the alignment of all the infinite worlds of existence. In pursuit of this, Necrom leaves his planet to die after draining the life from it–-previously having a city of thousands massacred to wipe out the royal family and their loyalists, and murdering the Earth's version of Excalibur to turn them into his mindless undead servants–-and is pursued by the Barbarian Hero Kylun, whose Love Interest he spitefully murders. Necrom further massacres a unit of soldiers sent to investigate him solely for the thrill of it, subjecting the heroes to awful Mind Rape, before revealing his ultimate intentions to harvest the energy matrix by smashing down all the worlds in the multiverse into one, eradicating all life in reality for the sake of godhood.
  • Old Man Logan: Even in this dark setting, the Maestro, a corrupt version of the Incredible Hulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, killed for his incompetence. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as suicide bombers and have them blow up several major cities, destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a post-nuclear-holocaust world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his sex slaves.
A Conspiracy of Serpents
  • Yamada, aka the Yamata no Orochi/Orochimaru himself, is a sadistic serpentine scientist working for Apophis. Once a mortal sage, Yamada made a deal with the Great Old One Serpent Father Yig to become a destructive serpent Yōkai. Supposedly defeated by Susanoo, Yamada survived thanks to the power of Yig, and was later taken in by Apophis because of his cruel reputation. Working with Apophis to replace the afterlife with being eaten by Apophis, Yamada hopes to have the entire Teraverse serve as his own personal laboratory, hoping to experiment on countless humans and Fae. To feed Apophis, he infects countless planets with venom and offers the inhabitants a false cure that causes them to go crazy and kill everyone, with Yamada feeding their souls to Apophis, and using others to create agonized warriors who serve his every command. Seeking more power, Yamada has Yig captured and painfully experimented on as he extracts his power into Apophis, while also using his energies to create the drug Cobra, which Yamada hands it to countless humans who end up poisoned, their souls easier to extract. Tasked by Apophis to feed him the souls of gods, Yamada has countless sun gods captured and tortured to death in order to create more Cobra. Yamada later has serpent Jormungandr cause natural disasters to sell Cobra as an aid, reveals to Kaliya that he killed his wife and son before ripping his heart out; kills Susanoo with his bare hands; poisons millions while attempting to turn the world into ash; and attempts to destroy Valhalla and Hell itself before his death.

Edited by ACW on Apr 10th 2019 at 11:45:26 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#157177: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:43:50 PM

Talagbusao has Suicide Attack potholes oddly.

Also this my bad. For Mabry it's the Bright court, not the light court.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157178: Apr 7th 2019 at 1:49:37 PM

Fixed the first one; Mabry should be fixed now too.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#157179: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:12:06 PM

The first of those Buffyverse pictures is a lot weaker than the current. The current at least has a clear threat and a victim in clear distress. Simone's is alright (though don't we already have that up in Image Links?) but I don't think it needs a picture swap.

Edited by Scraggle on Apr 7th 2019 at 4:12:13 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#157180: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:16:52 PM

@ACW Agree. Thats a lot of batches which is cool.

Sorry for not contributing that much in this thread in terms of EP. sad

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#157181: Apr 7th 2019 at 3:49:52 PM

Simone's is indeed on the image page.

As for Caleb, while it wouldn't work for the Buffy page, there's a version of it that I had added to the image page.

Edited by ACW on Apr 7th 2019 at 6:51:41 AM

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#157182: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:35:04 PM

Yes to all the candidates I missed.

Just for fun, I thought I would propose a villain from a different franchise, a Choose Your Own Adventures book. Now these are the kid's books where you choose different paths through the story and you can get some good endings and a lot of bad ones and even though they are aimed kids, is not the Dora the Explorer, a lot of the bad endings involve the main character horribly dying (like getting eaten by monsters). Anyway, this book Journey to the Year 3000 involves a young character being put into suspended animation and waking up in the year 3000. As usual, that is a bad idea, because by the Year 3000 the world is ruled by an evil dictator named Styx Mori:

Who is Styx Mori? What has he done?

In this book, Styx Mori is an evil dictator that rules the world by the year 3000. Your onboard computer does not want to land on Earth, because it knows you will be captured, tortured and killed. So you have the option of landing on Mars or Venus instead, which are still harsh planets but have been terraformed to be somewhat livable for humans. Venus has wild animals that Styx fears, so he leaves it alone. Styx also has no interest in colonizing Mars, but knows there hundreds of people living on Mars outside his rule and has ordered his troops to search the planet and kill any rebels they find.

One of the bad endings involves you betraying the location of a rebel base to Styx's troops and if you do so the military commander and assistant talk about how they will be rewarded for killing 97 rebels and then commander points you and says 98. So these troops do have to shoot on sight order.

If you end up on Earth, you end up being at Styx's mercy somehow. One bad ending involves Styx's troops capturing you and making you a slave and you are part of a group of young slaves who are forced to work 10 hours a day building a new wing for Styx's summer palace and the other prisoners will tell you to be grateful you are not being sent to a military camp where the guards beat and starve and deprive you of sleep.

In another story branch (the story circles around a lot, you have to do quests on Mars and Venus to get the tools to defeat Mori), you are a prison the guard says you should not complain, unlike other prisoners, you won't be beaten and will probably get breakfast. Styx meets you and depending on what planets you have visited comes up with a different punishment, either you get put into a space ship and sent to Mars to freeze to death or you are put into a space ship that is heading into the Earth. If you have been to both Mars and Venus (thus have the tools needed to win) you meet Styx again. He offers you his hand to shake for surviving on those planets if you take it, Styx crushes your hand and orders you to be killed by a firing squad. If you have been to Venus and Mars, the rebels on Venus give you an intelligent killer bee to use against Styx. Releasing the bee fills Styx with fear, it's only he is afraid of. Releasing the bee makes Styx beg for his worthless life and you can force him to surrender to the rebels, getting the best ending of the book and the only one where you defeat Styx.

Is he heinous by the standards of the work?

I do not know how much continuity there is between these books, but they do have wildly different settings and premises (there is one where you are a shark). I know some of the Time Cave novels have a continuing story arc, but I am not sure how much that would be for the other books.

Styx is the worst character in this book and we do not see much of Styx's rule, a lot of the book is about the character is trying to survive on Mars and Venus against the elements and various animals. But we do some elements of his rulership, his troops having a shoot a sight order for all rebels, on Earth he has slavery, cruel execution methods and military camps that torture people. That does present him as a cruel ruler.

Any Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

His parents named him Styx, evil dictator was his only career option.

Seriously though, no.

Final Verdict?

He may count, if you think he is heinous enough.

Edited by Overlord on Apr 7th 2019 at 4:39:53 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#157183: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:36:50 PM

Having discussed this with you? I'm gonna edge "yes."

toonyloon Since: Jul, 2011
#157184: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:38:21 PM

So, on Administrivia.Complete Monster, under the "Never Again" list, I feel this part under "Disney" should be removed:

You'd better have a really good reason for bringing up any Disney villain, period. Kids' shows have a very difficult time meeting the standard of heinousness required for this trope.

Not only does this sound condescending, but I think it's underestimating just how vile certain Disney villains can get.

What does you guys think?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#157185: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:39:17 PM

Given the amount of Disney CM's we do have, I do feel that can be at least....reworded.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#157186: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:44:23 PM

[tup] Klaus and Styx. And happy birthday Bodg! :)

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#157187: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:50:02 PM

[tup] Klaus and Styx. And happy birthday Bodg!

Yeah, that post should atleast be reworded. For being kinda condescending, the fact Disney has an Entire Page and most Western Animation C Ms are from kids shows anyways.

Edited by Kylotrope on Apr 7th 2019 at 5:02:56 AM

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#157188: Apr 7th 2019 at 4:58:11 PM

And a yes to Styx and in support of rewording the NA description of Disney

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#157189: Apr 7th 2019 at 5:05:42 PM

[tup] Styx.

Also happy birthday Bobby!

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#157195: Apr 7th 2019 at 5:45:20 PM

There are likely other monsters in some of these other Choose Your Own Adventures novels, even though they are aimed at children, they can get dark. There was actually one set in Nazi-occupied Austria and it's about a Jewish family escaping the Nazis, again that's pretty dark for a book aimed at kids. I think were was another book featuring Nazis, but they were involved in a more general take over the world plot, but they could still count.

Some of these books have not aged well and would be offensive nowadays.

Edited by Overlord on Apr 7th 2019 at 6:08:23 AM

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#157196: Apr 7th 2019 at 5:58:36 PM

[tup] Styx Mori. And also [tup] to changing the warning with Disney C Ms or taking it out altogether.

I'll have the writeups for the two Communist/Totalist Dutch leaders from Kaiserreich up ASAP, just kinda busy right now. BTW, speaking of Kaiserreich C Ms, the Kaiserreich team just teased content updates for National France, the French government in exile after the socialistrevolution through I am unsure who might be a potential CM for National France and I have a feeling we're more likelier to get a MB with what is teased.

Shame there's never gonna be an update for the Commune of France anytime soon because I think George Valois of the Commune of France could be a potential CM if given enough characterization, being a full on National Bolshevik(essentially a unholy hybrid of Nazi and Stalinist) rather than a bog standard totalian Communist. But as it stands, he's more of the generic take-over-the-world sort of villain.

Edited by xie323 on Apr 7th 2019 at 6:11:45 AM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#157197: Apr 7th 2019 at 6:04:37 PM

I've been a fan (if that's... really the right word) of the number of hilariously "YOU KNOW FOR KIDS"-style deaths in Choose Your Own Adventure books and their relatives for some time, so I'd definitely second Overlord that there's probably a number of undiscovered potential examples in there. Though I don't actually own any myself, so I won't be making any personal proposals.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#157198: Apr 7th 2019 at 6:08:17 PM

[tup] to Styx Mori.

Happy birthday Bodg.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#157199: Apr 7th 2019 at 6:13:07 PM

[up][up] I will say, I do remember some of the Fighting Fantasy novel villains being ridiculously over the top evil, like going out their way to be vile and cruel.

Also going back to a topic from before, I have proposed several villains who focus on emotional torture. I proposed Jev and Dr. Adams from Star Trek and Dr. Kruger from the Ghostbusters comics, as well D'Spayre from the Marvel novels, both of whom wanted to make the world their own private kingdom and emotionally torture humanity forever.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#157200: Apr 7th 2019 at 6:13:56 PM

Yeah, yes to that one. Overlord and I both have some FF and CYOA coming


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