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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#154926: Mar 19th 2019 at 6:54:23 PM

Yes to Voicu and Drucilla

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#154927: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:03:14 PM

Alright, since Calamity Mary seems to be beloved, here's her write-up.

  • Magical Girl Raising Project: Even before Calamity Mary was chosen to become a magical girl, she was an alcoholic who abused her daughter in order to make herself feel powerful. Upon receiving her powers she set about using her abilities to torment others for her own amusement. She forced her way into the yakuza as a way to help out bad people and had no issue abusing and shooting her fellow magical girls when they didn't act submissive. When the magical girls were forced into a killing game she embraced the conflict with glee. Eventually she escalated into attacking a highway and shooting dozens of civilians to watch the explosions and lure in her rivals, threatening to keep on killing unless she's stopped.

Edited by Sterok on Mar 19th 2019 at 7:03:49 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#154929: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:41:15 PM

I'll read the effortposts later, but for now:

  • Sterok, please add to the Drafts.
  • Considering Spawn has 9 monsters now (6 comic, movie, cartoon, game), and could very well easily have more, time for its own page? If so, any good quote and images (that aren't TOO graphic)?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#154930: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:57:57 PM

No issues with Dru, since her voiding her redeeming traits is explicitly pointed out.

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#154931: Mar 19th 2019 at 8:06:14 PM

I was just reminded of another Dracula medium I wanted to cover. Thing is it's from a medium we usually don't look at; unpublished scripts.

An early screenplay of The Last Boy Scout is listed under Other Media.

I guess that could be some kind of precedent.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#154932: Mar 19th 2019 at 8:07:59 PM

Also, Mary goes after the current entry, right?

AgeOfTropeEmpire Handsome Head of Hyperion Since: Nov, 2018
Handsome Head of Hyperion
#154934: Mar 19th 2019 at 8:43:07 PM

[tup] to Voicu and Drucilla.

Alright, I have another one, maybe two Batman villains to discuss. Written by one of my favorite comic book writers Ed Brubaker, Batman Gotham Noir is an Elseworlds story of James Gordon as a Private Investigator in a pulpy Noir-esque story.

Who is Mayor Artie Dehaven? What has he done?

Artie Dehaven is the mayor of Gotham City and the Big Bad of the comic.

A corrupt politician known citywide for blackmail, extortion, and murder, Dehaven was a friend to the wealthy Hollingsworth family, so much so that the young daughter Rachel referred to him as "Uncle Artie." When Rachel turned 13, Dehaven began molesting and raping her, and eventually began passing her around the socialites of Gotham, forcing her to be his personal prostitute.

Dehaven would secretly photograph and document Rachel's rapes with each politician, wealthy rich boy, and anyone else with influence in Gotham, thus supplying himself with endless blackmail material.

When, after years of this forced prostitution, a Gotham judge named Pitt tried to save Rachel and expose Dehaven, Dehaven had the man killed. Later, when Dehaven realizes Rachel herself is trying to expose his crimes, Dehaven has her killed. After Gordon investigates Dehaven, Dehaven has him framed for Rachel's murder, and threatens to kill his wife and child if he tries to implicate Dehaven.

When Gordon lets slip that attorney Harvey Dent is using one of Dehaven's goons, Jack Napier, as a mole, Dehaven has him beaten, his cheeks slashed from ear to ear, and leaves him to die in an alley.

With the help of the Batman, Gordon manages to take down Dehaven for his crimes, but not before Dehaven ignites a shootout in a popular dance club in an attempt to kill his final rival in the criminal underworld, Tony Zucco.

Does Dehaven have a Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

None. Dehaven has no reason for being so corrupt or evil, and has zero care for anyone but himself. He only wants power, and used an innocent teenage girl to climb the ladder.

Is Dehaven sufficiently heinous?

If this was mainstream DC, I'd say no, but given it is an Elseworlds with its own heinous standard, Dehaven definitely is. He has rape, forced prostitution, and murder of a young woman on his hands, along with killing or framing anyone in his way and threatening their families.

The only other villain who stands up to Dehaven is Napier, but Dehaven has his own uniqueness about him and his crimes against Rachel are a very vile touch.

Final Verdict?

[tup]

Edited by AgeOfTropeEmpire on Mar 19th 2019 at 8:44:35 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#154938: Mar 19th 2019 at 9:16:34 PM

[tup] to Dehaven.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#154940: Mar 19th 2019 at 9:16:43 PM

[tup] Artie Dehaven.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#154942: Mar 19th 2019 at 9:42:19 PM

[tup]Dehaven.

Why so serious?
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#154944: Mar 19th 2019 at 10:01:40 PM

[tup] for Mayor Artie Dehave.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#154945: Mar 19th 2019 at 10:26:17 PM

[tup]Voicu, Drucilla and Dehavan

Dehavan reminds me off another badguy but I cant tell who?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#154946: Mar 19th 2019 at 11:34:33 PM

Yes to Deheaven

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#154947: Mar 19th 2019 at 11:36:25 PM

[tup] Tom Deheaven

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 19th 2019 at 8:36:38 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#154948: Mar 20th 2019 at 2:06:56 AM

I'll give a yes to Voicu. Should Voicu, Hecwhatever, and the Bloodrayne baddies go under a single tree?

I'll give Drucilla a yes.

Yes to the Mayor.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#154950: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:38:00 AM

@mir: Personally, Dehaven threatening/blackmailing Gordon into taking the fall for a girl’s murder reminded me of Senator Roark, though I don’t know if that’s what you’re thinking of. [tup] to him, Voicu and Drucilla I guess.

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.

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