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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#153678: Mar 9th 2019 at 12:21:54 AM

[tup]Joker and mahru

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#153679: Mar 9th 2019 at 12:49:46 AM

[tup] Ruganogar, Konrad, Nahru and Joker.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153680: Mar 9th 2019 at 2:25:46 AM

Yes to Joker and Mahru.

And btw, something I forgot to bring in Konrad's EP: I should note that while the Inquisitors in both of the manga and anime had a job on eliminating the Sorcerers, not all of them were that bad or racist people just like Konrad (Case in point, we have Dragunov who is also reviled by Konrad's racism). And this is important because one of the Inquisitors in Konrad and Hameline's past was revealed to be a benevolent Inquisitor who treats Hameline pretty nicely to the point he gave her a flute that is important to her later on and keep in mind this guy used to be Konrad's superior when Konrad works as the Inquisition Soldier and during the Nemesis Attack, Konrad murders him out of spite along with other Inquisitors because he saw him as nothing but a hindrance to his plans so yeah... That should be one of his most crucial crimes that I forgot to brought in the EP

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 9th 2019 at 5:26:47 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#153681: Mar 9th 2019 at 2:29:57 AM

Alright ep time and another book collab with me and lighty.

What's the work?

Raven duology is fantasty duology written by Patricia Briggs (Of Mercy Thompson and Hurog fame). It tells the story of the travellers, a group of magic uses whose job is to proetect the world from a Dark God known as The Stalker who if freed would threaten the entire world as well as his chief follower The Shadowed One. The novels themsleves follow, the story of Seraph (a traveller under the order of the raven) and her husband a former soldier named Tier as they attempt to stop the shadowed one from unleashing the stalker upon the world.

So me and lighty have three badguys to ep from this work. Here's the first one.

So whose the villain and what have they done?

Tellridge is the leader of the path and The Heavy of the first book Raven's Shadow. Years ago, the shadowed one founded it as a way to kill order bearers (travellers usually born with the ability to summon a form of magic and dedicated to stopping the Stalker from being free). Since the shadowed one likes to be hands off, he stays in the background and allows others to be the active leaders with Tellridge doing the sacrfices and dirty work directly. Kidnapping countless Order bearers, Tellridge violates their minds and has them tortured to prepare them for sacrfice, having done this for decades at this point. After this is done, their powers are sealed within a gem that than allows sorcerors like Tellridge to access it if their using said gem and gain their abilities, allowing them to become more powerful as time goes. As the leader of the path, Tellridge is responsible for turning the kingdom into depravity and debauarchy, by making sure that the kingdom doesnt run smoothly and allowing corruption to run rampant.

Anyway during the novel itself, Tellridge has Tier kidnapped and brought to him where he has his mind violated (Which is described by Tier as a near rape due to the sheer violation) and tortued and made ready for sacfrcice. Tier though befriends Tellridge's daughter Myacerra and she helps him with a plan to allow him to escape as well as get the rightful hier Phoram back in charge properly. Tellridge you see uses Myacerra and has her seduce his captives to keep them in line. She tried it on Tier but he said no due to being Happily Married to Seraph. Anyway after Tellride finds out, his daughter was helping Tier, he has her tortured till near death and later finshes her off to make an example of anyone who doesnt do what he says. Anyway, Seraph than arrives with re-inforcements to help save Tier and engage Tellridge and the rest of his path masters. And I have no clue what happens to him as the book doesnt say? Tellridge is apperntly killed offpage by Ter's son Jes using his powers with the only the shadwoed one escaping. No joke, they mention that was the only survivour but I have no clue what killed him? Weird?

Freudian Excuse ?

Power-hungry douchebag. So no.

Other redeeming qualities?

Nope he treats his daughter pretty awful by more or less using her as Honey Trap and killing her off in a horrible way after she crossed him. So redeeming qualities are a no.

Heinous standard?

Right not gonna lie to you. This is the trickiest section. Now the shadowed one is exceptionally vile and has a plan to use The Stalker's power to wreak havoc and a much higher bodycount. Thing is, he's far, far, far more powerful than Tellridge whose simply a sorceror of low magical skill who needs ordered gems in order to use abilities.

Well the path itself was formed by the shadowed one, he's very hands off from the running off it preferring not to get his hands dirty. That means that all the torture, Mind Rape and Human Sacrfice they pull is something that Tellridge is responsible for mostly which he relishses doing. Making him one of the most sadistic villains i the series. The dude is responible for killing countless people and corruption of an entire kingdom. That and what he does to his own daughter by torturing her to death is so expectioanlly vile and unique even for this series that it makes him stand out by alot. Like it was one of singel worst acts in the entiere book series that It makes him stand out even from his sorta behind the scenes boss.

Conclusion

I'd say yes but I can see diffeent opnions. What do you guys think.

Edited by miraculous on Mar 9th 2019 at 2:43:03 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#153682: Mar 9th 2019 at 2:39:29 AM

[tup] to Tellridge.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153683: Mar 9th 2019 at 2:45:29 AM

Sure to Ruganogar (why'd he spare Lyrica?). Is this its own continuity?

Yes to Idima and Joker.

Sure to Konrad. Voiced by Patrick Seitz, who also did the dub for DIO.

Yes to Tellridge.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153684: Mar 9th 2019 at 3:02:49 AM

Now since I got the picture, a happy yes to Tellridge

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#153685: Mar 9th 2019 at 3:12:31 AM

[tup] Ruganogar, Konrad, Mahru, Joker, and Tellridge.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#153686: Mar 9th 2019 at 4:03:37 AM

[tup] to Ruganogar, the Destroyer of the Stars, Idima Nahru, The Joker and Tellridge.

TheUnsquished Filthy Casual from A youngun between two oldies Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy Casual
#153687: Mar 9th 2019 at 4:14:07 AM

[tup]Those that count since I last voted.

(Annoyed grunt)
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#153688: Mar 9th 2019 at 4:23:43 AM

[tup] Ruganogar, Konrad (Certain we have someone else named that), Mahiru, Joker (How many times does this make?), and Tell-taleridge.

So I was rechecking Ar Tonelico Qoga YMMV page, and someone added parts in Kurogane entrees. Honestly I forgot about the part that letting tower be incomplete could potentially destroy Ar Ciel and kill everyone which Kurogane knew and still went through with it, so if it's not a problem it would be nice to add these additional details to the entree.

Edited by TheImmortalAngelNewton on Mar 9th 2019 at 4:24:56 AM

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#153689: Mar 9th 2019 at 4:32:23 AM

So new transformers series coming out by netflix. It aperntly will focus on the beginning of the Decepticon Vs. Autobot war. And rooster teeth will be behind production.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153690: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:00:04 AM

[up][up]This? "This ended up stalling the Planet Regeneration Project for 700 years, potentially dooming Ar Ciel and everybody living on it, and causing several far-reaching problems in Sol Cluster whose ripples can still be felt during the time the game takes place."

I'm fine either way.

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#153691: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:17:30 AM

Yeah, that's what I was referring to.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
#153692: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:21:29 AM

@acw: He didn't. Lyrica just managed to make it to a ship and flee the planet seconds before he blew it up.

And yes, Max is a unique continuity.

Also, as Crunchyroll doesn't have the official subs anymore, I'm not sure if Destroyer of the Stars is the official translation or just how the fan sub I watched translated what Lyrica called him.

Edited by Godzillawolf on Mar 9th 2019 at 5:26:18 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153693: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:29:34 AM

Here's some writeups on the approved candidates:

  • Radiant: Konrad de Marbourg is the Captain of the Inquisitors who guards Rumble Town infamous of his hatred of the infected people and foreign refugees. Fifteen years before the main story, it was revealed that he abused a sorcerer child named Hameline under his care along with her other sorcerers friends and also manipulated Rumble Town citizens to kill Hameline's friends. During the Nemesis attack on Rumble Town, it was revealed that Konrad kills the previous Chief Inquisitor who treated Hameline nicely because he hindered his plans and then tricks the innocent citizens to be evacuated into the Inquisition Headquarters until it was revealed that he murders all of them by bombing the chains that holds the Inquisition Headquarters altogether so that he could pin the crime towards the Innocent Immigrants by branding them as "Terrorists". In the present day, it is revealed that he tries to commit mass purges on innocent immigrants by riling the citizens to fight against the immigrants while trying to eliminate all of them like he did fifteen years ago. Despite claiming to be Well-Intentioned in his goals, Konrad proves himself to be a callous, hypocritical and a bigoted racist who represents the worst traits of the Inquisitors.
  • Ghostbusters: The Video Game:
    • Ivo Shandor is a renowned architect and a doctor who is responsible for all of the bad things happened in the game. During his lifetime, he is notorious for performing several unnecessary surgery towards other people. It was revealed that he is the Leader of the Cult of Gozer by trying to bring their god, Gozer, to wipe out humanity and to this end, he manipulates several American famous power brokers—including the Chairman of the International Steel—to do his bidding and renovate several famous landmarks and build the infamous "55 Central Park West" building to summon Gozer. After his death and due to his master's failure to destroy the humanity for the second time, Shandor then possessed the mayor of the New York City and then tries to pin his crimes into Walter Peck to distract the Ghostbusters so that he could kidnap one of his descendants, Ilyssa Selwyn, in order to become a god and remake the world in his own image.
    • The Spider Witch—better known as Evelyn Lewis—is one of Ivo Shandor's mighty followers who used to be a professional widow in life who lures some innocent men into her suite while murdering them brutally by hanging them in the ceiling while their blood is drained and their bodies were dragged around. After making a pact with Shandor, she then becomes the Spider like humanoid creature after death and it was revealed that she makes the souls of the men that she murdered as her eternal slaves. She did this with a motivation of wanting to become more powerful in afterlife.

Send this shit to the drafts.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 9th 2019 at 8:32:44 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
#153694: Mar 9th 2019 at 5:47:49 AM

To clarify, in the sub I watched Ruganogar is called 'The Destroyer of the Stars' while another sub calls him simply 'The Destroyer'.

However, listening close, Lyrica uses the word "Hoshi" in the sentence, which means Star.

As shown with all the translations Godzilla Planet Eater (which also uses hoshi), star and planet in Japanese tends to be interchangeable. So the translation is either "Destroyer of the Stars" or "Destroyer of the Planets", and both would likely be appropriate, and Stars sounds cooler. And both of which sound infinitely cooler than his official subtitle of "Evil Beast".

Seriously, some Ultra villains get really epic subtitles while others get lame ones.

Edited by Godzillawolf on Mar 9th 2019 at 5:50:08 AM

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#153695: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:17:23 AM

@TheImmortalAngelNewton: Konrad Marbourg is named after the real life Konrad von Marburg

I remember that Alpha Protocol's Conrad Marburg (who in universe named himself after the real life von Marburg) was listed as a CM before this thread began, but he was removed a while back for having some redeeming features. That's probably where you heard the name before.

Anyway, [tup]Nahru, Joker, and Tellridge

Edited by lrrose on Mar 9th 2019 at 9:17:35 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153696: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:19:14 AM

So it's stylized version for Shandor and realistic version for Spider Witch?

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153698: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:24:22 AM

@ACW Nah... i just do the writeup for the realistic version of Shandor instead. Haven't got into stylized version so yeah

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153699: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:48:41 AM

Wasn't there debate over whether Realistic!Shandor cared for his mother or something?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153700: Mar 9th 2019 at 6:55:04 AM

@ACW I'll... Decide to look at the stylized version at a later time. But for now, I think I'm cool with realistic version staying.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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