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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Off the top of my head, Yapool, one of the only other Overarching Villains besides Belial, and Gransphere from Ultraman Dyna.
However, both those are Big Bad threats who will require watching entire series. I've seen most of Yapool's other appearances, but only some of Ace. So that'll be awhile, especially if finding subs will be hard to do.
Greeza and Zaigorg from Ultraman X are also ones I'm considering, as Greeza has similar feats to Gargorgon and Zaigorg likely would if he was capable of space travel. Zaigorg more so, as Greeza may debatably be insane while Zaigorg is a sadistic devil.
Edited by Godzillawolf on Mar 8th 2019 at 5:58:31 AM
Because I'm currently recovering from my sickness and wanting to make this as fast as possible and taking a rest a bit, here's an EP from one of the shows that I reserved, Radiant.... Anyone counts in there? Absolutely! Here's the character in question that I want to discuss and I sent the EP to Scraggle in P Ms so yeh...
What's the Work
Radiant is a recently aired anime in Fall 2018 based on the French Comic Book of the same name by Tony Valente that tells us the story about Seth, Melie and Doc who tries to fight against mysterious monster known as "The Nemesis" and both of them are trying to destroy their nest known as Radiant. Now here's the interesting thing about Seth, Doc and Melie: They were known as "The Sorcerer" or better known as people who are better on using magic but with physical deformation due to the contact with the Nemesis (such as Seth's horns, Melie with split personality and so on) and as a result, they were horribly discriminated by the common folk and were considered as a mere abomination. Oh! And fun fact that Seth and co. were hunted by The Inquisition who clearly dislikes the existence of the sorcerers and desires to purge them.
Now, the Discrimination in question? Takes turn for the worst as both Seth and co. went into a place known as "Rumble Town" to hunt some Nemesis. Unfortunately, during their quest, they met the most racist and the most evil Inquisitor of them all, Konrad De Marbourg.
Who is He/What Has He Done
Alright, so Konrad De Marbourg is the Inquisitor who guarded the Rumble Town and claimed to be their "protective wall". He was infamous for his racist behavior and hates two things in his head: "Immigrants" and "Infected People". At his first appearance? He was played as a joke character, getting outsmarted and trolled by Dragunov several times. But in his next appearance? None of his actions following this are played for laughs at all.
See, here's the thing. Considered Konrad's hatred of Immigrants and Infected People, in the next episode during the nemesis attack, Konrad then begans to rile up the common folk against both Immigrants and the Infected against each other so that he could get rid of the Immigrant easily.
And during the crusade, Konrad then intends to purge the immigrants and innocent people that he riled up with his cannons which caused the Rumble Town getting almost destroyed and has no hesitations to sacrifice his subordinates if he defy against his orders. Oh! And in addition, his subordinates capture Doc which resulted on him getting deprived and getting his skin to mold. And also, in the next episode... We also revealed the truth regarding the nemesis attacks in Rumble Town and Konrad's most heinous crime.
It was revealed that he conspire together with a sorceress who could control the Nemesis—or better known as the Domitors—named Hameline in order to trapped both Immigrants and Rumble Town citizens to murder all of them because why not? And this also happened during the incident 15 years ago.
Needless to say, it was revealed that he is also truly responsible for Hameline's misanthropic state as he frequently abuses her and her friends and as a result, Konrad riled some of the citizens to murder all of her friends in front of her and then it was revealed that he also murders his boss due to the latter's compassion with the infected people. This resulted on Hameline to snap especially in the present day.
Oh! To add on his laundry list, it was also revealed that before the Nemesis attacked The Rumble Town, Konrad then lies to the innocent citizens in Rumble Town including the Immigrants so that they could evacuate into the Inquisitor headquarters until it was revealed that he murders said innocent people by bombing the chains that hold the island that has the Inquisition Headquarters altogether which causes them to fall into their deaths and then Konrad pinned all of his crimes to innocent Immigrants because why not?
This caused Seth to getting enraged of course after seeing Hameline in a sorry state and also seeing the abhorrent actions that Konrad had committed in the past and present. Fortunately during the fight against Inquisitor, Seth wins against Konrad. However, it was unknown if Konrad is still alive or not and even then, due to Konrad's actions, it affects the reputation of The Inquisition badly so yeah...
Freudian Excuse/Mitigating Factors
Alright... Here's a rather tricky one for Konrad to qualify: His goals. He claims that he did all of this to protect his "Beautiful Rumble Town" and did this for the better. The issue is that? All of the well-intentioned goals fell apart due to him has no issues to sacrifice the innocent citizens of his town to get rid of the Immigrants and also has no issues too causing the destruction of Rumble Town. Put it this way: He's actually a rather similar person to Judge Claude Frollo who is a rather racist bigot who claims himself to be in the side of the good. And like my friend's said... He's less of a WIE and more of a delusional bigot adept to doublethink so yeah. That and some of his dirty lines were actually from France's most disliked Prime Ministers. Let that sink in for the second.
Aside from that, Zip! Konrad is a racist bigot who has no issues to cause destruction and sacrifice all of the people in his town to further his own goals and his relationship with Hameline is that he treats him as a sorceress who wants to make some money (Because he doesn't know Hameline is the girl from 15 years ago) at best and downright abusive at worst. The only mitigating thing that you could say that he has an awesome mustache
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because why not tongue But that doesn't mitigate his nasty actions so yeah...
Heinous Standard
Alright, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. The world of Radiant is rather full of racist people who were prejudiced by The Sorcerers and some of them loves to hurting them. One of the example is when Seth getting tied to a stakes in his past because of his infection while he was bullied by his conditions or some of them murdered Hameline's mother which is one of the factors that she is a misantrophe until this day.
And the elephant in the room is also Hameline who intends to murder all of the people in Rumble Town because of her Dark And Troubled Past and then there's the fact that the Thaumaturgees also announces some of Seth heinous crimes but luckily this was offscreen more than anything and it could be indicated that the Inquisitor is lying despite the Thaumaturgees mentioning the victim name made Seth remember about something. And then you also have other Inquisitors who capture other innocent immigrants. So Konrad has some stiff competition right?...
He really doesn't. Nothing anyone does is on the sheer scale, callousness, or depravity Konrad does as he takes the cake of the most racist person in the Radiant world. He has no issue to mass purge the innocent people to get rid of the immigrants, plans to do it again and truly an abusive person who made Hameline's life a living hell that causes her to snap. He is a truly condescending, racist and thoroughly reviled by every character in the plot as his actions were played by maximum pathos after his first appearance and it truly affects the live of the people in Rumble Town to the max.
Final Verdict
At the end, I might still unsure on him because he claims to be a WIE person but all of his claims were bullshit because of him being a callous and detestable prick that he is and I feel that in the end of the day, he is an easy keeper.
Thoughts?
Also, Radiant will get a Second Season at Fall 2019, dibs on that definitely! :P And I have to admit that I got some help from a friend in this website, ~Lyendith, who knows a lot about the manga so kudos to him!
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 8th 2019 at 11:29:39 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."I'm sorry for your family troubles, Riley. Hang in there.
Writeup time.
Puppet Master: Andre Toulon, in The Littlest Reich, stands in stark contrast to his sympathetic original incarnation, as a bigoted sadist who used black magic to animate his puppets for sinister purposes. A criminal in his early years, he moved to Germany during World War II to aid the Nazis. Once the tide turned in the Allies' favor, he fled to the United States via a ship, throwing his wife overboard and ordering his puppets to kill everyone else on board. Over the years, he would take Jewish women to his home to perform grisly experiments on them, while using his puppets to slaughter any "undesirables" he came across. In the present day, his puppets — on his command from beyond the grave — gruesomely murder a number of guests in a hotel including Jews, people of color, homosexuals, and a Romani man, before indiscriminately butchering the fleeing guests. When the hero tries to put a stop to the hotel massacre by ramming into his mausoleum, Toulon rises up and shoots the hero's lover in the face.
And there we have it. Now Noseless Murdoc Nicalls isn't the only Full Moon villain to undergo monsterization by adaptation.
Edited by Stellarvore on Mar 8th 2019 at 10:40:05 AM
- Blaster Knuckle: While all the beasts that our protagonist—the Afro American Victor Freeman—hunt eat humans, this duo stands out as notoriously cruel.
- The Major from the Coffin for the Weak Story Arc is a beast disguised as the Major of a racist rural town. Having eat humans from all races, the Major decided to focus in afro-descendents due to considering them easy preys. Taking advantage of the racism of his time, the Major allies with The Klan and other racists to execute all whites sympathetic to the black population and then be free to abuse them, with him personally eating the corpses of victims of lynchings. Capturing a unlucky black girl with the help of racists, the Major proudly confess having eat her sister beforing locking her in a room filled with the bones of his victims with the intention of enjoying her fear before eating her as he already has done with other victims.
- The Unnamed Beast from the town of White Rock Valley is beast with the power of taking over the control of his descendents. Using said power, the beast anhilates a entire town of afro americans and takes control of their bodies, with the intention of forcing Victor to kill black children. Sending his descendants to attack both Victor and the cops hunting him, the Beast later receives the former in his human disguise, setting a trap in the town—whose original inhabitants were slaughtered—to let his descendents kill and torture them, with Alex MacGregor as the Sole Survivor due to his extreme skill. Realizing that both Alex and Victor were members of a beast slaying organization, the Beast sends all his descendents to attack them while taking control of the body of a Alex's friend to guilt trip him.
To ACW: Dunno if you plan on do it but anyway, don't add a Politically Incorrect Villain pothole in the part that I mention that the Major considerates afro descendents being easy victims. The Major legits admits that all races taste the same, he is just being opportunist.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Mar 8th 2019 at 11:58:46 AM
Watch me destroying my countryI meant to post this last night with the other Highlander comics canditate, but eh...
Idima Nahru from the Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment) story-arc "Armageddon" (#10-12) by Brandon Jerwa
The Comic: From 2006 to 2007, Dynamite Comics published a Highlander maxi-series that lasted for thirteen issues, all of them written by Brandon Jerwa, with a few co-written by Michael Avon Deming. The final story-arc was set in 2012, and starred Duncan MacLeod.
Who They Are: A self-declared prophet and clairvoyant, Idima Nahru was a key archivist for the Watchers, who saw her as little more than a kooky conspiracy theorist who was always going on weird tangents about things like gas prices. Eventually becoming convinced that the end was nigh and that it was her destiny to help bring it about, Nahru left the Watchers (who she felt unappreciated by) and founded a doomsday cult called the Eye whose members included two Immortals, an unnamed Frenchman and a woman named Nibila. Nahru placed Nibila in charge of a squad that was dedicated to hunting down Immortals, who the squad usually flushed out by attacking and killing the Immortals' friends and loved ones. While weak Immortals were usually slain, strong ones were taken to the Eye's compound in Tunisia, where they were forced to fight each other to the death due Nahru's belief that they deserved to be "culled" and for the amusement of her followers. Nahru had the Frenchman live among the captive Immortals, to keep an eye on them for her.
When the Watchers became aware of what was going on, they had one of their agents infiltrate the Eye. When the spy was discovered, Nahru sent him back to the Watchers in pieces.
What They Do: Duncan MacLeod and his friend Methos are attacked by Nibila, who abducts Methos while Duncan is saved by the Watchers, who tell him about the Eye. Duncan allows himself to be captured by the Eye, and is pitted against Methos in Nahru's arena. As Duncan and Methos fight, the agents who the Watchers allotted to Duncan as backup are found and hacked to bits by members of the Eye. Methos feigns losing to Duncan, and is hauled away after Duncan refuses to behead him. Methos is replaced by the Frenchman, who Duncan also refuses to decapitate, enraging Nahru into siccing her guards on him. Duncan fends off the guards long enough for Methos to break free and release all of the captive Immortals, including his and Duncan's friends Amanda and Ceirdwyn.
In the chaos, Nahru attempts to escape, but is captured by Methos, Amanda, Ceirdwyn and the Frechman while Duncan fights and decapitates Nibila. Nahru proceeds to mockingly inform everyone that Nibila's protective collar contained a dead man's switch for a nuclear bomb which has just blown up a nearby city. When Duncan makes physical contact with Nahru, he has a vision showing that she has more nuclear weapons stockpiled on a ship off of the coast of the city of Bizerte, which she is going to annihilate along with plenty of other metropolitan areas. While Amanda and Ceirdwyn go to try and help any survivors of the nuclear blast, Duncan tries to interrogate Nahru, who smugly informs him that nothing she says will help him stop her plans from coming to fruition before trying to tempt him into killing her while revealing that she somehow knows that Duncan is able to communicate with the spirit of his dead kinsman Connor.
Once they reach the ship, Nahru orders her men to let her and the Immortals into the weapons hold, where she succumbs to radiation poisoning and the Frenchman turns on Duncan, aware that whichever one of them gets beheaded, the result will be the same — the Quickening will activate all of the nukes and blow the ship up; either Duncan will die, or he'll be doomed to spend years or decades suffering from the effects of radiation poisoning (this is implied to be Nahru's final gambit, one last screw you to Duncan). In the end, Duncan decapitates the Frenchman.
Heinousness: She was just a mortal, but she came pretty darn close to achieving her dream of being the one to end the world, nuking a city on top of all of the Immortals and countless others that she had killed. We notably never even really learn why she was cutting down the Immortals, with the only theory presented being that she was attempting to force a Gathering and have her minion Nibila be the one to claim the Prize and the power and knowledge that it bestowed after she took out whatever Immortal was left standing after the Eye dealt with them all (given that Nahru referred to deploying the nukes as a contingency, this might have been an accurate guess; either Nibila becomes all-powerful, or she dies and the Eye goes with the nuclear holocaust option).
Mitigating Factors: It could be argued that she was insane, but scenes like the one where she expressed awareness of Connor's spirit residing within Duncan leaned towards Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane and indicated that she actually was clairvoyant and that her prophecies were self-fulfilling ones (she saw herself as the instigator of Armageddon, and so set out to become it). I'm not sure if that counts for anything, especially since her willingness to have backup plans and contingencies showed that she apparently didn't see herself as being totally infallible and her visions as being set in stone, making it seem in part like she was doing all of this because she wanted to and not Because Destiny Says So.
Hey guys, back with another theme park one. This one won't be too difficult (it's a regular here in another incarnation). This one is at Warner Bros. Studio, and was featured at their new horror event "Horror Made Here", which I assume they've made to contend with the likes of Universal's Halloween Horror Nights and Knotts Scary Farm.
What's the attraction? Escape from Arkham Asylum is an immersive, horror-themed walkthrough haunted attraction taking place in a alternate timeline of the Batman: Arkham games.
The villain: You know him, you love him. The Clown Prince of Crime, the Jester of Genocide, the Harlequin of Hate: the Joker.
Who is the Joker? What has he done? The attraction follows DC Comics history with the Joker's past and whatnot, but retells the story of him taking over Arkham Asylum from the first Arkham game. In this version, Batman was not present when the Joker began his takeover, resulting in it going along mostly uninterrupted.
Guests enter Arkham Asylum to find that they have been kidnapped by the Joker and Harley Quinn. The Joker sets up a "trial", where he finds all the guests guilty of "being too sane" and sentences them to life and death in Arkham. He forces them all into a small elevator and cuts the ropes to let it drop. After escaping the elevator, guests are forced into the bowels of the Asylum where they see the carnage of the Joker's takeover: dead guards and clowns everywhere, patients going insane with Joker Venom, and goons and clowns attacking at every turn. Guests are also forced to face many of the other notable inmates: the Riddler, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, and the Penguin, who threaten to kill them. Guests come across a room of the morgue full of Joker Gas, and are forced to watch as the victims inside choke and convulse to death.
Joker himself then appears, and forces Harley to herd the guests into his funhouse: a trippy maze filled with traps and homicidal goons. A few clowns have been murdered and placed around the funhouse solely to serve as decorations.
Just as the Joker is about to end his torture of the guests by finishing them off, Batman appears and breaks open an exit. He is heard struggling, fighting with the Joker as Harley Quinn fails to keep the guests from escaping.
Mitigating factors? Nope. He doesn't succeed in "killing" the guests like some other horror attraction villains I've E Ped, but he was about to and clearly has a high enough body count already.
Heinous Standard: There are a lot of villains in this maze, but other than Harley Quinn (who just leads guests from one trap to another), they all just threaten them (most of them are still in cages). The others are Joker's goons and act on his bidding.
Final verdict? As with most Jokers, I'd think
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Edited by G-Editor on Mar 8th 2019 at 2:09:17 AM
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