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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#153226: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:07:38 PM

This is your first Live action CM Newt. Wow I wonder how many of us EP Monsters from live action tv? I know that I have EP numerous baddies from Live Action Tv and so have Beast and Lightysnake, but what about the others aside from a few? I mean one of our biggest contributors Scraggle only has a few Live action tv CMs under his belt

[down] that’s awesome, proof that our forum is ever expanding. Also did you do the coach Vincent from Titans?

Edited by G-Editor on Mar 5th 2019 at 7:28:56 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#153227: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:20:44 PM

I mean, increasingly so. There was that one pocket of time I had no live-action keepers whatsoever, but now? The DC shows I covered with Overlord and Miraculous, RoboCop, Quantum Leap, Magnificent Seven, even pretty obscure stuff like Early Edition and First Wave?

Actually, Early Edition will never cease not to amaze me that we got three keepers from considering the premise and conflicts were often as pedestrian as you could get.

Edited by Scraggle on Mar 5th 2019 at 10:22:11 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#153228: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:36:59 PM

[tup] Ultraman duo, Genjurou and Wakefield.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153229: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:39:30 PM

sadly I'm one of the guys who didnt propose live action tv baddies as for now. Mainly because lack of interest due to long duration and prefer some things that are more animated (cuz as you know who said, animation is a lot more flexible). But I'm cool if I cover some Live Action tv stuff at later future.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#153230: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:40:28 PM

[tup]Wakefield

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#153232: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:48:04 PM

I'm going to be looking into a couple Live Action shows to see if I can find a couple soon.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 5th 2019 at 11:50:09 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#153234: Mar 5th 2019 at 9:51:25 PM

[up] They are on my to-do list. I am not going to bog down the thread until I know for sure that I will be able to find one in them by watching them myself.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 5th 2019 at 12:03:33 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153236: Mar 5th 2019 at 11:21:29 PM

Here's a slight re-tweak on Brumeia from Blazing Souls Accelate.

Blazing Souls Accelate: Brumeia is one of the Human Genomes tasked by Gustavinus to replace all of the humans. Instead of following Gustavinus' orders, she went into Vergis Kingdom and then enthralled its king to murder all of his families so that she could become its queen who rules the Kingdom with an iron fist while she manipulates the king for decades for her own benefit. At one point, she skinned a maid over the course of one week just because she called her "pretty". She also sent a thief that the main heroes encountered before to steal an Elemental Core which the main heroes possessed. When the citizens of Vergis Kingdom started a rebellion led by Nguyen Le, a survivor of the Vergis Kingdom massacre, Brumeia brainwashed her soldiers to fight against them, and when encountered by Nguyen, Brumeia then uses the king and the royal retainer as personal attack dogs against Nguyen while both of them were aware of what they are doing in order to cause Nguyen to emotionally shattered. Running away to a faraway desert after being defeated, Brumeia then attacks the innocent bystanders who passes through the desert by controlling the bandits so that she could establish her new base. In the end, she ruins other people life and make them suffer to slake her own amusement.

~Zero Dozer Thoughts? I'm also cool if I left this entry " and would have succeeded had Zelos not decided that enough was enough".

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153237: Mar 6th 2019 at 2:16:17 AM

Yes to Zogu and the second Wakefield.

I recently got my first music candidate and Web Original candidate up.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153238: Mar 6th 2019 at 4:48:28 AM

@ACW Btw, opinions on Brumeia expansion :P

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#153239: Mar 6th 2019 at 5:13:23 AM

[tup] to Zogu and John Wakefield.

Its funny, I'm exactly the opposite, I'm almost exclusively Live Action TV. So far I've only had two Literature and one film candidates that weren't Live Action TV. I'm even planning to propose some candidates from another series at some point soon, right this moment.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#153241: Mar 6th 2019 at 6:26:33 AM

Wakefield is a solid yes. Ultraman ones as well.

Edited by Lightysnake on Mar 6th 2019 at 9:26:50 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#153242: Mar 6th 2019 at 6:55:03 AM

[tup] Ultraman peeps and Wakefield

I’ve only done 3 TV show villains. I wouldn’t mind doing more, but I just don’t have the time.

I'm more comfortable doing movies, games, and anime (though I don't mind diverging every once in a while).

Edited by therealjackieboy on Mar 6th 2019 at 7:15:10 AM

It's Spooky Month!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#153243: Mar 6th 2019 at 6:57:49 AM

I used to do tv show badguys but since I ran out of shows to ep that I know off with badguys who qualfiy. I switched to now mostly doing novels

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#153244: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:02:08 AM

[tup]Wakefield.

I used to primarily propose from film, mainly fantasy, but have started to switch towards novels, though once again, they're usually of the fantasy genre.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#153245: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:16:18 AM

Brumeia expansion looks fine. Please add to the Drafts.

Godzillawolf, I'd say that's worth adding to Destruction Bringer's entry; you can do it when you write up the other two.

All of my TV entries I watched specifically to see if the potential CM was in fact one; all of my Marvel Lit ones I had read YEARS ago (like, possibly 15-20 years ago) and thought they might count (Nadir and Strucker I read specifically for this trope).

Edited by ACW on Mar 6th 2019 at 10:24:57 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#153246: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:34:10 AM

I did do the rewrite for Oswald Danes from Miracle Day and the write up for Bob Rickman from Smallville. Though I didn't EP them.

Most my keepers come from Fan Works. I also have 2 Comic Books and 1 Video Games.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 6th 2019 at 9:51:02 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#153247: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:37:19 AM

Like I said, I have to admit that my niche is the same as Jackie's niche... Covering Anime, Video Games and Films because why not. Though I would love to cover more in the future just like him and Lighty I guess.

Although I have to admit that Comic Books and Web Original contents didn't hurt either and would love to cover them at later future if I have time.

I also gonna say thanks to @miraculous for recommending me most of the works I ended up searching for C Ms

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Mar 6th 2019 at 10:39:22 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#153248: Mar 6th 2019 at 7:46:59 AM

For me, my niche is mainly films. Had also looked into anime and manga and a few times for live action television shows. Kind of taken an interest in trying to see if there are any music examples since I listen to music a lot.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#153249: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:02:00 AM

[tup] Ultraman guys and [tup] John Wakefield.

So V/H/S: Viral is the third of an anthology horror trilogy that consists of found footage horror shorts for each segment. For some reason, this film has some kind of message regarding viral videos and social media (y'know the kind of stuff that'd make tapes obsolete). It also all but drops the found footage angle at some points.

Like the other two movies, there doesn't seem to be that much of a story or world connection between the trilogy or the segments within them (or at least if there were we'd be in for one helluva Crapsack World). At the very least the segment "Bonestorm" might have very loose Broad Strokes with "Safe Haven" (insofar as having an undead cult that worships a demon, that's about it). Only villain I can see counting here is the titular villain of the segment Dante The Great.

Who is Dante ? What does he do ?

Dante is the stage name of John McMullen, who started out as a lowly hick in Alberta who liked to show off amateur tricks around the trailer park. An aspiring magician, one day he finds himself owning a cape supposedly used by Houdini himself, that granted him magic powers. Taking the nickname "Dante the Great", he would become an famous, popular, Chris Angel style magician and made a name for himself. Dante later learns that the capes power comes from the fact that it is some kind of eldtrich monster that needs to eat people to survive. So to keep it satisfied, Dante would befriend and seduce women, normally his assistants and feed them to his cape. He felt the need to film it all too.

After two years, Dante's newest assistant Scarlett becomes the latest to get close to him, and incidentally her abusive ex boyfriend disappears (read: is killed by Dante). One day she discovers Dante's tapes behind his safe and goes to the police with it. A SWAT team is called in to arrest Dante during an interview, only for him to immediately escape during the arrest and pulls Scarlett away from the police station when she's giving her statement. Dante goes on a rampage, during which he kills off the SWAT team and attempts to kill Scarlett. Scarlett gets her hands on the cape and a magic fight ensues that culminates it a Scarlett tricking Dante himself into being fed to the cape.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

Started out as an unemployed trailer park resident who felt like he wasn't getting the props he deserved while fumbling at magic tricks for his friends. His only scene with them is him getting annoyed when they laugh him off. Then one day he finds a cape that gives him magic powers and when he ends up splitting a rabbit open he starts laughing. He has no problem with feeding people to his cape to keep his power going. We see him getting close with his assistant Scarlett but whether or not this is genuine on his part or she's just another victim he's been grooming, he still tries to kill her with no hesitation or remorse when she gets the cops onto her.

As far as possible redeeming qualities, he seems to have an Even Evil Has Standards against Scarlett's abusive boyfriend, even calling him "a dick" just after he kills him; but this feels like rather hypocritical standards if Dane himself has been killing his own girlfriends for years. There's also a moment after Dante's death were an old friend of his (an elderly woman) mentions that Dante called her some time ago and was planning to visit.

Heinous standard

I generally don't hold the heinous standards of anthology segments against each other if the segments are not connected, which is the case with the VHS series. However as far as the other villains in this film goes, there's demonic parallel dimension that comes with the crapsack that goes with it; an undead cult that worships a kind of monster or demon, and a wannabe snuff artist in that same segment. With Dante, they give him a large onscreen bodycount and establish two years of killing women to feed to his cape, as well as killing about a dozen or so SWAT officers.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#153250: Mar 6th 2019 at 8:06:38 AM

[tdown] Dante

The Elderly woman stuff. Dunno, it seems too mitigating even if random.

It sucks.

And I'm personally trying some AlternateHistory.com stuff. Especially involving stuff involving Imperial Japan.

Watch me destroying my country

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