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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#148676: Feb 10th 2019 at 9:54:55 PM

Season 2 renders his qualification...in doubt.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#148677: Feb 10th 2019 at 9:57:42 PM

[up]I'm thinking about that too, like, I don't remember him doing anything morally mitigating but he is reduced to a Joke Character...because he is Sealed Inside a Person-Shaped Can that is Hajime of all persons. That is the Other mitagating trait.

That is why I'd asked if anyone discussed him before, because I wanna try and see what it sticks.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 10th 2019 at 12:58:27 PM

Watch me destroying my country
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#148678: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:02:12 PM

"Glemmy Toto" is still the goofiest CM name IMO. He sounds like... I dunno, the Teletubbies' drunk uncle.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#148679: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:05:23 PM

Tbf, Caesar Clown's been virtually reduced to a Joke Character too, and he still qualifies.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#148680: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:24:47 PM

Theres also Helga from Totally Spies whose crimes are played seriously but reduced to a joke character while still a little bit threatening as the time goes on.

Speaking of Joke characters... Gotta check Kyo Kara Maoh and possibly Phi Brain at a later future.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148681: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:28:49 PM

Speaking of Gatchaman. Is anyone here famalir with the original anime Science Ninja Team Gatchaman. ?

I know it's Big Bad Sosai X was on the Ymmv page but unapproved

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#148682: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:30:59 PM

So if villains who start out threatening but become Joke Characters as time passes can be on this trope than why can't HIM from the PPG count?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148684: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:32:54 PM

All yours.

Assuming his unapproved entry which says he wants to destroy the earth and experiments on children is accurate. He probably counts.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 10th 2019 at 10:33:27 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#148686: Feb 10th 2019 at 10:38:33 PM

Always worth a double-check though, I remember someone tried for the book version of Vosch via his villains wiki entry on the basis that he used child soldiers and Kill All Humans... neglecting to read the book and thereby missing the fact the character had a family he was indicated to care about.

also may as well through up a yeah for the silly-voice demon while I'm here.

Edited by 43110 on Feb 10th 2019 at 1:39:05 PM

AgeOfTropeEmpire Handsome Head of Hyperion Since: Nov, 2018
Handsome Head of Hyperion
#148687: Feb 10th 2019 at 11:49:31 PM

[tup] to Gagyson and Vector.

Even though I have not been here for too long, I suppose if I had to pick a favorite proposed CM, it would be STEM from Upgrade. Very well done twist villain with a surprisingly charming personality for a monotone A.I.

One more candidate before my write-ups, who I found in the same zombie movie binge that brought me to Vic.

What's the work?

The Rezort is a British horror film that has been described as "Jurassic Park but with zombies", which fits it perfectly.

After a zombie outbreak claims the lives of 2 billion humans worldwide, the zombie threat is ultimately neutralized. When the only zombies in the world are left on an island owned by billionaire Valeria Wilton, she creates "The Rezort", turning the island into a hotel and resort where guests go on safaris to kill the remaining zombies in the world, be it for sport or as a form of vengeance by proxy for what the undead put humanity through.

Who is Valerie Wilton? What has she done?

Valerie Wilton is, as I said, the CEO of The Resort and a head contributor to the worldwide relief program "Hope 4 U", designed to bring aid to the billions affected by the outbreak and offer safe havens for the millions of refuges driven from their home countries by the outbreak and ensuing chaos.

However, there is a much darker side to The Rezort and Hope 4 U, as it is revealed that all of the "original" zombies trapped on Wilton's island have long been dead, and she has actually been using the nearby Hope 4 U refugee camp to kidnap thousands of refugees, forcibly expose them to zombie virus, and then put them through giant microwave machines that dessicate their bodies and make remove any evidence that they are "fresh", thus giving Wilton an endless supply of zombies to keep The Rezort, and her millions profited from it, flowing in.

Having turned thousands of men, women, and children (young children explicitly seen here) into zombies to use as cannon fodder for guests at The Rezort, Wilton plans to keep the cash, and victim count, rising for decades to come, however when an activist group hacks into The Rezort and releases the thousands of zombies from their imprisonment, her plans are foiled.

Locking herself in her office, leaving her own staff outside to die to save her own skin as they scream for her to let them in, Wilton is apathetic to the fact that her failsafe, "Operation Brimstone", will soon activate and wipe out every living thing on the island, including any surviving guests, so long as she escapes.

When the protagonist Mel makes her way into Wilton's office, Wilton first tries to play nice to get Mel's help in escaping, before ordering her to give Wilton her gun (with the heavy implication being that Wilton is going to use Mel as bait to be eaten while she escapes), and then assaulting Mel and stealing the gun.

Before she can train it on Mel however, zombies burst in and rip Wilton to shreds as she screams, killing the woman and ending The Rezort.

Does Wilton have a Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

None. Wilton justifies her crimes by saying "I'm just a businesswoman in a world with new priorities", but Mel calls her out for this bullshit immediately, just calling Wilton an animal far worse than any zombie.

When first meeting up with Mel, Wilton seems legitimately trying to team up with her to get them both out of harm's way, but this is thrown out the window when she attacks Mel for her gun, with her phrasing beforehand implying she planned to use Mel as a distraction to enable her own escape.

Is Wilton sufficiently heinous?

Yes. Though she has little screentime and her only notable crime is the "Hope 4 U" scandal, that alone propels her far over the heinous standard. She has thousands of horrible deaths in her hands by turning innocent men, women, and children into zombies to be shot and tortured by guests, all just to turn a profit.

Final Verdict?

Easy [tup].

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#148688: Feb 10th 2019 at 11:55:20 PM

Easy yes indeed. Though one wonders logically how long she expected to keep that up before people got a bit... hmm, suspicious. Unless zombies can breed in this universe.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 10th 2019 at 12:56:43 PM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#148689: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:00:47 AM

Sure there.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
AgeOfTropeEmpire Handsome Head of Hyperion Since: Nov, 2018
Handsome Head of Hyperion
#148690: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:04:04 AM

[up][up] No breeding, it is justified in-universe as "no one caring" enough to actually do the math and realize the numbers of zombies aren't adding up, but honestly it feels like a hand-wave to explain it, like the filmmakers came up with the plot for Wilton's crimes then realized halfway through filming "oh wait how is she getting away with this" and threw the line in for that reason.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#148691: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:10:24 AM

[tup] There.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148692: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:16:13 AM

[tup]Wilton

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#148693: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:33:17 AM

Quick catch up:

Gonna change to a tentative [tdown] to Liv. Causing Peter to be weakened so he could be killed by Kingpin was almost enough for me to keep my vote as it was.

God rest the one and only Albert Finney.

Late [tup] to Shockwave.note 

Favorites among those I put up (in no particular order): Nicolas Kudrow, Madison Lee, Poppy Adams, Big Boy Caprice, Bill Cox (he’s probably the top pick of the seven though), Antoine Sartain, Billy Lee.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:36:47 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#148694: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:41:24 AM

Ummm... hello. Fairly new troper here, but I've been following this thread for a while... anyone mind if I join in?

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#148695: Feb 11th 2019 at 12:49:49 AM

@Cloister By all means.

So I HOPE this is the last time I have to try this quote that I don’t think I got any responses on whatsoever before. I omitted the "gonna put you in a box part" and I think it pulls together very well. I believed it did ever since I first heard it and it certainly gets a [tup] from me:

"I know you Lane. Somewhere along the line, you had a crisis of faith. Human life didn’t matter anymore or maybe it never really did. Either way, you killed too many innocent people without ever asking: “Who’s giving the orders” or why. You blamed the system for what you are instead of yourself. You wanted revenge, but Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day. You needed help, you needed money, a lot of it and you’ll stop at nothing to get it."
Ethan Hunt to Solomon Lane, Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation

Should the part about "put you in a box go back in? I’m good either way.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#148696: Feb 11th 2019 at 1:07:39 AM

[tup] To Wilton, Gayson, and Vector

Say Vector is in the film adaptation of Aliya. I think Sanfranman has reserved that movie, though I haven’t heard anything from him for quite sometime. If he doesn’t respond who else wants to reserve that movie?

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#148697: Feb 11th 2019 at 1:10:49 AM

I want to but Lighty say he wants to look at it. Oh well...

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#148698: Feb 11th 2019 at 1:28:17 AM

[tup] Wilton, Gayson, and Vector

Edited by Mediawatcher on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:45:58 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#148699: Feb 11th 2019 at 1:30:06 AM

Cool. Well, [tup] to Vector, Gagyson and Wilton.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#148700: Feb 11th 2019 at 1:37:36 AM

Yeah, Vector's in the movie. Not saying anything yet but I'm waiting on word from Lighty.

And yeah, welcome, Cloister!

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 11th 2019 at 2:37:51 AM


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