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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148002: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:13:36 AM

So since Yglonic went well.

Quote suggestion

"You are marked as mine, as so many others are. In Italy, a man is plying a woman with drink to lay with her, and that is mine. In a prison in Russia, a man is forced by another prisoner. I am there for both of them again. I am there for every ravishment. It is mine, as you are mine! I am The Defiler, rapist of billions! I have taken worlds entire unto myself, savaged them until they begged with one voice for more! I have devoured and devoured until nothing remained save my own carnality. Join the revels you are meant to!"
Y'Glonic the Defiler, Only a Lonely Heart

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#148003: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:18:48 AM

[tup]Carmony and Y'gon

I hope that damage isn't too bad, Kazuya

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#148004: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:23:42 AM

Looks like Ygy goes between Krolock and Pijavica.

TheUnsquished Filthy Casual from A youngun between two oldies Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy Casual
#148005: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:31:23 AM

Well, here it is.

What's the story?

"Convict Commandos - Nemesis of the North" is about the Commando's need to stop the Nazis - led by General-Major Horst Keppler and virologist Alfonse Mahler in their attempt to get at a stock of lethal influenza stored on the Russian island of Smolenskya Ostrov. But the Nazis aren't the focus - it's about the creator of the influenza virus, Boris Fedevitch. He's shown in flashback courtesy of a story told to them by a Norwegian called Gunnar Narvik.

Who is he? What has he done?

Boris Fedevitch is a virologist specialising in strains of influenza. During the October Revolution, The Red Army send him to a ship carrying Russians fleeing from a newly-independant Finland. Some of the passengers were sick, perhaps from the Spanish Flu. Planning to execute him as a traitor, it made no odds to them if he died from influenza instead.
Taking blood samples, he finds that it's a more potent version of the Spanish Flu. Eventually everyone except Fedevitch is infected.
He's been taken the blood samples for a nefarious purpose. The Bolsheviks had slaughtered his family, so he was planning his revenge. By mixing the samples with other strains he had he wanted to create the most potent strain of influenza ever.
Gripped by madness, he worked until the drifting ship ran aground on Smolenskaya. He dragged the dying passengers and crew to a hut left by a scientific expedition and threw a vial of his new flu into it, telling himself it was an act of mercy.
An hour later, they were all dead, something he took great glee in. He planned to use his flu on the entirety of Russia. Polar bears eat the bodies and get a taste for human flesh. Jump to 1926. A contingent from a Russian destroyer arrive at Smolenskaya to formerly claim it. Lieutenant Gregori Karpov finds an exercise book filled with Fedevitch's notes, which mention that vials of the influenza are being kept in an ice cave. But Fedevitch is not far away. He throws one of his vials. Some of the landing party dies immediately, and the others have to escape ravenous polar bears. The crew start dropping like flies, leaving Karpov in charge. He makes a record in the ship's log, before succumbing himself.
The destroyer is found adrift by a Norwegian trawler. Onboard, the trawler's skipper finds the exercise book and realises he's probably doomed. As it happens, he survives, but the rest of his crew do not. He scuttles the trawler and disappears.
The name of the skipper was Jens Norvik, the uncle of the man telling the story.
The then-present day. The Nazis remove some snow to find a cave blocked by a wooden door. The first Nazi troopers to open the door get blasted by shards of metal - made from food tins.
Keppler and Mahler make their way into the cave proper. Entering another door, Mahler finds the vials. And they both discover the now-feral Fedevitch. Keppler manages to escape, but Mahler's not so lucky. Fedevitch carries the box of vials into the open cackling widely, he faces the Russians that are with the Commandos and declares their end. He hurls the box against some rocks before being blasted into oblivion.\\ He has the last laugh, though - his virus makes it to the Nazi's ship and wipes them out. Everyone else were given the antidote.

Mitigating Qualities?

We're told the Bosheviks murdered his family and this was probably what sent him off the deep end, plus his enforced isolation.

Conclusion?

He's probably not a keeper, but I said I'd do an EP anyway.

(Annoyed grunt)
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#148006: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:35:49 AM

Gonna have to [tdown] Boris. Sounds Nasty but his Freudian Excuse is a bit too large to ignore.

Edited by Kylotrope on Feb 6th 2019 at 11:36:24 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#148007: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:46:53 AM

Gotta say nay as well 'My family was murdered' being played sympathetically is a bit too much of an indication of Even Evil Has Loved Ones for me.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#148008: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:48:43 AM

Likewise. And soryr for all that, Kazuya...stay well

Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 6th 2019 at 2:49:43 PM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#148009: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:49:21 AM

Sorry to hear that Kazuya, hope you all pull through.

[tdown] Boris.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148010: Feb 6th 2019 at 11:52:29 AM

[tdown]Boris

Stay well kaz. Wishing you good luck.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheUnsquished Filthy Casual from A youngun between two oldies Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy Casual
#148011: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:00:07 PM

Fair enough.

(Annoyed grunt)
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#148012: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:00:21 PM

It's BORING, but [tdown].

IPP Wick Check created.
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#148015: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:19:54 PM

[tdown] Boris.

But, yeah, the short film I mentioned earlier was actually directed by Ari Aster who is known for his directorial debut of Hereditary, and after watching it a few times and asking around whether I should go into detail of it here, ultimately conflicted on it. Kind of leaning towards skipping it in all honesty.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#148016: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:23:28 PM

Also best of luck Kazuya.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#148017: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:23:37 PM

[tdown] Boris Fedevitch

"Soviets killed my family" is a valid Freudian Excuse.


Also, thanks everyone for their good wishes.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 6th 2019 at 3:25:05 PM

Watch me destroying my country
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#148018: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:26:25 PM

@Austin: I say just go for it as opposed to juggling it around your brain over and over. Worst that'll happen is the candidate gets down-voted.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#148020: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:35:21 PM

[tup] To everyone I missed except Boris. Also, I never knew that Lightysnake was a writer, cool.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#148022: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:41:20 PM

So how about my quote on Yglonnic (I can't seem to spell it right) ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#148023: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:41:53 PM

[tdown] to Boris

Also I just learned that our Clown-Face is a fellow online writer as well. I've actually read one of his Fan Fic's. It's called Date Night.

Edited by G-Editor on Feb 6th 2019 at 10:44:16 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#148024: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:43:06 PM

[tup] To everyone i missed except Boris. Things will get better, Kaz.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#148025: Feb 6th 2019 at 12:43:41 PM

I'm a biased source, but yes to the quote


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