During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
- Ilya Muromets: The Tugar Khan Kalin is a savage warlord who leads his forces to Rape, Pillage, and Burn through all Russia, massacring villages and killing countless innocent people. Tearing apart the lands until he comes to Kiev, Kalin intends on ruling the city by demanding tribute, while keeping his ferocious dragon, the Zmey, in reserve. When he learns of the city failing to pay tribute, Kalin intends on massacring Kiev and even builds a pyramid of dead corpses to observe an ensuing battle before unleashing the Zmey to burn all before it.
- The Last Siege: The evil king Istvan betrays and murders the family that took him in, having the old duke killed before his children, killing them and their mother, and then goes on to raise an army, rampaging across Europe, Istvan kills all who stand against him, often by having unscrupulous traitors open paths for his army, whereupon Istvan slaughters the nobility to add the armies to his own. Coming upon the heir to Lord Aedon, whom he had assassinated, the 11 year old Lady Cathryn, Istvan attempts to kill her along with her protector, his old friend Tomislav. Even threatening to have young Cathryn flayed before Tomislav's eyes, Istvan sacrifices countless soldiers of his own army for victory, caring for nothing save his victory and power.
- Nevsky: Hermann von Bolk, Grandmaster of the Teutonic Order, is a savage fanatic who ravages Russia. Killing many civilians, including the infamous Massacre of Pskov where he has his men slaughter hundreds of men, women and children. Von Bolk even has infants taken from their mothers and burned alive before crucifying many of his victimsas the punishment for being 'unbelievers' in his eyes. Intending on ravaging Novgorod, von Bolk leads his men to the Battle of the Ice, not content to stop until all of Russia burns before him.
- The Passage: Captain von Berkow is a devoted Nazi hunting the Basque and his charges. Capturing a French informer, von Berkow savagely tortures him before cutting off his fingers, cooking them in goulash and, it's implied, forcing him to eat them. Pursuing his targets to a Gypsy village, von Berkow captures and sexually assaults one target before burning the village leader alive and having the Gypsies massacred by his forces once he has the information he desires. Dedicated only to his advancement in the Nazi regime, von Berkow even considers those who lack his sadism to be failures, believing only he has the drive to rise higher.
- Blackbeard vs. the Evil Mummies: Sakhmet is a former Egyptian queen who has become the ruler of the evil mummies. Feeding on the souls of her victims, Sakhmet kills many people to join her legions, massacring the crew of a Turkish ship when they hold her sarcophagus and later targets Blackbeard's own crew. After killing many more people, Sakhmet possesses and kills Blackbeard's sister Mary before announcing her intentions of unleashing her armies on the world to reap and devour the souls of countless innocents until she reigns over what's left.
It's not completely unheard of for a candidate to get mostly yes votes, but then the troper decide not to do the write up for various reasons. I remember effort posting Tzimisce, Tzimisce Antediluvian, from Vampire: The Masquerade and getting mostly up votes from people before ultimately deciding to myself he didn't count due to conflicting origin stories giving him some moral agency issues.
It's certainly not common, and certainly not something I personally want to happen again.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Welp guys. Looks like this time I'm the one who found an unapproved example, and it barely tells jack shit. Here it is from Advance Wars Eternal War:
- Complete Monster: Jonathan, Knight Owl, Pink Queen, Wax and Shadow.
- Most characters are either this, or psychos, aside from Brown Desert.
Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jan 25th 2019 at 8:16:20 AM
Zero-Context Examples again? Burn them to the ground!🔥
Edited by 11111001011 on Jan 25th 2019 at 11:21:34 AM
Help me!Can we please not ask people to not vote on EPs? They're well within their rights if they want their opinion heard on something that was put out for people to read and judge on. I get these candidates are pretty well settled but I don't think it's fair to call a cut-off if we don't like the direction the results are going.
Since I have nothing to do... Here's a trimmed writeup of Kai from Parallel Paradise. Old writeup but removing some unnecessary details and add something to correlate with the new writeup. Thoughts?
- Parallel Paradise: Kai is an immortal bishop of the Black Dawn, a cult that worships the God of Deep Jealousy. Fueling her immortality by consuming human gallbladders, Kai has spent millennia treating the seaside city of Lille as her personal feeding ground, ambushing those foolish enough to walk the beach at night. In order to strengthen her hold on the city, she sealed the land-bound goddess of Lille under the ocean, breaking the key into thousands of pieces and holds the final piece in secret in order to mess with the daughter of said Goddess. At one point, she has cursed the sister of Pinako, one of Lille's guardians, in order to force Pinako into becoming both the mole in the city and her Sex Slave. Once the existence of both herself and the god she worships is revealed, Kai then slaughters any civilians who discovered the secret. Paralyzing the civilians with a spell, she meticulously stabs them through the chest before transforming into the monstrous Cetus in order to fight with Lumi and the other guardians. Beating them to within an inch of their lives, Kai offers to spare them in exchange for loyalty, only to try to kill the one who accepts her offer regardless.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 27th 2019 at 3:44:16 AM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Also, depotholing this entry because why not:
- Black Lagoon: In this Crapsack World, filled with terrible people, none manage to be quite as hateful—or fundamentally petty—as Chaka from the "Fujiyama Gangster Paradise" arc. A Yakuza lieutenant with a penchant for Domestic Abuse, Chaka makes his entrance beating up Rock in an effort to impress Revy. When the battle between the Yakuza and the Russian mob goes badly for the Yakuza, Chaka kidnaps and brutalizes Yukio, his boss's teenage daughter, beating her bloody, and planning to sell her to a sexual sadist as part of his plan to take control of the remnants of the Yakuza. When Revy and Ginji arrive to bail her out, Chaka shoots through his own men to try and get at them, kills another man for daring to try and run away, then runs away himself, leaving his men to be massacred. Childish, stupid, and completely out of his depth, Chaka manages to make an impression only through his complete lack of conscience, loyalty, or human decency.
Is this good enough for Chaka? iirc either Ambar or Lighty made the entry
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 27th 2019 at 3:56:59 AM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Btw here's another image proposal since I didn't do anything rn:
- Eduardo L. Foxx from Banana Fish: 1
, 2
- Cecilia
◊ from Murder Princess (anime)
- Kai
from Parallel Paradise
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 26th 2019 at 7:57:51 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Ok, I found Sebastian Caine from Hollow Man and Rico Dredd from Judge Dredd on the Tragic Villain page. Eliminate, since both are approved?
Edited by k410ren on Jan 26th 2019 at 10:40:13 AM
"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills

That's not really good. But if you decide to not write her up, that is your decision.