During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Ahuizotl.
Expanding on what G-Editor said, here are 2 great examples:
- Ego: Loved Meredith...but killed her—and not just quickly, but with cancer (why not quickly I don't know)—so he wouldn't be prevented from The Expansion/
- Torquemada: Seemed to love his wife...but had her committed to an insane asylum so she wouldn't interfere with his plans.
Ahuizoti,
Madam Shroob
About the discussion of love one validation, I would add that if it clearly shows the candidate stopped caring about the love one or still did horrible things to them despite the feeling of love it wouldn't mitigate him.
Ego is the best example of this, but if I should pick up from candidates of my own I would say Lucius (Before Lucius 3).
Lucius did love his mother and showed regret killing her, but he still did it with full intent and continued his murder spree despite that so while regretted doesn't remove the fact he did in his own volition. He's no longer a candidate with the latest development.
Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - GiselleI have what I think is a better image for Mr. Blonde
◊ from Reservoir Dogs
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 21st 2019 at 10:37:41 AM
Ahuizotl
Shroob
- The House That Jack Built: Jack is a sadistic Serial Killer who views killing as an art form and wants fame. His murders spanning over 12 years, Jack murders everyone from annoying strangers and police officers to even his girlfriend and best friend in increasingly brutal ways. Jack even kills children, gunning down two young boys in front of their mother before executing the woman herself. Racking up a bodycount of well over 60, Jack tries to use a World War II-grade bullet to kill 6 men at once, and, when lead down into Hell to suffer for his crimes, Jack refuses to accept his punishment and remorselessly attempts an escape.
Edited by AgeOfTropeEmpire on Jan 21st 2019 at 8:28:46 AM
Maybe This
◊ image is better.
His face might not be seen, but nor is that of christian szell in his image.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 21st 2019 at 11:55:21 AM
Chuck Wilson was the leader of the Futurians and the mastermind of, well, the entire movie’s plot. Paranoid about Japan becoming an economic superpower, Wilson hatches a mad plan to ensure this never happens. First, he takes a time machine along with his allies Glenchiko, Emi Kano, and a small army of androids. Then, he takes three genetically engineered creatures called Dorats with him to the past, in 1991. Convincing Japan’s government to aid him with lies about Godzilla, he has his lackeys travel to the past, and attempt to remove Godzilla from history. In short, they fail, but more on that in a moment. On his orders, Emi leaves the three Dorats behind, where they are hit by a nuclear explosion, absorbing the radiation and becoming forcibly fused together into the Heisei King Ghidorah. In the present day, Wilson takes control of King Ghidorah and directs it like a living WMD. It destroys an entire city and kills hundreds of people under his orders, before flying to Hokkaido next, killing everything in their path. Wilson finds Japan’s attempts at fighting back hilarious. Eventually, Japan has no choice but to bring Godzilla back, making Wilson indirectly responsible for all the evil Godzilla does in future movies. Wilson shows no remorse for all the lives he’s taken. He just gloats; either Ghidorah will destroy Japan, or Godzilla will do it for him.
Now that I'm back, here's an old writeup I never got around to posting.
For whoever runs into this post (Joko OP here) - I think I'm going to back out of this entirely, since this process seems to be a lot more complicated than it looks, and I'm getting increasingly self-conscious every time I fail to grasp one of these things. Specific format posts, writing these entries solo, doing that without leaving anything out, doing that without making the entry very long and unwieldy, and the forum itself being formatted in a way I can't help but find barely useable (why not something more like discussion pages, where same topics are kept together and it's easy to know when someone replies?)...it's definitely not worth it. Sticking to normal edits from now on.
(I hope this comes off as the embarrassed retreat it's meant to be rather than some kind of butthurt flouncing, but whatever happens happens.)
Maybe a revisit on Wilson is in order ? I'll admit to not watching the movie in over a decade but I don't see he's any more of a steryoptype than other Western Terrorists we've had on here.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."If I recall correctly, Ambar said something about propaganda. But I didn't really see how. But if we're going by this logic, wouln't a terrorist archetype villain be seen as "Anti X-Y and Z" propaganda ? For crying out loud we have at least two CMs that people compare to Trump.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
I'm assuming this is why most people were fine with up-voting Wilson.
Is there a link to Wilson's EP?
Also I'm finished with Season 1 of that show I was talking about the other day. Currently working on Season 2, although I may post an EP later today since the guy I plan on EPing has died. Apparently.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Jan 21st 2019 at 1:00:10 PM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Oh, yeah, the movie was Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, the 1990s movie.
It was ages ago, but he had a bunch of upvotes and one downvote. The consensus was that he was a bit of a stereotype, but had enough personality to count. On top of that he fits the heinous standard rule since he was far and away the worst of the human villains in the Heisei Godzilla movies.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jan 21st 2019 at 2:08:13 AM