During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
An ep from me. I'll do one more in a few days and write up my batch.
so what's the work?
'Sangue Serenissima is a supernatural horror story by Scraggle and Lightysnake, and officially the first entry in the crossover between The Never Mythos and The Kindness of Devils.''
In mid-1700s Venice, a member of a supernatural flock dedicated to giving a home to the anomalous and aberrant of supernatural society is murdered in an unprecedented fashion. Thirsty for retribution, the leader of the flock calls on the services of Eliza Cortly and Hardestadt Delac, and the three finds themselves in a plot to unearth knowledge from beyond the veil of the universe.
So who's the villain and what has he done?
Eliphas Coyte was born the son of a minister in Flor, Spain in the year 1602 before moving to Sherborne, England. Even as a young child, he was possessed of a desire for more. He wanted more knowledge and constantly craved to learn the mysteries of the world. He began to despise the idea of God itself to his minister fathers's disappointment. Deciding blind faith was a pointless idea eventually he came to the belief that it was only knowledge itself which was important. He broke from the faith and clergy and began studying the dark arts but not before he gave his father a visit whereupon he used a spell to ensnare him and had him eat his own hands and crush his own skull on the nearest wall.
He than began to worship a being known as the Eye, brought it to his hometown of Flor and had its gaze cast throughout the village (This is detailed in The Englishman). All the villagers were horrifically mutated and put through hideous Body Horror, transforming them into tools for his master the Eye. While there he came across Eliza and learned of the Seers (Special humans with powers). He attempted to capture her but she escaped.
Coyte than became fascinated by learning more about the Seers. Over the Years he became a sort of wandering follower. After abandoning the Eye, Coyte was constantly changing his allegiances and worship to various Dark Gods and monsters. Coyte would kidnap hundreds and have them horrifically experimented on, turning them into monstrosities, kidnapping children and killing them to study the grief of the mothers, dragging innocents to serve the orgies of the monstrous Defiler, among other depraved activities. Still he always felt unfulfilled and wanted more and hence would move onto the next and the next, showing no loyalty to his masters from the Mara, to Nyarlathotep himself, to Y'golonac the Defiler. Eventually he came to the service of The Masque, a being who could grant any wish for a price. Here he came up with perhaps his ultimate plan. Coyte would cannibalize several Seers, stealing their mental connection to The Remeditary ("The collective mental webs of all living beings"). After consuming their minds, it would empower him and allow him to consume the souls of everyone in Venice using the spell received from his master. He'd be able to achieve his wish : "I wish to become master of the Remeditary; to see all, feel all, know all, with not one thing that shall escape my mind." Coyte would become greater than a God: he would become something known as 'Neverkind.'
However there is a price to this. Should it be achieved, the impact of him gaining it will ripple across the Teraverse (All the various infinite worlds) and create a disaster. Several planes and entire worlds will be destroyed with the damage being unbelievably catastrophic. This is something Coyte knows about and does not care about as long as he gets his knowledge.
Coyte learned a way to replicate the feeding method of one of the Seer's predators, The Mind-Gutter, from the ancient world. This would allow him to bore into the skulls of seers, draining them of brain fluid and getting "high" off this before his preys' brains literally crumble to dust having literally everything taken away. A process which is of course absolutely horrific and agonizing to experience. The short story begins with him killing his latest prey, a Seer member of 'the flock' in Venice in the story's present day of 1757. This attracts the attention of Hardestadt and Eliza who come to investigate and meet up with the leader of the Flock, Adam, that said deceased member came from. While there, they are attacked by Coyte under the given alias of the "Thing in the patchwork cloak" for his style of dress to conceal his mutated, hideous form. It along with its monstrosities attack and capture several members who are taken to Coyte's manor for experiments or to be used as fuel by him. The flock retreats to a safehouse to gain well safety but Coyte follows them, slaughters many members of the flock and kidnaps a young child Seer named Julio that Eliza had trained and sees as a little brother. Giving her an ultimatum that if she wants to see him alive again, she will come to his manor. Upon warping back to his manor though? Coyte? Since he's a prick? Decides to kill the child anyway, draining him of his brain fluid and cranial nerves. A process which he had to endure for over thirty minutes before dying. Ouch...
So Coyte needs Eliza's brain fluid to complete his spell (I'm not totally sure whether he needed her in specific or whether he's such a dick that he figured he'd have the one who got away from him be the one to complete his spell). So Adam goes to said Manor and Adam finds Coyte's laboratory whereupon he discovers that Coyte is using the mutative power he's gained from capturing the Writhe (An Eldtrich Abomination creature which lives in the City Of Never). He has these people, mutilated and stitched together to become monstrous abominations which are in unending pain. He and Coyte engage before Coyte has him teleported to the City of Never and the home of the Writhe as he's afraid of what Adam will do to his mind when Adam invokes the mysterious Eye at him.
So after Adam is awhile, Eliza goes after him to help him. With Hardestadt following her afterwards. Upon entering the manor, he discovers the desecrated, mutated bodies of Coyte's victims, including an entire fall of corpses Coyte speaks through, and that Coyte has chained a piece of the city of Never in order to use its power. Whereupon he meets Hardestadt, he has him trapped within in along with Adam who's still there.
So Eliza comes through to the manor having bypassed his wards. She figures out his identity as Eliphas Coyte and In a Dickish move, he's kept young Julio's head there to mock her with it.
It also turns out that by chaining the Writhe to his manor Coyte has put the thing in immense pain, using it to enhance himself and using a magical connection in the form of what he calls the Marionette to harness its powers. Hardestadt meets with Adam who's here if you remember and they confront the Writhe. They're able to peer into its mind and show it that they're not its enemies and that its Coyte who it should go after instead for having put it through this pain.
So Elzia and Coyte confront each other with Coyte planning to consume her brain fluid to complete his spell to consume the souls of everyone in Venice to allow his ascension. Eliza though uses a spell to dissipate Coyte's connection to the Writhe allowing her to free Hardestadt and Adam trapped in the city of Never but not before Coyte is confronted by his former master Nyarlathotep who reveals how dead Coyte was the second he tried to leave him, but he was having too much fun watching the whole affair. Sent back to face Hardestadt and Adam, Coyte finally realizes Hardestadt is one of the Devils just before Hardestadt and Adam rip into him for a whole minute, trying to provoke Hardestadt into finishing him quickly, Coyte is suddenly seized by Adam and realizes in absolute horror what's about to happen. Despite his begging, Adam sends him back to his first master, the Eye, leaving Coyte's body an empty shell and Coyte to scream forever in eternal torture as the Eye claims its due.
Nah. Coyte has an interesting motivation. He's always desired more and felt unfulfilled even as he gained greater knowledge but this isn't redeeming. The thing with Coyte is that he always wants more, he's never satisfied and constantly seeks to go higher, manifesting in a selfish desire to get what he wants no matter who gets in the way. It's more a reflection of his narcissism and his need to be on top, with no regard for anyone or anything else.
Other redeeming qualities?
Nope. None that I can see. The dude even murdered his father without remorse. He has no loyalty to any of beings he serves and is willingly to leave them when it suits his purposes.
Heinous Standard?
I'd say pass. Coyte has killed hundreds of people in horrific ways, put them through horrific agony and plans to consume the souls of the thousands of Venice to deify himself. Despite the fact that would destroy entire planes and worlds. Something he's aware of but doesn't care in the slightest despite being fully informed of the consequence. So even with who we already have from both Never Mythos and Kidness of Devils I'd say he passes.
Conclusion
Hes an
from me. How about you ?
Edited by miraculous on Jan 17th 2019 at 11:55:53 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Coyte.
BTW, a remake for The Hunchback Of Notre Dame was recently announced (Ugh).
Anyone interested in tackling that?
Why so serious?Just deleted a ZCE on YMMV.The Peculiar. It consisted of one word: Lickerish. Anyone familiar with this novel?
(Annoyed grunt)

That guy sounds nasty. Does anyone else think he keeps (even if this entry wasn't approved)?
Help me!