During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Kai!
BTW here's this from We Are Our Author Avatars:
- Complete Monster: The Emperor in Greekverse. Jesadi in Futureverse. Damien Shine in Noirverse. Savanti Lupine in any verse. Halbey in Horroverse, being an Expy of Kyubey. Dave in Horrorverse.
Were any of these guys approved? If not, who put them here? I wish to PM them to get them to join the thread.
Help me!
Kai.
In other news; slightly off topic but may have to do with future discussions but online reviews on You Tube are a helluva thing aren't they ?
Today Linkara from Atop the Fourth Wall got a Hellraiser candidate on my mind, but so far I can't find the comic he reviewed. Incidentally searching for it is also how I discovered that there was a Sherlock Holmes crossover.
And this other guy Wolf Entertainment (a guy I kinda suspect is one of us) has brought back The Haunting Hour to my attention with his analytical reviews and I have one or two villains I may revisit. Although with one of them I suspect he may be reading into something that's not there (rape elements). That there when there's pedophile house as the villain of one episode. Y'know for a show that "might be too scary for children under seven".
Edited by Beast on Jan 16th 2019 at 6:19:23 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."Oh, Scraggle, for Wolfsangel, does Sociopathic Soldier work around his name?
EDIT: I'll read the effortpost tomorrow. Who's the Alucard expy?
Edited by ACW on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:24:19 AM
@ACW The Unknown Man....
Really, I wanted to do an Re-EP on Brynhildr C Ms to see if their mitigating factors hold up. I didnt even cover the work of the same person who made Elfen Lied. My name is ironic isnt it? ._.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:28:06 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."@Lightysnake Felicia Rand Phillistine from The Legend of Maian. Wanna jot my name on that manga too btw. From the same mangaka who made Freezing.
I need to read the manga first before do a Re-EP
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 16th 2019 at 7:33:41 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Just to double-check (I haven't done this in so long), how many thumbs do I need to make a post for Kai? So far I count four: Lighty, 11111001011, Beast and Elfen Lied Fan.
On a different note, should she go up I have another image for the page involving her. Don't worry, it's nothing NSFW...besides the copius gore, I mean.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/406359/18
Edit: And bullman makes 5. I'll start working on her entry shortly: it's getting late and I need to be ready for work tomorrow.
Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Jan 16th 2019 at 4:40:57 AM
I don't wish to sound pushy or anything, but I want to know if the entries I found from We Are Our Author Avatars were approved (although I suspect they were not).
Help me!@11 Yeah... Cut it burn it salt the earth.
P.S. just let me do an Re-EP on both Takachiko and Onodera from Brynhildr and I want to do this alone. Because I really need to read more Lynn Okamoto's works and my name is still on an ironic side.
Heck I would jot my name for Parallel Paradise because of this.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 16th 2019 at 8:12:34 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

I would like to throw my hat in the ring and nominate a Complete Monster from the trashy-yet-remarkably-engaging manga Parallel Paradise.
Who Is She?
Well, here's a bit of backstory: Parallel Paradise by Lynn Okamoto (yup, the Elfen Lied guy) is about a boy named Youta Tada who was thrown (through a window on the third floor of his school) into a parallel fantasy world populated entirely by beautiful young girls. He learns two things: one, he's a Living Aphrodisiac to these girls, and two, the reason it's nothing but young girls is because of the God of Deep Jealousy. Said god cursed the world 3000 years before, exterminating all men and condemning the women to die when they turn 20. While mating with the girls can break the curse on the individual, Youta is so disgusted by the nature of this world that he vows to kill the God of Deep Jealousy and break the curse on everyone. Together with a paladin named Lumi, he follows a lead to the seaside town of Lille, home of sandy beaches, warm weather, pretty girls in bikinis, delicious seafood...
AND A DERANGED, EVIL BITCH NAMED KAI.
What Has She Done?
No evil god would be complete without a cult, and Kai is a bishop in it. In fact, she's been that way for thousands of years, having been granted immortality by her patron deity. Said immortality happens to be fueled by human gallbladders, something Kai is all-too-eager to consume, and she's spent the last couple of millennia preying on the citizens of Lille, ambushing those foolish enough to walk the beach at night. But this is only the beginning of her list of atrocities: cursing the sister of one of Lille's guardians, Pinako, she manipulates said guardian into being her mole/sex slave, taking sadistic delight in routinely debasing the poor girl, and attempting to force her to sell Youta out after she learns of his presence. But she didn't stop there, oh no: in order to further strengthen her hold on the city, she sealed the land-bound goddess of Lille beneath the ocean, shattered the key (a crystal ball) into thousands of pieces and spread them all over the beach for the goddess's daughter Noa to hunt down. Noa spends centuries combing the beach, digging until her hands bleed, unaware that even if she manages to find all the pieces on the beach, Kai has the last one. There's no real stated reason for her to set up this scavenger hunt except to mess with poor Noa.
It comes to a head when Kai attempts to kill Youta and those who know about him in order to keep her existence and the existence of the God of Deep jealousy a secret: she paralyzes most of the girls with a spell and meticulously stabs them though the chest one after the other. Once Lumi and the girls who managed to escape her spell launch a counterattack, Kai reveals another gift the God of Deep Jealousy bestowed on her: the ability to transform into the monstrous, hideous sea-beast Cetus. Cetus brutalizes Lumi and the others and lands a fatal blow on Youta, taunting them with the prospect of sparing them if they swear loyalty to her before attempting to kill the one who took her up on her offer anyway.
Luckily, Youta makes his reappearance: dying had sent him back to Earth, and though he was stuck in a hospital bed after his fall from the third floor, he managed to learn via internet what Cetus's weakness was by researching mythology: sunlight. He manages to keep Kai pinned with constant attacks, preventing her from running away as the sun rose. Sure enough, Kai turns to stone and crumbles into dust as the sun comes up to vanquish the horrible witch.
And that's the end of Kai: she goes out cursing the heroes and threatening to eat them before panicking and begging the God of Deep Jealousy to help her.
Mitigating Factors?
Nope, nope, and even more nope. Kai's a remorseless, sadistic rapist cannibal with absolutely nothing good to say about her.
Generic Doomsday Villain Issues?
Nope: she's a power hungry, sadistic zealot who delights in the gifts her patron god has granted her, and uses them to do whatever she wants to whoever she wants whenever she wants.
Heinous Standard Issues?
There's an evil god who enacted a genocidal death curse on humanity, but we know next to nothing about him: he's sleeping beneath these ruins and he has been for the past few thousand years, meaning Kai did all of this of her own accord. Recent chapters have mentioned another follower of the God of Deep Jealousy who's apparently even worse than Kai, but even if she is that doesn't diminish how freakin' evil she is.
Final Verdict?
Something tells me a certain unnamed Alucard-expy from one of Okamoto's earlier works and this wretched little scab would get along just swell. F*ck you, Kai.
Edited by krimzonflygon2 on Jan 16th 2019 at 4:20:41 AM