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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#144101: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:01:20 AM

I would like to propose a quote but I am not sure how to do one.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 14th 2019 at 2:05:39 PM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144102: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:10:05 AM

[up]Here Text Formatting Rules . This is a guide on how to do that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#144103: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:18:29 AM

[tup] to Ironbeak and Egon

[tdown] to the Controller

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#144104: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:33:52 AM

Or just put the quote and it's source, and I can format it.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#144105: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:39:32 AM

Well here it is. This is a quote of Margo mocking Tori after the mind controling spell is put on Jade.

"I'll take your place as her mate and she'll be made to love me. Don't worry about Fiona and the girls, I'll take special care of them. They'll be raised exclusively on human flesh. In time they will crave it, as I do. I ate my first human at the age of 16 and have loved the taste of human flesh ever since."

Margo to Tori , Revenge of the Wolf

Edited by Bullman on Jan 14th 2019 at 3:43:19 PM

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lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#144107: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:48:40 PM

What is the work?

Monster Chronicles is a Total Drama Dark Fic series starting around the midway point of Total Drama World Tour, in which a serial killer who uses black magic named Cedric von Túfeice sneaks aboard the plane after six years in hiding and begins to hunt for fresh victims. However there proves to be much more to story as several contestants have met Cedric in the past. Now the race is on for the contestants to somehow get Cedric back into custody while dealing with the fact they've gone from contestants to hostages.

The first story in the series is called Voodoo's Disciple, while the second is called Malevolence. A spinoff series, Voodoo's Disciple: Peanut Gallery depicts the Peanut Gallery dealing with the chaos on air.

Who is he?, What does he do?

Cedric von Túfeice is an undead witch demon who practices vodoo and witchcraft who wears a top hat with a 10/6 card on it. In life he was a child in California growing up with an abusive mother.

When he was sixteen he started smoking.  One day while he was smoking he noticed an empty coke bottle along with an ant hill.....so he decided it would be interesting to put the ashes of the cigarette into the bottle. He then looked on in glee as the ants choked on the smoke.

That is when the thought came into his head that he could make the same way with the same lovely anarchy. Seeing his mother as an obstacle to his plans, he shot and killed her.

He then became the Zodiac Killer. He used dyes and paints to change his appearance so no one would catch him.

Planning to shoot the tire of a school bus just to see the kids run for their lives, however he was stopped by Mr. White's divine intervention, which had the bus come earlier than expected. The bus ended up running him over and killing him.

Upon arriving in the afterlife, Cedric was trialed by Council of the Heavens, and was sent straight to Hell.

While there he met Baron Samedi. Striking up a conversation with him, he came to an ultimatum with Cedric. He would loan Cedric his veve talisman, and the power of voodoo in general, as long as he did a favor for him on planet of Earth. Cedric agreed and got intentionally banished from Hell and back onto Earth, where his soul was sealed into a Coke bottle.

A 12 year old Cody found Cedric in the basement of his attic trapped in the Coke bottle. Upon the two becoming friends, Cedric eventually convinced Cody to let him temporarily take over his body in order to fend off some students that were bullying him.

Unbeknownst to Cody, Cedric was committing murders while using his body. Over the course of four weeks he killed 23 people and left a 10/6 Calling Card by their corpses, earning him the moniker of the Mad Hatter Killer.

Cedric had killed a pregnant woman ( who is revealed to be Tyler's mother and unborn sister) and shoved her body into Mr. Grillby's freezer in an attempt to frame him.

Two months later, Cedric upped his kill count under the moniker pf the Mad Hatter Killer, gaining a body count of 75 victims. Making him the most prolific serial killer in Canadian history.

Cody finding a breakthrough in his investigation of the Mad Hatter Killer. He heard from a rumor in school that traffic cameras had caught a brief glimpse of the Mad Hatter Killer as he led away his most recent victim. As a result of this, Cody looked them up the second he got home.

The person in the photo was about his age, with sunglasses covering their eyes and an innocent look on their face. But that wasn't what disturbed him. It was the fact that they had messy brown hair, a cane topped with a red gem with a hidden compartment, a large sharp smile, a wool collar coat, and a silk top hat with a 10/6 card stuck in its rim.

Also figuring out the time's of the Mad Hatter Killer's murders correspond with when he let Cedric use his body. Cody figured out that Cedric was the Mad Hatter Killer.

Upon confronting him, Cedric froze Cody and left him inside his mind while Cedric continued his killing spree inside Cody's body.

Upon killing 89 people, Cedric/the Mad Hatter Killer turned himself in. He was sent to Juvie where he was the top enforcer of Micheal 'Mal' Doran's gang.

After a bit of a conflict, Cedric killed all the members of the Sabertooth Brother gang.

When a slightly older boy tries to threaten Mal. Mal has Cedric kill him, along with a guard who was trying to stop them.

The number of inmates in the class soon dropped from 27 to only 9. It was assumed that they all escaped but it had became apparent that Mal and Cedric had killed them.

When Frank found out that Cedric was the Mad Hatter Killer. Cedric killed Frank and burned his body. When Preston tried to stamd up to him and Mal. Cedric killed Preston on Mal's command.

Upon witnessing Preston's murder. Duncan tried to run away but Cedric and Mal caught him, and they tried to kill him before the SWAT team showed up.

They got Cedric to confess to murdering the nineteen inmates, as it was also discovered that with the exception of Preston, Cedric burned all their bodies after killing them and consumed their souls. They locked up Mal separate from the rest of the prisoners till his actual personality came back. Now they keep the lunatics locked up separately. The last thing I remembered of Cedric was them transferring him to America while he screamed like a lunatic. I thought he was locked up all this time. Never learned he broke out during the transfer.

Cedric was however relieved by this turn of events. As he planned to break out of the American prison and make it to Louisiana to complete his plan.

The policemen sealed Cedric inside a box, where he encountered Cody again. Who was defrost. Cody was able to seal Cedric up inside his mind after he used his telekinesis to repel the Seven Deadly Sin Seal that Cedric tried to hit Cody with.

In the present day, Cedric was released midway during World Tour due to Cody not having the proper time to concentrate on keeping him at bay due to Sierra's constant stalking of him, as well as Sierra, Duncan, Gwen, Courtney, Alejandro, Heather and Owen each committing the seven deadly sins.

One night while Chef was inspecting the plane. Cedric sneaks up behind him and attacks him. He stuffs Chef inside the plane luggage and wonders off.

Upon the producers discovering that the Mad Hatter Killer is on the plane, they call Black Opps Soldiers to dispose of him. Cedric kills the whole unit and covers his tracks he uses his vodoo to make a body double of himself and leaves it bisected in the entrance of one of the plane wings to make it look like a suicide.

He then uses Cody's body after sealing the real Cody's soul inside a potato battery.

During the Area 51 challenge when it looked like Team Chris is Really, Really, Really, Really Hot were going to win the challenge. Cedric memories the hypnotic spell Alejandro used to make Owen to do the running man dance and song and uses it causing Team Chris to lose and Owen's elimination.

Upon Cedric (as Cody) being mocked by Chris. Cedric pulled a prank on him by knocking the umbrella he was using to get a tan causing one side of his body to get a sunburn and he wrote on the sunburn

"I like to wear women's clothing, and have a small weiner"

When it looked like Cedric was about to be eliminated, Cedric wrecked Chris' private lounge on the plane, and framed Alejandro for it causing Chris to eliminate him on the spot.

Cedric (as Cody) escorted Alejandro to the exit of the plane. He then revealed his true identity to Alejandro. Alejandro attacked Cedric, however he was over powered and Cedric tortures him to death. He then consumes Alejandro's soul and tosses Al's lifeless body off the plane.

Duncan witnesses this but Cedric blackmails Duncan into not revealing his true identity or that he killed Al with an embarrassing tape of Duncan.

During the Niagara Fall challenge he has a waiter pour him amd his "buddy" Duncan two glasses of non alcholic drinks. When the waiter asks for his tip, Cedric shoves him over a waterfall and takes his soul out.

When Sierra confuses his accent for an Australian (it is actually British), he brainwashes Gwen and Courtney into voting against Sierra at the elimination ceremony, causing Sierra's elimination.

To prevent budget issues and lawsuits Chris sends the Chinese Interpol to execute Cedric. However, Cedric murders all but one of them.

Duncan finally stands up to Cedric, which he retaliates by attempting to kill him. Gwen and Courtney witness which outs his true identity as the Mad Hatter Killer to everyone.

Tyler recalling Cedric as the one who killed his mother and unborn sister attacks Cedric but gets beaten up. When Gwen tries to save the beaten up Tyler, Cedric brainwashes Ezekiel and has him capture Tyler. Chef however saves them.

Courtney soon afterward attacks Cedric but he breaks her leg, causing Chris to eliminate Courtney from the competition due to injury.

When Gwen finds the immunity idol, Cedric steals it from her and uses it to eliminate her.

Eventually, Duncan and Tyler managed to set Cody free and they eliminate him. With Cedric on the loose he stowes away on the plane and waits for it to land in New Orleans which is where the finale will be held, as there is a tapestry there made by Baron Samedi self which Cedric created his veve on. It contains some of the largest amount of black magic on the planet. It links directly to the loa, even while he's in hell. If it's combined with the talisman Cedric got from him, he would use it to open a white hole on the surface of the planet

Which will lead straight to hell, where he will use his shadow loa to possess every other demon that comes through. Including Lucifer himself. Which will obviously throw the world into utter chaos.

Outside the borders of New Orleans, Louisiana, a large line of defense with both the National Guard and RCM Ps waited for Cedric to appear and mount his assault on the olden city. Knowing how powerful the demon had become in the past five days, both Canada and the United States wasted no resources in making sure they could fight back, with massive tanks and rocket launchers facing the outskirts of the city.

Further into the outskirts of New Orleans, a figure sang and danced as he got closer and closer to the border. As he got closer to the blockade, it was clearly Cedric.

They launched a storm of bullets at Cedric. Cedric wasn't fazed by this, as he simply used his telekinesis to stop all the bullets heading towards him. He then sent them flying back into the heads of the soldiers, killing hundreds of them at once. Before the could react, Cedric sped into the gap left by the soldiers he'd slaughtered and sent both frost and fire out from his palms, cooking or freezing whowhoever was unfortunate enough to be in the line of fire.

However while his back was turned, the captain got into a tank and aimed at the back of his head. Right before projectile could make impact, Cedric turned around to suddenly catch it and pitch it back, causing it to explode and damage the blockade even more.

Cedric was eventually dragged to Hell by a black mask. Which also revived the souls that were consumed by Cedric.

Two years later, in the sequel fanfic Malevolence. Cedric is back, and allied with the former head honcho of Juvie Mal Doram as the main villain of All Stars.

Freudian Excuse?

Cedric didn't know his father and had an abusive mother who forced him to wear dresses to entertain her friends and fed him the bare minimum she could. However none of this really played a part in his goals or motives. After he killed the ant colony he just thought it would be fun to see how humans would react to being tortured and killed.

"Mitigating Factors?'

It is a Dark Fic with gore, decapitation, cursing, etc. Dark stuff like that, that wouldn't be in the canon TD but it is definitely plot heavy and isn't dark for the sake of being dark. The dark elements are there to expand the story and character backgrounds.

It starts out much like canon, as a comedy before Cedric shows up as a Knight of Cerebus gradually turning it into a mature supernatural horror that branches off from canon and becomes it's own story.

Generic Doomsday Villain?

Nope. Not at all. Cedric is heavily fleshed out over the course of the series. He's sadistic, Faux Affably Evil, petty (especially if you push one of his Berserk Buttons like knocking down his top hat or calling him an Aussie), manipulative and very intelligent.

Heinous Standard?

Blows past it at the speed of light. By the time the series ends he has a body count in the 300s, and his ultimate goal was to throw the world into utter chaos with the opening of the white void.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#144108: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:54:59 PM

Read Beautiful Darkness. Wwhile being the worst and having a clear God Save Us from the Queen!, the Princess is...rigth up in the high heinous standard, this is a clear everyone is a asshole type of stories and while she is the worst, I don't think for much.

She does kill a deformed fairy For the Evulz while abandoning her baby, she forces her prince to go to a suicidal mission out of pettiness and she kills a fairy escaping for her tyranny, when she discover that the protagonic fairy had a nice room, she starts to think in ways to punish her...before she is locked for her alongside her subjects and all of them are doomed to be burned alive.

This is a dark story where many fairies are killed for their own stupidity and ignorance of nature and where our initially kindhearted protagonist ends up blinding, killing and eating her rat friend. That without the whole "killing all surviving fairies so she can live a peaceful life in her new nest"

Watch me destroying my country
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144109: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:03:55 PM

Huh does God Save Us from the Queen! work for princesses. I though you should use The Evil Princess instead.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#144110: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:30:21 PM

Hey guys Username Just EP'd somebody we shouldn't ignore his post

[tup] to Cedric. How's the work by the way?

Edited by G-Editor on Jan 13th 2019 at 11:30:33 PM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#144111: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:32:28 PM

Yes to Cedric. Also any opinions on my quote.

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Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#144112: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:37:45 PM

[tup] To Cedric

Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:39:17 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144113: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:38:20 PM

[tup]Cedric

Whoops my bad. Sorry User

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#144114: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:51:29 PM

Anyway to trim that effortpost any?

Yes to the quote.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#144117: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:12:16 PM

@G-Editor: The fanfic is terrific. I liked canon World Tour but Voodoo's Disciple I think is better.

@ACW: Yeah the EP is long but I want to make sure I got everything. His rapsheet is massive.

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Lizzid people!
#144118: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:16:18 PM

Hmm....I'll read Cedric later.

11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#144119: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:18:08 PM

A Zero-Context Example from That Girl In Yellow Boots:

  • Complete Monster: Lynn/Benjamin Patel who has absolutely no remorse that he got his 15 year old stepdaughter pregnant and due to which she committed suicide. Instead he blames the poor kid's mother for no reason.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#144120: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:18:42 PM

Cut it. Seems like an asshole, but not quite a CM.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#144121: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:38:50 PM

I found this unapprovedentry on Beyblade Zero G

  • Complete Monster: Doji is already a pretty vile character in the first season and the third season but in this season, he's ramped up his evilness to a whole different level to the point where he's completely irredeemable. He's always been a manipulative, remorseless man who only cares for himself and would convince his own henchmen that they would become stronger bladers under his control but would only use them or put them aside just to make his top blader stronger. This continues here, only this time he's become very vengeful towards his enemies and has no problem trying to kill them himself (twice) when Kira wouldn't do it himself. It doesn't help that he has no problem with putting his own organisation into the same level of danger as the heroes which was evidenced when he had no problem with Kira assaulting his own team and was willing to allow the headquarters of DNA to collapse which would result in everyone dying as a result, just so he could take the last word. He's by far one of the most evil villains in the series, not only in the Metal Saga but in the entire franchise.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#144123: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:47:57 PM

Sounds worth a discussion

Things are really about to get Fun around here
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#144124: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:50:23 PM

I found this in The Pillars of Reality—and holy smoke! It's terrible!

  • Complete Monster: Almost every Mage is this. They're taught that nothing is real and that any physical needs are best addressed and forgotten about. Any instance of compassion or trust in others or friendship is ruthlessly beaten out of young acolytes. As a result, mages don't even think twice about victimizing commons by hurting them, stealing from them, raping them, or using them as forced labor. Most commons are terrified of Mages as a result.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#144125: Jan 14th 2019 at 2:51:16 PM

Oy, burn that and bury the ashes.


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