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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#142376: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:15:22 PM

[up] Yeah, I was gonna do that. Actually, it'll be Dark Souls I & The Age of Fire

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#142377: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:16:22 PM

[tup]Traigon.

Why so serious?
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#142379: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:31:45 PM

Here's the tree with Tyanna:

The World of Ice & Fire; Archmaester Gyldayn's Histories; Fire & Blood

  • King Maegor I Targaryen, the third King of the Seven Kingdoms, was better known as Maegor The Cruel, and was the ancestor to both Aerys II and Joffrey. He usurped the throne from his nephew and promptly decapitated the one Archmaester who protested. As king, Maegor turned to brutal tactics to suppress the Faith of the Seven, even riding on his dragon Balerion to burn down a Sept with all worshippers inside, using archers to pick off stragglers. Maegor proceeded to commit massacre after massacre, even passing off the skulls of poor smallfolk in the wrong place at the wrong time as members of the Faith's warriors. Worse still was Maegor's attitudes towards family: Maegor killed his own nephew in combat, and then had his second nephew captured and tortured to death. When one of his wives gave birth to a "stillborn monstrosity," Maegor had her, everyone at the birth, and her entire family executed. When his favorite wife, Tyanna of the Tower, revealed she'd poisoned said wife from jealousy, causing the monstrosity, Maegor cut her heart out and gave it to the dogs. Obsessed with having an heir, Maegor forcibly married three women, including his own niece. After having the Red Keep constructed, Maegor also had the builders massacred to keep its secrets to himself. Monstrous, brutal, violent and cruel, Maegor's excesses drove all Westeros to unite against him behind his only surviving nephew, Jaehaerys, and Maegor is remembered to the present day as one of the greatest examples of an evil King.
  • The aforementioned Queen Tyanna of the Tower is the third wife of the aforementioned Maegor the Cruel. A former Pentoshi courtesan rumored to dabble in alchemy and sorcery, Tyanna served as Maegor's chief spy, plotting the deaths of thousands for Maegor. When Maegor's nephews rebelled, Tyanna personally tortured Prince Viserys for nine days before he expired, with many, many more innocents dying in agony at her hands. Tyanna would poison Maegor's other wives to ensure they birthed only stillborn monstrosities, including Queen Alys Harroway, who Tyanna herself tortured to death while dozens of Alys's suspected lovers died, along with Alys's entire House. Justly feared and despised during Maegor's reign, Tyanna was one of the few who could rival her husband for wickedness and sadism.
  • The Princess and the Queen, or, the Blacks and the Greens: "Hard" Hugh Hammer and Ser Ulf the White, known as "The Betrayers", are "Dragonseeds," descendants of Targaryen bastards, who successfully tame dragons and are recruited into the forces of Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen. During the battle of Tumbleton, however, they reveal their true colors: defecting to Aegon II's side, the two attack Tumbleton with their dragons, scorching the town from end to end with their flames and killing all those caught up in the conflagration, with thousands of refugees burning or drowning in the river Mander. The soldiers who surrender are promptly beheaded and the two brutally sack the town, with people killed and women raped, including girls as young as eight and ten years old. Following the sack, they set themselves as tyrants over Tumbleton. Women who fail to please Ulf are given to his dragon. Ulf demands the rulership of Highgarden for his service while Hugh demands his own crown. When one knight is so incensed he knocks Hugh's self-made crown off, Hugh has three horseshoes nailed to his head. The two are so vile that a secret conspiracy between the two sides is formed for the sole purpose of eliminating them during the war. Even in the brutal Dance of the Dragons, these two exemplify why bastards are often seen as villains in Westeros.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#142380: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:31:51 PM

[tup] Traigon. Get better, Lighty.

It's Spooky Month!
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#142381: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:31:56 PM

Sure to Traigon. I hope you get better soon Lighty.

Speaking of VW.... Ummmm not gonna lie that I actually used that website for my future CM EP drafts actually via blogpost and have like 3 of them right now waiting for the time to come. Unless if you want me to bring one of them, sure, I'll appreciate the hospitality tyvm. :eyes:

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#142382: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:39:10 PM

Let's just not bring up Villains Wiki again. The website has nothing to do with us.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#142383: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:39:38 PM

We shouldn't be giving Halloween its own page. Over two thirds of the page are going to be entries for a single character.

Yea to Traigon, too.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:40:40 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#142384: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:40:43 PM

[up] I've given that up. Now that we can quadruple-indent, I'm able to just do the tree.

Here's Anti-Monitor. This one was tricky, as there were several good potholes that I didn't like as much as the 5 here (Omnicidal Maniac, Big Bad, mentioning Sinestro Corps War).

Crisis on Infinite Earths

  • The Anti-Monitor is a being of the Anti-Matter universe. Seeking to dominate existence, the Anti-Monitor strengthens his universe by wiping out all others, annihilating thousands of universes and all their inhabitants from existence. With only 5 universes remaining, the Anti-Matter uses Psycho Pirate to crush the minds of countless beings to force them to turn on one another, before trying to exterminate the final universes. Defeated by the Heroic Sacrifice of Barry Allen, the Anti-Monitor drains the lives of millions of worlds in the Anti-Matter universe, killing all there. Causing the universes to merge into a single one, the Anti-Monitor unleashes his forces to wipe out humanity and earth, intending on rebuilding everything in his own twisted image.

Edited by ACW on Jan 2nd 2019 at 4:45:31 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#142385: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:45:11 PM

And here's what's pending (minus Traigon and Scraggles's stuff):

I feel like we also had a Fanfic of Cinder Fall.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#142386: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:46:08 PM

The film noir one.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#142387: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:47:34 PM

Beast gave me permission to do a Charachter from Spiderman into the spiderverse. I'll do so after I'm done with Underverse.(I realize that both involve A Us and have verse in the title Hm)

Things are really about to get Fun around here
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#142388: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:50:40 PM

It seems Conan will never be short of these creeps in his Rogues Gallery. [tup] Traigon.

Help me!
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#142389: Jan 2nd 2019 at 1:55:39 PM

[up] Except Traigon is not from Conan.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#142390: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:04:39 PM

[up][up]uh.....It's a Conan Rip-off. Not an actual Conan film

Though speaking of an actual member of Conan's Rogues Gallery. I found two quotes from Xaltotun

"When we employed the Heart of Ahriman to bring a dead man back to life, we did not weigh the consequences of tampering in the black dust of the past. We thought only of our ambitions, forgetting what ambitions this man might himself have. And we have loosed a demon upon the Earth, a fiend inexplicable to common humanity. I have plumbed deep in evil, but there is a limit to which I, or any man of my race and age, can go. My ancestors were clean men, without any demoniacal taint; it is only I who have sunk into the pits, and I can sin only to the extent of my personal individuality. But behind Xaltotun lie a thousand centuries of black magic and diabolism, an ancient tradition of evil. He is beyond our conception, not only because he is a wizard himself, but also because he is the son of a race of wizards".
Orastes on Xaltotun of Python, The Hour of the Dragon

And in the last conclave to which I accompanied him, understanding came to me at last, while the drums beat and the beast worshippers howled with their heads in the dust. I tell you he would restore Acheron with his magic, by the sorcery of a gigantic blood sacrifice such as the world has never seen. He would enslave the world, and with a deluge of blood wash away the present and restore the past."''
Orastes on Xaltotun of Python, ''The Hour of the Dragon

Edited by miraculous on Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:21:22 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#142392: Jan 2nd 2019 at 2:49:33 PM

Guess I must have misread something there.

Help me!
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#142393: Jan 2nd 2019 at 3:01:40 PM

[tup]Traigon. Hope you feel better, Lighty.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#142397: Jan 2nd 2019 at 4:59:22 PM

Well the Underverse candidates EP is done. I'll post it here as soon as I get back from the beach.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#142398: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:02:18 PM

Were you still going to do Bendy? I seem to recall you saying you'd consider after Alice Angel was suggested.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#142399: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:20:47 PM

To ACW: What about the Beldr from the Manga adaptation of Devil Survivor.

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#142400: Jan 2nd 2019 at 5:22:20 PM

That's been written up and is with this week's batch.


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