During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Oh right! I also put Elexis Sinclaire and Ikki Tousen baddies on my honorable mention of the favorite CM E Ps that I saw. Thanks Jackie for putting them up even though I kind of wanting to do her first but oh well. Another one would be that April Fools EP that I did :P Put a lot of effort on creating some creative story on a joke EP but yeah... Think it's at best not to bring it. Dakki is also on the honorable mention because without her, I won't binge in Houshin Engi and made my current story
Anyways, for backing the thread on topic, I'll do an example from an anime that I watched soon enough. I'm unsure on this character, but I'll try to make a case on her.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 1st 2019 at 12:13:06 AM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Also, let me just add that this year? Quite important to me, given how many of my personal villains went up (with thanks to Scraggle, Tyk and Jackie for their awesome work)...it's also the year Scraggle and I created the freaking Valiant Monster page after tons of research, so that's a big one...other favorites? Absolutely the Heaven Cycle baddies, especially Naberius and Pluto, among a damn many others.
I'm good here, Fried!. No to Geiger and Black Hat. The Vilgefortz entry? Eh, fine, but I don't really think he distinction is necessary on Eredin. So he didn't kill every world with his own two hands and used his men? Distinction Without a Difference here.
Now, my new years post...
What's the work?
ow, someone noticed the DC multiverse...had grown too big. So in the 1980s, Marv Wolfman and artist George Perez were contracted to bring it all together. The result? Worlds lived. Worlds died. And nothing was ever the same again. And the one behind it all? Enter...the Anti-Monitor.
Who is the Anti-Monitor?
Calling himself 'The Monitor,' an Evil Counterpart to the good Monitor, the Anti-monitor was born 10 billion years ago when the evil Oan Guardian Krona, at the dawn of creation, gazed into the void and caused the rupture that created the Multiverse....but not only was a the positive universe formed, a second universe compromised of anti-matter was as well. The Monitor was created at the same time his Evil Twin was, the Anti-Monitor. The two found one another and battled, rendering both into a coma....the Anti-Monitor lay dormant upon his home world of Qward until a scientist from one world accidentally delved too deeply into anti-matter and the Anti-Monitor freed himself. The scientist, known as Pariah, was rewarded with having his own universe obliterated and forced to go to try to warn other universes...to no avail whatsoever.
Over the next few cycles...the Anti-Monitor began to consume each universe with a wave of anti-matter, unmaking them utterly to strengthen himself and weaken his nemesis the Monitor. When the series begins, he is doing the same to Earth-3 ruled by the Crime Syndicate, devouring everything in the universe with the terrified populace consumed...the only survivor is Alexander Luthor Jr, the son of Lois and Lex Luthor (Who's the one superhero there), launched to safety by his parents...even the evil Ultraman decides he'll "fight to the end" and flies headlong at the wave of devastation to no avail.
The Anti-Monitor has destroyed, at this point thousands of universes (Word of God is that there were about 3000 or so), eventually leaving only Earths 1, 2, 4, S and Earth X (Or Prime)...the Monitor recruits heroes and villains alike to fight back...unfortunately, one of them is Psycho Pirate, an emotion manipulator who is promptly recruited by the Anti-Monitor who promises him a world to rule...The Anti-Monitor has The Monitor's adopted daughter possessed by one of his servants and has her backstab her father...just as the Monitor planned, unleashing all his energy in a Thanatos Gambit to protect the remaining universes, also using the powers of Alexander Luthor who is a child of both positive and negative matter. Now, the Anti-Monitor boosts Psycho Pirate's power to have him play with the emotions of entire universes, causing them to fall on one another in devastation. The heroes find the Anti-Monitor first, though and in a pitched battle, Supergirl takes on the evil tyrant, destroying his outer shell...only for him to blast through the chest, mortally wounding her.
It is revealed the Anti-Monitor also runs Qward by enslaving the other denizens of his universe, creating taskmasters to beat them into submission...any who falter are killed. Having them create an Anti-Matter cannon, he plans to annihilate the final five universes. This is prevented only by Barry Allen, the Flash in his infamous heroic sacrifice. Furiously...the Anti-Monitor drains the power of the Anti-matter universe into himself, condemning millions of his own worlds to death, but vows to wipe out everything so only his universe remains and he can rebuild it in his own image, ruling everything....traveling through time to the dawn of the Multiverse to end it, prompting the heroes and villains to ally and split up, with the Anti-Monitor having lure dthem there for that purpose...the Spectre himself, the personification of God's wrath, appears to battle the Anti-Monitor...only for the power overload to basically erase the Multi-verse, merging it into 1 universe with only a few remembering the multiverse at all.
Now cosmically empowered, the Anti-Monitor launches a final attack on the new earth, unleashing shadow demons of pure Anti-matter that erase everything they find, to kill everyone and everything on earth. some of the final heroes, including Kal-L (The old Superman), Superboy Prime, Alexander Luthor, etc. Engage the Anti-Monitor in his own turf where the new Dr. Light (the good one not the rapist) drains all the energy from his own suns and blasts him with them. The Anti-Monitor is only laid low by the combination of this, plus the power of Darkseid firing all his strength through Alexander...but STILL refusing to go down, he tries a last ditch attack, only for an enraged Kal-L to fly forward and slam his fist with all he has into the Anti-Monitor, obliterating him and sending the pieces flying back into the sun.
Unfortunately with the rebirth of the Multiverse, the Anti-Monitor returned as well, as the driving force of the Sinestro Corps, seeking to annihilate earth, the true cornerstone of reality to obliterate the multiverse again, also stringing along a new group of servitors. He was defeated here again thanks to all the heroes and flung into the furthest reaches of space where Nekron killed him and used his corpse to power the Black Lantern Power Battery...Blackest Night ends with the Anti-Monitor restored to life and banished to the anti-matter universe again, which is the last we saw of him until the New 52 gave him the new identity of Mobius and new backstory, as I've already covered.
So, heinous standard?
This, um...isn't a problem. The Anti-Monitor has the highest bodycount of ANY DC villain. Thousands of universes, reducing over 3000 to...5, trying to destroy those, obliterating MILLIONS of his own worlds just for a power boost, horrific slavery, having Psycho Pirate (I did check to see if he counted, but no, he's just a pathetic little wretch) mind rape entire universes? Well over the standard.
Mitigating Qualities?
For a long time, the issue was agency, but you know what? He has it. Plenty of Made of Evil characters in DC have shown the capacity to change their natures and anti-matter does not necessarily equate to evil. There are millions of beings within the Anti-matter universe capable of moral choice, the Thunderers created by him are capable, with Psycho Pirate's inducements, of turning on the Anti-Monitor...nothing indicates he's a slave to his nature, and the DC cosmic rules would indicate firmly otherwise. In addition, he's not out to destroy everything because anti-matter, it's a calculated, cruel gambit to strengthen his universe...and then he wants to rule it as a tyrannical god. We've seen New Gods like Darkseid have agency, the same should be true of the Anti-Monitor.
Furthering this? The positive Monitors are firmly capable of showcasing agency as well in later stories. So, yeah...I'd submit we don't have issues with the Anti-Monitor here. Also, he's not exactly a Generic Doomsday Villain...he has a nasty sense of humor at times with Psycho Pirate and does showcase other personality traits.
Conclusion?
My big surprise New Years Eve EP, all! Welcome to the Anti-Monitor.
Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 31st 2018 at 9:17:25 AM
My favorite EP's would be The Black Knight (a good start to my career), Malicia (who has the (dis)honor of being our first example from an Edutainment Game), Ophanimon (unless you already have, you should read the Yang Yin fic), and Bart Thumper (who, even if he doesn't qualify, was pretty unique in his evil).
Help me!Oh As far as guys I Epd.
Evolto is one of my favourites if for sheer awesomeness and being a cool mix between personal and scale crimes.
Abby and Keith were not by favourite CHERUB villains but it was so cool to add a CM from one of my favourite works.
Dorian Grey was also fun as I always figured he counted and its one of my favourite shows.
And finally Solaris. If becuase I got to add an actual example to DC Comics
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Anti-Moniter
I actually asked about him awhile back and didn't get an answer as the conversation went nowhere. So yeah easy yes. Figured he counted.
Also gonna back Lighty on Eredin. That seems like a really pointless and unnecessary change. Can we keep the old one.
Edited by miraculous on Dec 31st 2018 at 9:23:16 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yes to Anti-Moniter.
As my personal favorite ep of the year Hugo Strange and Facilier are up over all, but as for ones I got up I have to say Brainiac for Justice League/Mighty Morphin Power Rangers comic crossover.
I'm ok with that Fried.
Edited by Bullman on Dec 31st 2018 at 12:46:21 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadCurrent vote on Gieger is 3 or 4
and 9
.
@miraculous Again, I think the evacuation was played as a ploy or distraction while his system loaded. Plus, the crew of the oil tanker and the people in the port town were put in danger too, so that racks up his attempted kills because of that. Also, you forget that Payne himself let Sam the wounded bus driver be evacuated and not because he was being nice.
My favorite is Chrysis, because she is first female to count in Assassin's Creed.
I would soon EP potential candidate.
Edited by hegelvonaxel on Dec 31st 2018 at 10:31:03 AM
Here. In your own ep
Gieger has almost as big a body count as him, but also tried to take out more people too.
He gives the crew 15 minutes to evacuate the passengers while it's stopped (he was probably just waiting for all his programming to be all set to go and biding his time), but there's still about a dozen left with the crew after that. He doesn't seem aware of this, but he's shown indifference to those around him and doesn't seem like he'd be that broken up about them at the end of the day.
How does he have an attempted body count as big as Payne when he's not even aware there's still people on board the ship? You can't have it both ways like that.
Edited by miraculous on Dec 31st 2018 at 9:55:07 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Actually, I thought it was being a GDV that was the reason Anti-Monitor didn't count, but if that's not the case, and if agency's no issue, I'll give him a yes.
The massive mind-rapist is just a "pathetic little wretch"? That...seems surprising to me.
Where will Anti-Monitor go on the DC page? A Crisis on Infinite Earths heading between pre and post Crisis? Or his own entry in the Post-Crisis group that just mentions Crisis? Or something else?
Edited by ACW on Dec 31st 2018 at 12:59:44 PM
@Elfen: I suppose my favorite EPs this year were Joshua Serengheti and Sieglinde Nomura.
for Anti-Monitor.
Anti-Monitor
I think my only proposal from this year was The Expanse’s Doctor Strickland, partially because I don’t view a lot of media with horrifying villains and partially because I’ve been so focused on magnificent bastards.
That being said, I’ve been mulling over another potential Expanse candidate and I think I’ll propose him soon.
I've said this over and over again for the past week, but I'm serious when I say this will be my last EP of the year.
But first a funny story. After I proposed the character Velak, I stated at the end that I had no idea when the sequel story would be released. The day after I posted my EP, the sequel story came out… and killed the story completely. The author, BC2, lost passion for the series and cancelled the entire thing on page 2. So… Velak still stays as is, but, I have a candidate from one of BC2’s other series that might be a keep. And yes, it’s from a RWBY fanfic.
What Is the Work?
RWBY Noir AU
is a fanfic duology by BC2 that takes the RWBY cast and places them in a classic, dark noir setting, with criminals, casinos, hitmen, and a variety of film noir tropes. Magic is gone, and the series is more grounded in realism. While the two stories are connected, we’re primarily looking at the second story, The Phoenix
.
After the deaths of Ruby and Blake from the previous story
, the one-armed Yang Xiao “The Phoenix” Long and Weiss Schnee (who are a couple in this version) learn to cope with their deaths as they try to solve a series of suicides. The victims all being women. So who's the mastermind behind all these deaths?
Who Is she?
Cinder Fall is the main villain of The Phoenix. An immoral Serial Killer, Cinder likes to prey upon wealthy, married women and have them commit suicide for fun as she takes their money and wedding ring as part of her collection, having plenty stored in her base taped to newspaper articles detailing her victims’ suicides. She forces the women to commit suicide by way of choice: either kill themselves, or their lovers will be killed instead. Once the women kill themselves, Cinder has the lovers killed anyway. She’s been doing this for a very long time.
What has she done?
She has blackmailed Ghira Belladonna about his business practices, threatening to expose him to the police should he try anything funny. She often comes to his casino, The Paw, to either mock him about his deceased wife or search for more victims. She loves gambling, savoring her wins, as the ruination from people who have lost everything delights her. Emerald acts as her servant, with Cinder often abusing her for daring to question her, while Mercury serves as her murderous muscle.
She had Vernal commit suicide by jumping off her balcony building, saddening her lover Raven Branwen, who asks Weiss and Yang to investigate Cinder for her. A regular in Ghira’s casinos, Ghira wants Cinder out for having his wife Kali walk in front of a moving train after emptying his bank account. Cinder taunts Ghira about Kali before walking away from him. While walking out, she notices Penny Polendina. Falling in love with her, she manipulates her into having sex with her, where she takes her money and threatens to tell her wife Ciel that she cheated on her. Cinder then pulls out a gun and gives it to Penny, presenting her with a choice: blow her own brains out and Ciel lives, or kill Cinder and Ciel dies. Once Penny commits suicide, Cinder immediately orders Mercury to do whatever he wants with Ciel.
Weiss and Yang partner with Ghira to capture Cinder by having Weiss pose as a clueless gambler who gets a drink with her. The plan works, as Weiss was able to trick Cinder into sleeping with her and is able to take her gun. As for Mercury, he was sent by Cinder to kill Yang, but she and Officer Qrow manage to pull a reversal and arrest him. With her plans failed, Cinder lunges at Weiss while she’s pointing her own gun at her and strangles her. Weiss kicks her off, but Cinder escapes the hotel naked and gets Emerald to drive her away. Once they get to Cinder’s home base, Cinder kills Emerald to cover her tracks and leaves for the train station. While waiting for her train, she is spotted by Raven, who ends up killing both her and herself by standing in front of an incoming train, all while Cinder refuses to accept what she’s done as terrible.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. While she allowed Mercury to let Raven live, that was just to keep her on his good side. As she herself says “I enjoy the hunt, the manipulation, and the power I hold over them in [her victims] final moments more than anything their money could give me.”
Heinousness?
While there are some bad people like the Cardins, who kidnap several women, we only see them kidnap one person, and are taken out in the first chapter. Cinder trounces over the other villains of the duology, with a high body count, and wicked personality.
Conclusion
I think she’s a keep. My first ever fanfic candidate.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Dec 31st 2018 at 10:44:23 AM
It's Spooky Month!

My personal favorite EP’s of the year were Count Gabriel von Krolock (once again thanks Lighty for letting me EP him), Kage Mishima due to how comedic and fun it was preparing it, Lukas Lodder due to being one of the most memorably messed up villains I’ve proposed, Fabien Garcia due to the WTF postmodern factor of it all, and finally Hikaru and Kanzen Kageno because I love covering the J-Sploitation movies, this one being the most fun.
It's Spooky Month!