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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#141951: Dec 31st 2018 at 5:29:42 AM

@ACW regarding rewrites.

There were some mistakes in entries.

1)Eredin didn't commit genocide alone.

2)Vilgefortz didn't send Skellen and Bonhart after Ciri.

3)No Vil's hardened agents ever showed disgust toward his experiments, only persons disgusted were Dijkstra and his men.

4)Part about that other villains were repulsed with him is unneccessary, because not only never other bad guys showed Even Evil Has Standards, but Bonhart would also be among others. In my opinion, we should cut from every entry similar sentences, if a work has more than one C Ms, since it would imply that other Monsters have EES toward that character.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#141952: Dec 31st 2018 at 5:33:42 AM

If that's the case, I'm fine with the factual corrections. Since the rewrites were lacking potholes, I've added the current entries to the Drafts page; please make the changes there.

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#141953: Dec 31st 2018 at 5:35:32 AM

Didn't we already discuss Black Hat and deem him a non keep?

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#141954: Dec 31st 2018 at 6:06:34 AM

Heads up, I'll be out for New Years. Anyway, Happy New Years!

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#141955: Dec 31st 2018 at 6:08:07 AM

I think Grieger stands out more on scope. Given he seems to have a much higher attempted body count.

[up] see ya Newton!

Edited by Kylotrope on Dec 31st 2018 at 6:08:39 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#141956: Dec 31st 2018 at 6:09:52 AM

He has everyone evacuated but a few people though. Kinda denting that attempted body count comapred to Payne blowing up the entire thing with everyone in it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#141957: Dec 31st 2018 at 6:10:22 AM

[tup] Una and Striba. [tdown] Gieger and Black Hat.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#141959: Dec 31st 2018 at 6:28:50 AM

[tup] Striba. [tdown] Gieger and Black Hat.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 31st 2018 at 9:36:22 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#141960: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:02:57 AM

@G-Editor: If you feel you can make a case for Adrien Baker. Go ahead. I'm curious how things would be with everything about him on the table ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#141961: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:12:26 AM

Absolute no to Black Hat. He's not played seriously at all.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#141962: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:43:25 AM

BTW, no promises, but I MAY be able to work on a batch tomorrow and submit Wednesday or Thursday.

11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#141963: Dec 31st 2018 at 7:50:53 AM

[tup] to everyone but Grieger and Black Hat.

Help me!
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#141964: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:28:15 AM

Since this is the End of the Year in my country, review time on my behalf on what I did this year:

In 2018, I currently proposed more than 40 villains (45 if you count. See my troper page for details) in this thread which is truly an improvement compared to last year (This is understandable since I joined around October) which netted around 4 candidates (1 is a cut but I'm not sad being her getting cut because it's one of my least favorite E Ps to do). I have a bit of a huge fun E Ping some baddies even if some of them getting downvoted and I'm glad that I covered some interesting works this year such as Fantastic Children, Darling In The Franxx or Murder Princess. I couldn't have done this with the help of both Miraculous and Lightysnake regarding the works that I got recommended (And possibly Duck too). This year ended me E Ping a baddie from my religion which is alright and I'm glad that the forums reception regarding Islam is very positive which is cool. And even some of the baddies that I proposed getting downvoted, I personally have fun with them such as Lord Lucius's EP or Commander Zoath's EP in which I'd be honest, I kind of disagree with Scraggle regarding his agency issues but a downvote is a downvote after all. I'm hoping that I would improve myself in the year of 2019 especially on both MB and CM thread and happy new year to y'all!

And to conclude this year a bit, this might sound annoying but what's your favorite EP in this 2018? Either an upvoted baddie or a downvoted baddie.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 31st 2018 at 11:29:20 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#141965: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:33:18 AM

Yes to Stirba, no to Gieger and Black Hat. The latter especially since his whole character revolves around wacky Invader Zim-esque dark comedy.

So uh, just double checking before dropping my New Year's effortpost tomorrow: are people okay with me fielding discussion for Spider-Man PS 4 three days early as a special occasion. One person was absolutely okay with it, and the other was pretty much in "leaning towards no, but overall so-so" territory.

Elfen: Favorite effortpost for me this year would probably be Hugo Strange from the Arkham games. Both my late-to-the-party EP since it was fun to write, and Ravok's because he did a damn good job at arguing his case, lol (Really miss Ravok, by the way. Kinda sad that he hasn't been around lately). Riff Tamson was also a fun one for me since he was the first Star Wars bad guy I've gotten approved here and a damn cool one to boot: a shark man who bites people to death, shares a voice with Uncle Ruckus, and goes toe to toe with Jedi without breaking a sweat? Hell yeah.

Edited by FriedWarthog on Dec 31st 2018 at 8:38:01 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#141966: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:34:16 AM

For me, I'm okay with it

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#141967: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:42:48 AM

Go ahead man.

My favourite effort-posts of this year. Even if I didnt do them are XANA, The Lich and Facillier. It was really cool to up vote three of my favourite villains and in the case of XANA and Lich, ones I grew up with.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#141968: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:46:21 AM

I'll repost:

  • I got both a Red Skull (thanks to Ravok for confirming he counts) and a Joker approved.
  • I finally got answers on Erebus (over a year wondering); Echkart (over 2 years); and, also 2 years, Rausch (I did this one myself; first CM for J. K. Simmons).
  • My first CM from a video game (thanks to Ravok again for watching the cutscenes and making sure he counted) (make that CMs).

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#141969: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:47:07 AM

I'm fine with the Spider-Man EP being handled early.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#141970: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:51:17 AM

For me, my favorite effort post this that was upvoted would probably be the one on Reggie Mantle. Favorite that was downvoted would be the one on Shiki the Golden Lion.

Well, here’s the write-up for Beldr.

  • Devil Survivor manga, by Satoru Matsuba: Beldr proves to be far worse than his game counterpart. A Bel that feeds off grief and despair, Beldr introduces himself by draining the souls of a group of innocents that the heroes previously saved. When Atsuro finds out that Beldr is seemingly invulnerable, Beldr attempts to slowly burn him alive in response. After Kazuya buys time for the others to escape, Beldr tortures him to near death, talking about the pleasure he takes in Kazuya’s hopelessness. When Kazuya escapes, Beldr goes on a killing spree for the next day before going to the cemetery. Beldr then attempts to drain the souls of over 300 innocent civilians to fully revive himself, intending to escape the Yamanote circle and turn the rest of the world into an apocalypse so that everyone will feel grief.

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Dec 31st 2018 at 12:00:49 PM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#141971: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:51:28 AM

I guess for me, some of my favorite EPs I've done would be Good ol' Michael Myers and Twin Masters. Oh, and the Lord Commander.

Edited by AustinDR on Dec 31st 2018 at 10:13:06 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#141972: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:53:03 AM

Oh, right. Fried, I'm fine with you doing the EP whenever.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#141973: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:56:12 AM

Repeating again because why not:

My personal favorites this year:

  • For downvoted candidates, I'll go with Lucius, Commander Zoath and possibly Lord Sergei since I had fun doing them despite being downvoted. Although I actually still disagree regarding Scraggle's argument regarding Zoath's agency but I'm cool with that.
  • For upvoted candidates, Darling in the Franxx Big Bad, Houshin Engi baddies, female C Ms that I proposed, Abu Jahl and possibly BB Hensley because why not.
  • For candidates that got proposed by someone else: Lady Charlotte Ermengarde, that baddie from World End's Harem (Both Newton and Clown Prince made a good cases unlike me sad although thanks to the latter's EP, I have a second perception of Goblin Slayer as a whole), Other Psyren baddies that E Pd by Lighty, Yusaka and Mithra, especially Mithra and Barclyss. Mothergod is also up there with Ulith.

Oh yeah, honorable mention characters that got E Pd by me: Snark, Dr. Anton Verloc and Jack Dante

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jan 1st 2019 at 12:00:00 AM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#141974: Dec 31st 2018 at 8:58:30 AM

This year hasn't been very kind to me. Of the fourteen candidates I proposed, only five were successful (and one was eventually deemed a non-keeper).sad Hopefully, my luck will improve by next year. I may check out some of the villains I've been proposed via messaging if I can.

Help me!
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#141975: Dec 31st 2018 at 9:07:05 AM

[up] Don't worry, I wish you the best of luck.

Happy New Year to those who live in Indonesia including me! Wish the best of luck to this thread especially me and I hope I proposed more candidates in the future haha

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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