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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#141052: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:03:09 PM

[up][up] The real-life/Biblical Herod did die gruesomely, but the film ends before we get to that. Thank God (literally in this case, I guess).

I also forgot to say [tup] Plutonia.

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AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#141055: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:15:21 PM

@Lightysnake okay I’ve added our names to the Last Kingdom.

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#141057: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:24:54 PM

[tup] Herod

BTW, I added the I Spit on Your Grave sequel to the discussion dates.

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#141058: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:29:14 PM

[tup] Herod.

[up] .... They made a sequel.

I have no faith it's going to be anything but shock shlock.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#141062: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:45:36 PM

I also decided to reserve the The Rocketeer sequel and the Alice, Sweet Alice remake.

11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#141063: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:49:34 PM

[tup] Herod.

Frankly, I'd be pretty shocked if Mary Poppins Returns had an actual villain, let alone a Complete Monster.

Help me!
Crisis22 Since: Dec, 2018
#141064: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:13:39 PM

@Tyk 5919 Give it a chance. You might, I repeat might, see Infinite in a different light after reading it.

Also [tup] to Herod.

Edited by Crisis22 on Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:15:23 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#141065: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:00:22 PM

Didn't the Marry Poppins play have a villain ? One who was Dragged Off to Hell if I recall correctly ?

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#141066: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:20:06 PM

Although even though The Nativity Story Herod does qualify, has a proposal ever been made of the actual original Biblical version?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#141067: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:23:11 PM

Like most Bronze/Iron Age literature the Bible's heinous standard is through the roof, with protagonists and antagonists alike regularly committing mass murder so it was decided he doesn't stand out.

The one keep we decided on from the Good Book, Haman, was the result of one of the largest arguments this thread has ever seen.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Dec 23rd 2018 at 11:31:56 AM

11111001011 11111001011 from Peachtree City, GA Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
11111001011
#141068: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:37:10 PM

If murder is so standard, how does Haman stand out?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#141069: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:38:06 PM

[up] We settled this long ago, and we all agreed we don't want to do it again. I'd rather we not set off a conflagration on Christmas Eve.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#141070: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:41:38 PM

[up][up] If you're curious, look it up on Google.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#141072: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:16:28 PM

If that's the Case, anyone wanna Add Haman to the Never again list as a Keep?

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#141073: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:27:33 PM

[up]Unless someone tries to re-evaluate him, I doubt that's necessary.

Why so serious?
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#141074: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:29:21 PM

Alrighty.

Things are really about to get Fun around here
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#141075: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:39:15 PM

Off to Google. This, I gotta read.


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