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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#140859: Dec 21st 2018 at 10:50:02 PM

[tup]Clamoty Jane duo.

Huh I swear I've heard of this before.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#140860: Dec 21st 2018 at 11:05:17 PM

[tup] Calamity Jane duo. Man, been wanting to see that show myself.

It's Spooky Month!
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#140861: Dec 21st 2018 at 11:23:12 PM

Considering the quality of writeup and the fact that most of it describe only how he subvert any mitigating factor and not actual deeds, may i ask if Oswald Danes from Torchwood was ever actually proposed?

Complete Monster: Oswald Danes is a convicted child rapist and killer whose defense in court was "she should have run faster." After surviving his execution due to everyone on Earth becoming immortal, he starts playing the media for forgiveness and seems well on his way to becoming a Dark Messiah. Throughout the season, it's implied that he does have some guilt over what he did and wants to die, only to reveal that he believes that he'll be able to torture his previous victim forever in Hell. His last words are to yell out that he's coming for her and that she should start running.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#140862: Dec 22nd 2018 at 12:21:10 AM

Yes to all the candidates that I missed. Anyways...

-Breathes in-

I recently read a manga called Zombiepowder., a manga by Tite Kubo (Yes, that Tite Kubo) before he wrote Bleach and I'm tempted to propose Balmunk because his character sheet shows potential. But after reading for myself, I don't think he's heinous enough but that could change in later future. Yes, it is stated that he murders around 20.000 people and is able to wipe a single town in 2 hours as stated by the main protagonist of Zombie Powder, Gamma Akutami, but we didn't see him do that and we saw the shot regarding his circus. And yeah, despite that, Balmunk has a penchant of mentally torture his enemy by taunting them about their past and as far as affability goes, I don't think it holds up for many reasons. But even then, I feel he doesn't do enough but I can be wrong. If you want to see me EP Balmunk, I'm cool with it but I'm still unsure with the character.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#140863: Dec 22nd 2018 at 3:27:51 AM

[tup] the Jane duo. So this Petroleum Man doesn't even do anything? Also, the Indian chief is named "Parker"? Huh.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#140864: Dec 22nd 2018 at 3:37:53 AM

[tup] to Princess Blister, Queen of Ktahn, Bill Doolinan and Mr. Filbert.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#140865: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:11:10 AM

I found this on the Character page of Vincent Ingram the Big Bad of a tv series called Travelers

  • Complete Monster: By the end of his arc, 001 has become this, with a heavy dose of Hypocrite to boot. The Well-Intentioned Extremist philosophy behind the Faction, of using extreme methods to prevent the Bad Future so that humanity won't surrender its free will to a machine? 001's final act is to cause the Bad Future ahead of schedule by triggering an apocalyptic nuclear war, with his consciousness hidden inside humanity's machines so that he can become the inhuman AI Director that he's always hated. By the end there's nobody and nothing left he hasn't betrayed, with the possible exception of taking care of his hosts' children.

This though is also on his character page.

  • Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Claims to be doing all of this to protect the son he had with his wife as Vincent Ingram, whom he no longer believes to be safe after the Director showed its willingness to kill to get to him.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:11:57 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#140866: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:48:26 AM

Here is a write up for Jolly Roger:

  • Pirates of The Caribbean Online: Jolly Roger was once a friend of Jack Sparrow, until he became envious of Jacks status as the next Pirate Lord of the Caribbean, and tried to kill him. Cursed to become an undead being by a vengeful witch doctor, Roger attacks towns, intending to slaughter the inhabitants and resurrect them to serve in his undead army to help him conquer the Caribbean and kill Jack Sparrow. When Roger finds the protagonist with a man who had betrayed Roger, Roger kills the man after he tries to pay Roger to spare him, only allowing the protagonist to live so they can deliver a message from Roger to Jack Sparrow.

I am too tired to include any more links in the write up right now.

jjj
MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#140868: Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:03:27 AM

So a day has passed since the date I was going to discuss SSBU and truth is I haven't played the game myself, but I have watched multiple playthroughs, so no problem there. But I'm very sceptical. Dharkon and Galeem are technically gods of darkness and light respectively, indicating that they don't have any other choice than doing what they're doing, but at the same time they do commit actions at times that indicate moral agency. So I'd like some opinions from someone else on here if they might be worth an EP or not.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#140869: Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:26:48 AM

[tup] Bilbert and Fill.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#140870: Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:53:43 AM

[tup] Doolin and Filbert.

Regarding Galeem and Dharkon, I really think they're Generic Doomsday Villains. They never talk, they never get fleshed out motivations, they have no backstory. While they are characterized slightly, all it really tells us about them is that they hate each other. They're menacing and effective, but are really more like obstacles to be overcome than fleshed out characters.

Edited by TommyFresh on Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:55:43 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#140871: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:32:42 AM

Tommy's got it on the nose. The two of them suffer from Sakurai Syndrome (e.g. scary eldritch horror whom we have no real idea actually is or what they want). All we know is that they hate light and darkness respectively and really, really hate each other because of their contesting elements.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#140872: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:44:28 AM

You know... After some thinking, do you guys wanted to see me E Ping Balmunk? The main issue is that while the most heinous actions is offscreen but what makes him establish his pattern is that trying to kill the doctors, nurses or the patients in a hospital because said doctor refuses to tell the location of the ring. Not sure if it does enough but yeah...

Also, recently saw a Super Mario Bros film and while I'm trying to EP King Koopa at first because I don't know the work, ultimately I have to say no to him for two reasons: His endgoal and how seriously he's played so oof... That's a candidate gone to waste

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 22nd 2018 at 10:46:08 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#140874: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:52:31 AM

Got the write-up for Princess Blister done.

Wings of Fire: Princess Blister is an ambitious, sociopathic dragon who is largely responsible for starting the War of SandWing Succession. When Blister's mother, Queen Oasis, goes to hunt the scavengers who stole some of her treasure, Blister refused to send her backup, thus leading to her death. She later hid all of Oasis' treasure, pinning the blame on scavengers, and started arguing with her sisters, Burn and Blaze, over who would be the next SandWing queen. After Blister began to amass an army in secret, Burn and Blaze gathered their own forces and fought each other, resulting in a war that led to the deaths of thousands. During the war, Blister frequently manipulated other dragons into fighting her battles or assassinating her foes, wasting no time betraying or even killing her allies the moment she deemed them useless. She even tried to have the five Dragonets of Destiny murdered simply because they hindered her plans and refused to select her to be the next queen. When the Dragonets try to force Burn, Blister, and Blaze to have a peaceful meeting with each other to end the war, Blister kills Burn, and attempts to kill Blaze minutes later.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#140875: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:53:02 AM

Go ahead man.

Ep is something you can try for.

Also is anyone famalir with the guy from the Travellers show. I'm going to cut him unless I get a rebuttal as even the entry implies he cares about his kid.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 22nd 2018 at 8:01:44 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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