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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Anyway, I noticed how this 2016 write-up of mine of a Choice of Games villain is really too long for it's own good (340 words. Yikes)
- Diabolical: Ara-Kunos the Eighth, the emperor of the planet Yod, at some point came to Earth under the alias Dr. Arachnus and made a name for himself as the world's most infamous villain. Years prior to the events of the game, he attempted to steal all of Earth's water supply in an attempt to end all life on the planet. When stopped by renowned hero The Star, Arachnus psychologically tortured the hero into becoming a de-powered, immoral, borderline insane shell of his former self. Later, he assassinated president Alex Johnson by drinking all of his blood, before acquiring the president's clairvoyant powers to get visions of the future. Arachnus, receiving visions that a threat to him was somewhere on Earth, went into seclusion while having mechanical spiders infest sewers, killing anybody they come across. When he finds out that the main character is said threat, Arachnus infects thousands of people in Merit City with a eventually-fatal nano-virus that turns them into mindless, zombie-like drones, all with the purpose of trying to kill the main character. Eventually, he reveals his true identity as an alien emperor, and makes a public statement to everybody on Earth that he intends to terraform the entire planet for his people, killing the majority of humans and enslaving any survivors. When the main character enters the ship, it's revealed that Arachnus shows no sympathy for his fellow Yoddites, creating devices to brainwash them into mindless soldiers who will die for him without a second thought. When Dr. Arachnus is confronted, he offers the main character the opportunity to join him, only to mock him for thinking he was being genuine about his offer; if Hackmaster was chosen for your sidekick, she'll attempt to take up Arachnus's offer, only for him to kill her for no reason. In a game that acts primarily as a parody of heroes and villains, Dr. Arachnus is played deadly serious, and out of all the super villains in the world, proves to be by far the most heinous one the player confronts.
Here's the re-write.
- Diabolical: Ara-Kunos the Eighth, the emperor of the planet Yod, at some point came to Earth under the alias Dr. Arachnus and made a name for himself as the world's most infamous villain. Prior to the game, he attempted to steal all of Earth's water supply. When stopped by renowned hero The Star, Arachnus mentally tortured the hero into becoming a borderline insane shell of his former self. Later, he murdered president Alex Johnson by drinking all of his blood, before acquiring the president's clairvoyant powers. Receiving visions that a threat to him was somewhere on Earth, Arachnus went into seclusion while having mechanical spiders kill anybody they come across. When he finds out that you're the said threat, Arachnus infects thousands of people in Merit City with a eventually-fatal nano-virus that turns them into zombie-like drones, all with the goal of killing you. Eventually, he reveals his true identity, and declares that he intends to terraform the entire planet, killing the majority of humans and enslaving any survivors. When you enter his ship, it's revealed that Arachnus shows no sympathy for his people, brainwashing them into mindless soldiers who will die for him without a second thought. When confronted, Arachnus offers you the opportunity to join him, only to mock him for thinking he was being genuine about his offer; if Hackmaster was chosen for your sidekick, she'll attempt to take up Arachnus's offer, only for him to kill her for no reason. In a game that acts primarily as a parody of heroes and villains, Dr. Arachnus is played deadly serious, and out of all the super villains in the world, proves to be by far the most heinous one the player confronts.
Yes. The condensed version looks better.
Now, here's my first candidate in a while.
What's The Work?
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is a Netflix show and a reboot of an 80's cartoon of (almost) the same name. In it, Adora is seen serving the Horde, but later rebels and forms the Alliance. Hordak is not my candidate. Although he has none of his original self's Laughably Evil traits, he is shown to be a Benevolent Boss. However, I have someone else in mind...
Who is She? What Has She Done?
Shadow Weaver, Hordak's right-hand (wo)man is introduced congratulating Adora for completing her training in record time. Adora tries to give some credit to Catra, but Shadow Weaver refuses to believe it. She takes Adora with her and tells her that Adora has been selected by Hordak as a Force Captain. Adora tries to point out that Catra has been training hard, but Shadow Weaver simply retorts that Catra should have tried harder. She explains that she saw potential in Adora the moment she found Adora as an orphan and tells her not to disappoint her.
Upon hearing of her defection, Shadow Weaver keeps pressing Catra for Adora's location, refuses to believe her claims not to know. However, Shadow Weaver reveals that she knows where Adora is and that she will send Catra to get Adora. Catra tries to refuse, but Shadow Weaver zaps her with her magic and threatens to give her Adora's consequences unless Catra complies.
When Catra is in a funk after an unsuccessful capture attempt, Shadow Weaver comes in and chastises her for her failure. Catra angrily says that Adora may have had the right idea defecting, but this only angers Shadow Weaver, who takes her to Hordak. To her shock, Hordak actually elects Catra as a new Force Captain.
Later, Shadow Weaver comes when Catra is badmouthing her and tries to wrangle more information out of her. Catra insists that Adora left, but Shadow Weaver refuses to listen and tries to drag it out of her, only to be stopped by Hordak. She goes to a gem to recharge, but Hordak chastises her for disobeying orders and reminds her that he can take her powers away. Shadow Weaver pretends to comply, but when the conversation ends, she lets out a loud cry. When Catra fails to get Adora, Shadow Weaver chastises her, tells her it's her mission to find Adora and sends out her Shadow Spies.
Shadow Weaver locates Adora in Seaworthy and sends Catra out again, but has Scorpia accompany her. It fails. Shadow Weaver recharges on her gem and spies on Adora and her friends as they go to Mystacor. She decides to bring Adora back herself and sends Catra to stand guard. She merges all her Shadow Spies into one and sends them after Adora. When they get there, Adora and her friends are greeted by Glimmer's aunt Castaspella. She tells them about Light Spinner, calls her a scar on Mystacor's past, and says she was cast out. Castaspella then says that some say Light Spinner never really left and is just biding her time, plotting her revenge....before passing them off as children's tales. Shadow Weaver's shadow suddenly comes at Adora, but vanishes when Glimmer and Bow come. Shadow Weaver decides it's time for something more and sends out her Shadow Spy. She creeps up on Adora while Adora is trying to relax in a spring, causing Adora to panic. Her Shadow Spy shows up again when Adora is staring at the statue of Light Spinner, causing her to turn into She-Ra. After Adora is recovering from a funk after destroying sacred crystals, Shadow Weaver's Shadow Spy disguises itself as Glimmer and tells her she should go. As Castaspella is trying to use stones to power the Protection Spell, the Shadow Spy comes and knocks her (and everyone else in the room) out. It then disguises itself as Bow and bullshits Adora into thinking she's to blame for everything that's happening at Mystacore. Adora goes back, only to be waylaid by Shadow Weaver. Shadow Weaver tells Adora that her friends do not understand her, as they did not understand Shadow Weaver when she was known as Light Spinner. She tries to bullshit Adora into thinking her friends only want her strength, and she cares about Adora, but Adora does not buy it, fights her off, and stops the eclipse, knocking her out.
Catra manages to kidnap Bow and Glimmer and steal Adora's sword, but Shadow Weaver claims that any of Catra's successes is credited to her. She traps Glimmer in a force field that zaps her whenever she tries to teleport. Adora surrenders and is taken to Shadow Weaver. Shadow Weaver tries to wipe Adora's memories, but Glimmer escapes her bounds to take Shadow Weaver down.
After enduring another verbal beat-down from Hordak, Shadow Weaver feels dejected. She tries to claim that she was only hard on Catra to make her stronger, but Catra says she doesn't need her and leaves.
At the Tower, Catra and Adora reach some memories. A younger Adora suggests they go into Shadow Weaver's lair, but they get caught. They try to flee, but Shadow Weaver freezes Catra in her tracks and asks her what she's doing here. Adora tries to say it was her idea, but Shadow Weaver doesn't listen. She threatens to dispose of Catra if Catra drags Adora down with her.
While Catra, Scorpia, and Entrapta are hooking up some machines, Shadow Weaver comes in to stop them and threatens to put Catra back in her place. However, Hordak comes in and says he gave his approval, due to how much help they have been, and gives Catra the Black Gauntlet. Shadow Weaver loses it, and attacks the trio, freezing Scorpia and Entrapta. She tries to destroy Catra, claiming Catra has learn nothing from her, but Catra dodges her attacks and destroys her gem, rendering her powerless. Catra then calls Scorpia to take her away.
None at all. In the original cartoon, Shadow Weaver (then known as Light Spinner) was a mediocre sorceress who sold out Mystacore for greater power. This version of Shadow Weaver was already a powerful sorceress, but sold out her people anyway for power.
Heinous Standard?
This could be a bit tricky. The only villains in the show (so far) are the Horde, and of them, she seems to be the most cruel. No one else has caused such trauma. Her boss is Hordak, but so far, he's done nothing of note apart from promoting Catra to his Dragon. She's also had the highest (attempted) body count.
Mitigating Factors?
None. Despite her claims to be trying to make her stronger, it is made clear that she always saw Catra as a disappointment. She also only seems to value Adora for her strength rather than as her own character.
Verdict?
Edited by 11111001011 on Dec 18th 2018 at 11:12:56 AM
Help me!She seems to be in the way to be a CM, but So far, I force myself to say No.
Keep a eye on it tho. I smell potential.
Watch me destroying my countrySpeaking of Creepypasta X might need an expansion.
- X is a monster resembling Sonic the Hedgehog. Trapped in another dimension, X created a cursed Sonic game. Once someone had played through the game, a portal would open up, allowing X to tear the players soul out of their body and take them back to his world for eternal torture. When Tom plays the game, he witnesses X torment several people whose souls have been transformed into Sonic characters, before he brings Tom into his realm. In Sonic.exe Round 2, it is revealed that X has killed 31 people, and plans to one day permanently cross over to Earth and turn it into a realm of eternal suffering. Viewing all of humanity as toys for his amusement, X is as evil as a Creepypasta monster could be.
Edited by randomtroper89 on Dec 18th 2018 at 10:38:55 AM
I'm about to sign off for the night, but the talk of heinous standards has got me questioning a planned candidate. I plan on doing a Venture Brothers effort post tomorrow, but I'd like to get some preliminary opinions from those who have also watched the show if they have any problems with Jonas Venture as a candidate. In a light of revelations in Season 7, I think an effort post is needed at this point, but I'm curious if he would be an automatic and overwhelming no from those who've watched the show.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.@ The Bravely and Octopath examples: Now, I can't say for Octopath, but Bravely Default and its sequel ARE Final Fantasy games. They may not have the name in the title but they have so many trappings and themes common in the franchise that removing them over naming is just petty.
Oh, and they're spiritual successors to Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light. They're staying.
Again, can't speak for Octopath.
I think I can abstain on Shadow Weaver as she has some nice potential. So yeah, wait and see at best.
@Polar Phantom Also, nice Yin-Yang pfp right there.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."The Octopath entries should almost definitely be removed from the Final Fantasy entries. The Bravely games have enough of the classic FF recurring elements, including spell names, that it can probably stay. Octopath, despite being made by the same group with a similar concept, doesn't have any Final Fantasy references, with completely unique skill names and none of the recurring elements beyond heavily reworked mechanics.
tl;dr: Bravely can probably stay on Final Fantasy due to having enough connections; Octopath should be moved to the main page for having no allusions to Final Fantasy at all.
The differance was the comic version got some On Screen crimes. His film counterpart largely suffered from Offscreen Villainy.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Shadow Weaver
What is the Work?
Batman: Midnight Madness
is an audio drama that Mrcreepypasta himself wrote.
Who He is?
Who else but the Clown prince of crime? The Joker.
What did he do?
In typical Joker fashion, he opens the audio drama making up a story about an Abusive father before bashing a woman's head in and shooting her dead just for interrupting him.
The Joker then crashes a New Year's party, killing the host and the rest of the party goers with Joker toxin. It is revealed by Batman and The Question he intends on gassing Gotham with enough Joker toxin during the ball drop that it could kill half of the city.
When the Question arrives to distract him while Batman disarms the bomb, the Joker shoots him in the leg, and makes him watch the ball drop and his toxin kill everyone in Gotham Square.
Thankfully, Batman is able to disarm the gas bombs. Unfortunately, Joker reveals he set charges on the Ball, and blows them, causing the Ball to fall towards the crowd below, intending for them to be crushed to death.
Thinking he won, the Joker moves in to kill the Question with Joker Toxin, but Batman arrives, revealing he caught the Ball with the Batwing, and knocks joker out cold.
Freudian Excuse or Mitigating Factors?
The beginning about his abusive father is told in such a joking manner it's clear the joker was making it up, as usual.
Heinous Standard?
Killing a whole party? Intending to gas half of Gotham and then being content with crushing a crowd to death with the New Year's ball? All in a short time of about twenty minutes. I say he does enough.
Conclusion?
I'll give him a yes!

@43110 Are the mods the only ones allowed to put in entries?
Help me!