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edited 7th Nov '17 9:59:04 AM by Fighteer

G-Editor I'm a gay fish from The Sea Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
I'm a gay fish
Dec 6th 2018 at 1:42:24 AM

[up] don’t forget to vote for Sverri

MF Gay Fish!
ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
lrrose Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Dec 6th 2018 at 3:38:47 AM

[tup]Sverri

Live long and prosper
Dec 6th 2018 at 4:42:11 AM

[tup] Walker, Jatemme and Sverri

Wonder if someone like this would count: A serial rapist who's been blackmailing and forcing underage girls, including children, into sex and threaten to destroy their lives if they don't comply.

ElfenLiedFan90 Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you
Dec 6th 2018 at 4:50:52 AM

@The Immortal Angel Newton Is there anyone who is like that on your mind in particular Newt?

Hashire Sori Yo Kaze no Yoo Ni.. I don't celebrate Christmas.. Padolu Padolu Current story that I made.
Dec 6th 2018 at 4:58:02 AM

I am sorry to keep on about Bloodborne, but I feel there is more to be said. Namely about the heinous standard.

Like, let's really look at what goes on in this game: Townspeople driven mad by a plague end up attacking and butchering anyone "normal"; Hunters getting drunk on blood lashing out and murdering anyone they can find; a town and its residents burned when it fell to beasthood; experiments carried out by a group wanting to transcend humanity; a sinister cult that kidnaps people to murder, sacrifice and experiment on as well as being part of a ritual that lets them enter the Nightmare Realm to try and summon a Great One that will transform just about all in Yharnham into beasts, this ritual also killing these dreamer's physical forms. And I might add, children are explicitly targeted by the church and this cult - specifically with the cult you can find children's corpses as part of the group of dreamers just before entering the Nightmare yourself and on the church you can actually speak to a child that has "ascended".

With this in mind, does the Impostor Iosefka really stand out? I'm calling the Van Zant clause here: The Impostor's lack of resources matter not here, she is not nearly unique or extreme enough. To paraphrase Scraggle: "Resources isn't a get on trope free card."

And no, she doesn't experiment on Orphans. Depending on the player's actions, she experiments on one orphan, and there is actually no way she could have known this little girl was an orphan. Like, absolutely. The little girl can never find out, even if the player connects the dots, so she could never tell the Impostor. Unless I'm mistaken, but I'm confident on this.

I might add, that church that experimented on people? Specifically has a wing called "the Orphanage", from which brilliant minds were raised - as well as brilliant subjects for experimentation.

The Impostor fails even in her own niche.

Let the Calcinator die. Kill it if you have to.
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:02:45 AM

@Newton, if they have no redeeming qualities and have no competition, than yeah.

11111001011 from 1124 Astoria Lane, Peachtree City, GA
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:16:21 AM

[tup] All the ones I missed.

By the way, of all the Complete Monster entries we've had (even counting the ones that do not qualify), which do you think is the most surprising? My pick would be Batman (the version from Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham, to be exact; I had to see it to believe it![lol]).

miraculous The Succubi Queen from south africa
The Succubi Queen
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:16:31 AM

I found this on the character page of Son of the Black Sword

  • Complete Monster: Ormand Plans to commit genocide on the casteless, knowing fully well that they are indeed humans, and that the safety of the world depends on them. House of Assassins takes it up a notch from there with the reveal that the Inquisition has a demon imprisoned in its lowest dungeons. And it's afraid of him.

Sounds like he counts. Anyone read it ?

"At what point did you forget that I am a vampire, Dresden? A monster. A habitually neat, polite, civil, and efficient monster."
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:23:56 AM

Guy from a visual novel. A producer who coerce and force idols under him for sex, and is damn aggressive even towards child stars. Even the supposed Big Bad is better then him since he doesn't resort to molestation and at worst is just a corrupt business man. He is so horrible that it can leave permanent scars in his victims and doesn't care.

ElfenLiedFan90 Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:35:45 AM

oh... whats the vn name?

Hashire Sori Yo Kaze no Yoo Ni.. I don't celebrate Christmas.. Padolu Padolu Current story that I made.
KazuyaProta All the happiness in the world can be found here from Mobius Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
All the happiness in the world can be found here
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:36:38 AM

@Newton. Just EP him. Sounds like a keep

[tdown] Slenderman. As the EP itself notes. He's scary not for being evil, but for being mysterious. Sounds like a fun read.

[tup] Mr. Walker

[tup] Jatemme Manning

Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 6th 2018 at 8:37:20 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Tyk5919 Stupid Sexy Dragon Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Stupid Sexy Dragon
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:47:01 AM

@Miraculous: It's part of a trilogy, and the second and third books haven't been released yet. I do have the book though, so I'll jot it on my To-Do list.

@Polar: I do feel like you're beating the dead horse a bit at this point. :/ I'm abstaining either way, but still.

@Newton: That guy sounds like an easy keeper. A villain doesn't have to murder anyone to be a CM.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Beast from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:49:53 AM

I'd like to see a proper EP on the VN character.

At the very least know the guys name or title of the VN.

Edited by Beast on Dec 6th 2018 at 7:50:37 AM

"It even works underwater." "I'll take your entire stock!"
ElfenLiedFan90 Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you from Jakarta,Indonesia Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Padolu Padolu. I don't celebrate X-Mas thank you
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:50:51 AM

@Tyk True. Some of the C Ms doesnt need to kill anyone to qualify. Akio Ohtori, Kamoshida and Dr. Verloc are a great example for this (The thing that pushes Verloc into CM territory despite not killing everyone is because of his inhumane experiments that has a horrible impact towards other people.)

[up] Man, I kind of wish that I would cover more V Ns right now... As far as I concerned, I only have two V Ns that I want to see. Would be nice if other people recommend some V Ns in P Ms though :/

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 6th 2018 at 8:52:10 PM

Hashire Sori Yo Kaze no Yoo Ni.. I don't celebrate Christmas.. Padolu Padolu Current story that I made.
miraculous The Succubi Queen from south africa
The Succubi Queen
Dec 6th 2018 at 5:56:16 AM

Another character page Cm entry. This time from Ian Brown of The Melissa Allen Trilogy

  • Complete Monster: His willingness to crush Carrie’s already disabled hand puts him firmly in this category.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 6th 2018 at 5:56:33 AM

"At what point did you forget that I am a vampire, Dresden? A monster. A habitually neat, polite, civil, and efficient monster."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Draftsman of Doom
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:01:04 AM

Cut it.

I’ll be back Later with entries for Johnson and J.

"Well no F**kin Sh** lady, Do I sound like I'm ordering a Pizza?"
emperors holders94
holders94
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:11:47 AM

I am back after the break. First, I will downvote both Bloodborne candidates following Polar's reasoning.

ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:17:49 AM

Wait, Polar, I got a question for you: "that church that experimented on people..."...okay, fair enough, but wasn't Willem one of the heads of that church?

Complete Monster Drafts Pending CM Writeups
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:20:29 AM

The guy is Oda from Shining Song Starnova. Unfortunately can't give him a effort post since all the info I got from him is what's in the trope page which tells me enough that he counts. Might once I do more research or watch a playthrough, unless someone wants to take it from me.

AustinDR I'll be watching you. from Inbetween
I'll be watching you.
Dec 6th 2018 at 6:27:03 AM

Honestly, I'm still lenient towards Imposter qualifying. Maybe I'll go with abstain.

[tup] Widows character.

Edited by AustinDR on Dec 6th 2018 at 8:07:02 AM

I'm Santa?! Oh, now I'll never die.
ACW Complete Monster Editor from Arlington, VA (outside of DC) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dec 6th 2018 at 7:24:49 AM

I'll try and trim Reverend Osborne Whitworth myself; Dirty Old Monk seems a good trope for him.

Complete Monster Drafts Pending CM Writeups
Dec 6th 2018 at 7:57:47 AM

Haven’t seen Widows yet so I’m not gonna read the EP right now, but that means though that Daniel Kaluuya has now fought a CM and played a CM.

Speaking of Get Out, has Allison Williams ever fought a CM in something else?

Beast from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Dec 6th 2018 at 8:10:39 AM

So here's something I found online that goes by the title Lightning Only Strikes Once.

The 100 was a YA sci-fi post apocalyptic drama series on the CW. About a century or so after the world was seemingly wiped out by an Nuclear War, a small fraction of humanity survived by living in a civilization in a series of space stations or arks. Laws and government took a pretty strong toll how things where run to solve its problems, primarily population control. The ARK is run by a council although there's always a primary leader called the chancellor and it's decided that 100 expendable delinquent youths would be cast down to earth to see if it was habitable. These youths, primarily led by Clarke Griffin (daughter of one of the councillors), learn that a seemingly savage civilization they call The Grounders. There's entire civilizations of these people divided into twelve clans or kingdoms, all bannered under a young ruler or heda as they call them. The current heda is Lexa, whom Clarke grows close to as they try to find peace between each others people now that the ARK is returning to Earth and things got off on a bad foot between civilizations. Not to mention they where both in clones of with a third culture known locally as the Mountain Men, a more advanced and civilized society based in Mount Weather.

Oddly enough, the series stopped almost part way through season three. Although I hear the producer Jason Rothenberg's plans for the series left a lot to be desired and had a few Unfortunate Implications - probably having to do with off camera drama between him and the cast. Luckily Archive of Our Own patron by the handle fiona_249 was able to find and put together some extra material to give the series and characters a send off.

The work got popular and developed a large following and is even got a web comic adaptation from what I've heard. The plot concerns what would happen if Lexa got shot, and Clarke was struck by lightning at the top of Lexa's tower. Because they where covered in eachothers blood, some magic shit happens and their conciseness are taken back in time to when the series started, except both Clarke and Lexa remember everything of the previous timeline and with their knowledge of the future seek to find peaceful solutions and avoid the conflicts that came from the Bad Future.

Try being the key word here, and it's partially thanks to two candidates, one of whom I'm bringing up now.

Who is Nia ?

The "Queen" of the Ice Nation or Azgeda, Nia is one of the leaders of the thirteen clans of Grounders, with each clan ruling over its own kingdom. For example, you got the Trikru, or the clan that rule over the oceans or the clan that rules overs the deserts. Nia is also a self ambitious, and spiteful crone of a woman, Lexa was chosen as the new Heda of the Thirteen clans and sought to unite them. Resentfil that someone would dare outrank her, Nia noticed the then optimistic Lexa had an equally optimistic girlfriend named Costia, and has her tortured and decapitated her, sending Costia's mutilated head to Lexa as a taunt. She also exiles her son Roan to stay in the Coalition, besides the fact the two already have a hateful relationship. The experience with Costia took a Break the Cutie toll on Lexa over the years before she met Clarke.

At the time of the series, Nia is constantly trying to undermine Lexa's rule and overthrow her, even training and moulding a vicious young girl named Ontari to be placed in Lexa's thrown as a future puppet ruler (why doesn't she take the thrown herself ? Because only a Nightblood can be a Heda; Ontari is one, Nia is not). When Nia is put on trial by the other clans for her crimes, but is shown to have support from the other clans due to a lack of faith in Lexa. This culminates in Lexa challenging Nia to a duel to the death as a show of power, with Nia sending her son Roan in her stead, saying that if he wins his exile will be lifted. During the duel, Lexa defeats Roan but rather than finish him off, throws her spear at Nia, killing her and declares Roan King of the Ice Nation.

...but as of the Cosmic Retcon, Nia is Back from the Dead.

What does she do ?

Early in the story she is a background figure talked about, but doesn't really appear until much down the road. Like in the show she is grooming Ontari in a bid to usurp Lexa, and later put a kill order on her exiled son. In this timeline, Lexa sends to of her confidants Gustus and Titus to investigate things. When Clarke and her friends call down the Ark to land on Earth, they end up landing in the Ice Nation, with Clarke and Alexa starting an expedition to round up the Skaikru (nickname for the Ark people). Nia secretly entered a Villain Team-Up with Mount Weather; selling out some of her own people and the new refugees, Nia sets them up in an attempt to kill Clarke, Lexa and any witnesses to their scheme. That way Nia can make her power play and no one would be suspicious of her. but naturally this fails, but dozens of people are abducted by the Mountain Men.

After the Mountain Men and the initial Arc Villains are defeated, word spreads around of Nia committing treason to the twelve clans by allying with the Mountain Men. The other eleven plan to go to war with her and some of the Ice Nation are planning to turn against her. Unbeknownst to everyone else, Nia shared another team up with the stories other villain, politician Diana Snyder, who's starting her own settlement. Nia gives Snyder land, they give her technology. Together they get to kill those who slighted them. From behind the scenes, Nia has Diana and her people steal a nuclear weapon from an Arkadian settlement, having abducted Clarke in the process. Nia intends to torture and behead Clarke like she did Costia, and sends Lexa a braid of Costia's hair she kept over the years as a taunt.

Nia allows Diana and her people to take over a village in her kingdom to use its people as slaves. Together, the two plan on nuking the grounder capital of Polis and Arkadia, both as a big old power play and a "screw you" to the people. Nia also offers Diana a chance to be her second in command once their little coup is complete, although no actual loyalty between the two. Btw this nuke is estimated to be powerful enough too decimate the whole country. Nia also orders her people from other villages to sacrifice their rations and serve under Diana's. When Clarke is handed over to Nia, Lexa plans a rescue mission that involves faking her death. Nia gets word of Lexa's "death" and uses it to mock Clarke. It also turns out she has captured Gustus and Titus, and been torturing Gustus because Titus would be more useful to her plans with him being a religious leader.

Roan, who is taking credit for Lexa's "assassination", returns to Nia's hideout and brings news that Lexa's "last act" is dissolution of the Conclave system - short version in order to pick a new Heda or leader, a champion from the twelve clans would have to fight the other eleven champions to the death- in favour of using heirs (in this case her surrogate son/little brother figure Aden). When Roan gives Nia the news, and suggests maybe she not react to things she doesn't like with extreme violence; Nia's response ? "If they do not wish for a Conclave, then there will be no Conclave,” Nia says coldly. “We will ensure that the streets run black with dark blood and Ontari shall be Heda.” She gives a smile that seems to have no real amusement in it, and Ontari echoes it. “If Lexa wished her Natblida to die without a fight, then she shall have her wish."

During her captivity, Clarke has been feigning wanting allegiance with Nia, promising her people weapons if kept alive. When word spreads that Aden cleared the borders, Nia begins her pans for attack. Clarke manages to escape along with Gustus and Roan, killing Ontari in the process. Eventually she reunites with Lexa after the latters team pulls off an expedition to get the missile back in safe hands. Nia gathers hundred of her followers planning an all out invasion, while searching her country for Clarke, interrogating and/or torturing potential desenters for information, raiding and razing her own villages. Clarke, Lexa and co rig a radio to monitor Nia's discussions with her army and learn of a successful raid in stealing food rations from across the border. One of her soldiers suggests that maybe they should give these rations to the poor and needy villages in the immediate area...but then Nia orders all the rations to be taken to her capitol to fortify a stronghold; with all the spare food and warriors sent there, willing to risk the deaths of thousands of her people to keep her army strong and have an advantage against her enemies. After some planning against Nia, Clarke and Lexa think "Fuck it, let's just ice the bitch!" and lure her army in the middle of a frozen lake where the set off explosives, which decimates their numbers.

Returning to Nia's castle and blowing half the place up, Clarke and Lexa find Titus who has been tortured to an inch of his life and in need of a Mercy Kill. After that's done, the two are injured in a fight with Nia's soldiers that leaves only Nia herself to deal with. Nia intends to torture the two to death, confident that her people will save her, but Lexa pulls a Heroic Second Wind an disembowels Nia with the sharp end of a bow. Initially Lexa wants Nia to suffer for all she's done, but because revenge feels empty, she and Clark finish Nia off with an arrow to the throat.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

Not a single goddamn one. She's a spiteful Caligula whose willing to risk nuclear armageddon for the sake of her war against Lexa, but sentence nine out of ten of her population to starvation to keep her fortress strong and has her people tortured and their homes burned just to try to hunt down Clarke.

Care for her son is non existent, she seems to despise his very existence; care for Ontari ? She's just a potential Puppet King for her. Care for her people ? Besides the above explained, the majority of them are not loyal to her because of her treatment, and the only ones who are do so out of what they think is necessary to survive, and they are religiously indoctrinated to her into seeing her as some kind of goddess (although to their credit not everyone buys the propaganda). Her narcissism also extends to her refusal to have anyone referred to by their titles in her presence as it meant recognizing another's power. It should also be noted that when she orders her army to withhold rations from her more needy villages, it's mentioned that her soldiers secretly deliver them anyways behind Nia's back and one of them mentions that Nia would see this as "selfish affection for their families". There's her being an ally with Diana Sydney but the two see it as a matter of convenience and openly despise eachother.

Heinous Standard

Now The 100 is one of those shows that has a real dark grey morality button - innocent people and civilians dying on all sides (sometimes at the protagonists hands), Well Intentioned Extremists or Knight Templars on all sides (that sometimes include the protagonists) and interestingly enough the more two dimensional villains either have some redeeming quality pulled out at one point or another, or just plain old don't live to be a genuine threat. As stated at the end of season 2 "Maybe there are no good guys." as a result of the crimes the protagonists commit for their people. The show seems to revolve around what extremes a civilization on the brink would do to survive. Hell one can infer the ultimate villain of the series is the state of the Earth that is making what remains of humanity all the more desperate.

Lightning Only Strikes Once hinges off of a Reset Button and Cosmic Retcon of the whole series up until Lexa was originally shot. Clarke and Lexa (or at least their mental essence) are taken back in time to the beginning of the series with them still remembering everything they went through in the first timeline and aim to do what they can to subvert the damage of that timeline. This includes intercepting plots and threats they originally experienced; taking potential threats out of power - or just strait up killing them in Charles Pike's case before they end up being a threat. And in general doing what they can to prevent the mistakes of their past, in the process saving a lot of lives, and preventing the Moral Event Horizon actions some of the characters. For example, Clarke having to wipe out the Mountain Men's whole civilization (including innocent civilians and children) in the first timeline ? Doesn't happen here, in fact they go out of their way to avoid it (they still execute a helluva lot of Mountain Men after that arc is over though). Long story short, I think LOSO being a "Fix It" to The 100, that a somewhat different standard should apply. However...

Despite attempts to make a Lighter and Softer timeline where there is more obvious Good vs Evil scenarios and less examples of morality overlapping with survival, the grey morality angle is still there just less pronounced; you've still got dystopian civilizations such as the ARK, which executes its people for so much as being a threat to resources and sent 100 delinquent youths down to a potentially hazardous earth (which is something The 100 hinges off in its plot).

You've got the Mountain Men, who abduct Grounders for their bone marrow (which in their defence in a necessity to them as they cannot survive the radiated world - and under Dante Wallace they will only accept it from volunteers - and to their further credit not all the people of Mount Whether accept these "treatments"), as well as turning Grounders feral with the Reaper virus created by Cage Wallace or using an electric "fog" as weapons (it should be noted that Cage does get Adaptational Villainy here, and I did consider him briefly but it's implied he still loves his father despite them having a more intense rivalry here).

As far as the other villains in this story go, we primarily got Cage Wallace and It's Personal with the Dragon Carl Emerson, with Cage getting a bit of Adaptational Villainy in that he's willing to threaten kill children but other than that isn't to special; Emerson seems to be one of the few times I think being "Just The Dragon" counts but to him It's Personal and he also remembers the previous timeline (long story) and feeding Cage information from there; you've got Diana Snyder, a corrupt Ark politician who teams up with Nia in a scheme to nuke civilization to hell for an extremely petty reason; and there's Ontari, who just before her own death tries to rape Clarke after spending much of her time being antagonistically flirtatious towards her. Even then the protagonists killing the villains armies have a "grey" feel to them as they pull the What Measure Is a Mook? card.

With Nia, we get The Caligula who commits the In-Universe taboo of her people by allying with the Mountain Men (selling her people out to them, along with the Skaikru), using her people as slaves to cater to her new allies. She's part of a scheme that would nuke an entire country, and has her people interrogated and tortured, burning down their homes and withholds food from them, merely because she's on a warpath (a warpath she is on out of spite btw). LOSO pretty much ditches the "Struggle for survival" aspects of The 100 in favour for the post apocalyptic colonialism analogy where the biggest moral concerns of the characters are cross culture xenophobia, with a more atypical "You've got your good guys, and you've got your bad guys" story, and Nia is treated as the ultimate evil overlord. On top of the bucket loads of people she's already killed, had estimated attempted bodycount in universe is two countries worth of people at the very least.

Edited by Beast on Dec 6th 2018 at 10:12:49 AM

"It even works underwater." "I'll take your entire stock!"
KazuyaProta All the happiness in the world can be found here from Mobius Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
All the happiness in the world can be found here
Dec 6th 2018 at 8:20:28 AM

[tup] Nia Tepellin

What a weird development behind the scenes.

Watch me destroying my country

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