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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#138151: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:41:00 PM

Oh, hey, I was wondering when someone would bring this guy up. Easy yes to Kortan.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#138152: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:42:59 PM

[tup]Kort

Did I forget to mention that there's a new Ys Game in development? To be specific, it's a sequel.

IPP Wick Check created.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138153: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:43:53 PM

Oh, easy yes to Kortan, great post!

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#138156: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:54:08 PM

[tup] Kortan. Completely forgot about this guy.

It's Spooky Month!
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#138157: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:55:01 PM

[tup] Mage, Dillon and Kort

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#138161: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:37:00 PM

My abstention on Poe is due to the scene where he seemingly goes out of his way to spare a kid, even though he gets a lot of children killed later on.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#138162: Dec 1st 2018 at 9:25:33 PM

Sure on the candidates that I missed.

Anyways, finished a game called The Lost Child. I don't think nobody counts despite the game itself is influenced by Persona and Cthulhu Mythos. The only one that came close IMO is Cthulhu himself but there are two issues that I have. First thing is I felt that he's outclassed by Ra (who doesn't count) in terms of heinousness and the second that he claims to defeat Ra for greater good even if he was a personification of chaos. But I'm not sure if I make a case for him and man, Ra can almost count for MB if he didn't resort to Smug Super tendencies in the end so yeah...

Oh! And whoops... I will have a test starting on Tuesday, not Monday. But even then, wish me luck for passing this college test guys!

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:42:07 AM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#138165: Dec 1st 2018 at 10:57:10 PM

[tup]poe and kortan

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138166: Dec 1st 2018 at 11:51:33 PM

Alright, I filed the de-potholed Luna.

Leaning yes on Poe, but HT raises an interesting point.

[tup] Kortan. So what ends up happening to him?

Fun fact: Kortan's voice actor is "Lawrence Bayne", which itself sounds like a B-movie villain [lol]

[down] Goddammit just bugs me

Edited by ACW on Dec 1st 2018 at 2:57:26 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#138168: Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:23:12 AM

Kortan. So what ends up happening to him?

Ramirez causes the remaining missiles to blow up before they can be launched, causing the entire evacuated base to collapse. As Quentin walks away from the rubble, we see Kortan's arm sticking out of it, and it twitches. End series.

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#138170: Dec 2nd 2018 at 2:53:51 AM

[tup] to Keeveny the Mage, Dilton Poe and Kortan.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#138172: Dec 2nd 2018 at 4:54:41 AM

Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:59:25 AM

Watch me destroying my country
MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
#138174: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:52:32 AM

Now that's december, how many Christmas themed CMS do we have ?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138175: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:06:12 AM

Hans Gruber (I don't care WHAT Bruce Willis says. Die Hard is the greatest Christmas movie ever).

There's also Black Wolf.


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