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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#138101: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:32:54 AM

Honestly than ep Murai than. I'm curious and it looks like a case could indeed be made now.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#138102: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:49:57 AM

Did before, but didn't approve last time with this time probably going to be different. However I'm going to hold off that until next week considering how busy I'll be. Unless someone else wants to do it, then be my guest.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#138103: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:56:50 AM

I forgot where does Murai come from though?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#138104: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:59:38 AM

Ninja Gaiden Black. With the changes of Cliff due to a few errors in his entree, and some more information needed to add, Murai might actually get counted this time.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#138105: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:08:27 AM

Oh! And btw, since I did the writeup for Sara. Think I've got a quote from her. Lmk what are your thoughts on this:

  • Sara Warren: [To Rokumichi] "I won't kill you because you're my precious specimen. The one I'll kill should be your girlfriend. There are many ways to kill her, but it would be boring if she died instantly. Let me see... Should I burn her to death? It seems interesting. I haven't witnessed something like the execution of the witches in a long time. The fire will also spread from the bottom, so you can see her desperation. Ah! There's also the scream!"

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 1st 2018 at 8:09:02 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138106: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:41:27 AM

Yes to the quote.

Would we be doing Black!Murai or the original X Box version?

For that matter, is the Cliff from the original NG 3 or the Razor's Edge one?

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#138107: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:57:35 AM

[up] Its been 4 years since I proposed Cliff, but I think it was the original.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#138108: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:38:03 AM

[tup] Mido and Fyzen Gor. Fyzen really was shockingly vile considering how lighthearted Last Shot was overall.

Edited by TommyFresh on Dec 1st 2018 at 7:39:56 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#138109: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:53:37 AM

Alright Shagnasty.

  • Original : Shagnasty, the Skinwalker or Naagloshii, pulls no punches in demonstrating what a horrific creature it is by kidnapping Thomas, torturing him by flaying him alive until his vampiric Healing Factor is about to give out and then giving him a random, innocent woman. Since by this point, Thomas has completely lost control of his Hunger, he winds up raping them to death. The Shagnasty did this, probably the most disgustingly cruel thing you could possibly do to someone trying to be a Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, multiple times, for no other reason than because it enjoyed it,

  • Rewrite : "Shagnasty" is a Skin Walker or Naagloshii sent by the Black Council to disrupt the investigation into the titular traitor and delights in causing pain in his victim's and tortures them with sadistic glee. Attacking the Raith mansion, he sadistically massacres several of the personal there and maims and cripples several others even breaking off and eating the fingers of Lara Raith's sister's just for fun. Capturing Thomas, he has him tortured by having him hung up and than ripping strips of skin off him, piece by piece. When Thomas' vampiric Healing Factor is about to give out, "Shagnasty" than gives him a random, innocent woman some as young as 16 and since by this point, Thomas has completely lost control of his Hunger, he winds up raping them to death. "Shagnasty" than repeats the process over a dozen times simply to satisfy his sadistic whimes proving himself one of Harry's most sadsitic and deadly foes.

Thoughts ?

Yeah I know it's bigger but not by much and the original only focused on one thing he did (Its the thing that got him listed but it isn't his only deed )

Edited by miraculous on Dec 1st 2018 at 8:14:45 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#138111: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:07:46 AM

Here are mah writeups

  • Angel Cop: Lucifer is the leader of the aforementioned Hunters, a group of psychics out to stop terrorism. A self-righteous sadist, Lucifer doesn’t care who stands in her way, viewing everyone who tries to stop her brutal murders as an accomplice to the Red May. When Hacker and Peace take Tachihara with them, Lucifer tortures a scientist for information, causes a massive pile-up on a highway, and kills Peace in front of Hacker to torment him. When Asura and Freya refuse to partake in her murders, Lucifer labels them as traitors and kills Freya. Participating in a massacre at the Special Forces base, she kills Ichihara and Asura before trying to drain Raiden of his energy.

  • Legendary: The Box: Orlando/Ormand LeFay is an evil businessman who wants to take over the world with an army of interdimensional creatures. By tricking art thief Charlie Deckard into opening Pandora’s Box, he ends up opening a portal that allows various creatures to invade and start an apocalypse. Uncaring for the millions of lives lost, LeFay plans to use the Box to lure the creatures to New York, where he will use them to conquer what’s left of the world.

Edited by therealjackieboy on Dec 1st 2018 at 8:10:31 AM

It's Spooky Month!
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#138112: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:10:52 AM

Not a bad expansion Mir!

Anyways, in Monday, I'm going to have a final test for 3rd semester of my college. Wish me luck guys although I'm going to swing once in a full moon if I have time.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 1st 2018 at 11:11:43 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#138113: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:23:04 AM

Good luck man.

Btw Corpseaker is going to take a few days.

My digital copy of Ghost Story is busted. So I'm getting a new one today. The dialogue is weirdly garbled in the old one like so:

Lifo is hard.

Dying's easy.

So many things must align in ordor to croato lifo. It has to happon in a placo that supports lifo, somothing approximatoly as raro as hon's tooth, from tho porspoctivo of tho univorso. Paronts, in whatovor form, havo to como togothor for it to bogin. From concoption to birth, any numbor of hazards can ond a lifo. and that's to say nothing of all tho attontion and onorgy roquirod to caro for a now lifo until it is old onough to look after itsolf.

[lol]

Edited by miraculous on Dec 1st 2018 at 8:23:27 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138114: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:34:31 AM

Good luck Elfen!

[up] Looks like the E is screwed up (which makes me wonder how "after" isn't "aftor" [lol])

After watching the cutscenes, here's Frieza:

  • Budokai: Frieza is the Villain Protagonist of the first game's What If? story "Raging Frieza" & "The True Ruler". He becomes enraged when he's beaten to the Dragon Balls and thus can't become immortal, and fights the heroes. In succession, he defeats and presumably kills Gohan, Piccolo, and—after powering up—Vegeta and Goku. He successfully wishes for eternal life, then blows up Namek, after which he flies to Earth, planning to destroy it as well.

Edited by ACW on Dec 1st 2018 at 11:37:14 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#138115: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:44:36 AM

And yeah, dont worry for tomorrow as I'm still going to be active. Although when test in starting I'm going to decrease my activity a little bit but still try at my best to found the way to be active.

Also mir... Can't wait for the Corpsetaker expansion and thats actually a funny dialogue right there [lol]

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 1st 2018 at 11:45:01 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#138116: Dec 1st 2018 at 10:44:23 AM

[tup] to Einosuke Mido and Fyzen Gor.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#138117: Dec 1st 2018 at 11:38:30 AM

A little rewrite for Leo included.

  • Kamen Rider Amazons: The Last Judgement: Einosuke Mido/Kamen Rider Amazon Neo Alpha is the militant anti-Amazon director of the Amazon Livestock Project and one of the worst examples of a Boomerang Bigot in the franchise. As a human-Amazon hybrid working for the pro-human leader of 4C, Mido keeps the original Alpha as his slave and routinely takes his cells to raise herbivore Amazon children, which he brainwashes with the nihilistic philisophy that they are born to serve humans, converting an orphanage into his own Amazon Farm. When the orphans are ready, Mido sells them to rich humans and they are butchered to be made into exquisite food. After one of his orphans retaliates by killing an important politician who would greenlight his project, Mido is furious to see that such "cattle" could "dare defy noble humans" and rampages through the orphanage and outside, gunning down several orphans in his path while informing them that "cattle don't need dreams".
  • Paradise Lost: Leo/Kamen Rider Psyga, the Lion Orphnoch from this alternate continuity and its prequel Lost World, is, like his inspiration—the aforementioned Kitazaki—a normally calm yet cruel Blood Knight who is feared by humans and Orphnoch alike. Leo was given the Psyga Gear after having found an extremely injured Murakami and demanding an Emperor Belt for himself, or else he would leave him to die. Placed under the supervision of Murakami, Leo joined Smart Brain's paramilitary solely to kill humans and have a chance to fight with other Orphnoch, leading the Riotroopers in the genocidal campaign against the human population. Introduced murdering three members of his own race with no hesitation, Leo participates in attacks against the Human Liberation Army at their sanctuary, personally killing Kusaka and leaving several civilians dead or injured, later taking the opportunity to bomb the place. Shortly after kidnapping Mari, Leo tried to stop Takumi from saving her, intending on having her executed on live-televesion.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Dec 1st 2018 at 6:05:53 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138118: Dec 1st 2018 at 11:46:54 AM

  • Star Wars: Last Shot: Fyzen Gor is a criminal from Utapau. Once a medical student who gained a dark affinity for droids, Fyzen harvested his best friend for 'parts' and spent times in desert wastes raiding villages to take and butcher sentients, including children, to adorn his droids. Upon being forcibly recruited into a criminal syndicate, Fyzen betrayed and murdered his leader before continuing to slaughter untold numbers to cannibalize for parts for his droids. Plotting a droid revolution Fyzen creates the Phylanx to send a signal that will overwrite the programing of droids throughout the galaxy and replacing it with an order to slaughter sentients until the New Republic itself collapses under the tide of blood to follow.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138119: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:00:17 PM

Crow: I'm guessing Mido goes at the end of the Amazons tree?

Lighty: Where should Kyzen go chronologically? Between the films and Clone Wars? Before Krennic? Before Vidian? Somewhere else?

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138123: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:19:03 PM

Orrrr...before her, wherever the last of the pre-sequel trilogy goes.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#138124: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:25:17 PM

Between Vidian and Aftermath trilogy then?

BTW, here's what I'm using for Gorgon: A modified version of your original writeup:

  • The Gorgon: Tomi Shishido was a Child Prodigy of dizzying ability who, at a young age, founded the mutant supremacist group called the Dawn of White Light that launched multiple, brutal terrorist attacks across Japan that claimed many innocent lives. when he was eighteen, he joined the Hand, slaughtering his own family to show he had no ties elsewhere. Shishido, now called the Gorgon for his mutant ability to turn humans to stone with a look, captured Wolverine and brainwashed him into a killing machine that claimed many innocent lives, and the lives of heroes such as Northstar. When deprogrammed, Wolverine killed the Gorgon, who was later resurrected. The Gorgon quickly took a leadership role in HYDRA, eventually ousting Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, and revealed a disturbing habit of turning innocent women into stone as decorations for his chambers.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#138125: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:26:08 PM

After Aftermath. It's set chronologically afrer (Fyzen's main plot anyways)


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