During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Gentle Laborer
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Previous candidates
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I'll de-pothole Allende when the new candidates are written up.
Favours. Are he and the other dude the only 2 candidates?
the good Colonel.
Sorry for the absence yesterday, all. I'll say easy yes to our long-awaited Red Dead 2 candidates.
Caine... shit, I swear we've brought him up before with the ruling that he lost his mind to the serum. If there's explicit evidence that isn't the case, I'll go with yea on him.
Edited by Scraggle on Nov 18th 2018 at 4:37:05 AM
Favours.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
I found an unauthorized pothole over on Incorruptible Pure Pureness, referring to the book series The A.D. Chronicles.
- The A.D Chronicles series, being a Biblical historic fiction series about people affected by Jesus during his time on earth, has more than a few examples.
- Jesus himself, obviously, although this series shows exactly how pure and how remarkable it is even better then the Bible at some points. The series is set during one of the most violent periods of Roman occupation; most of the Roman rulers (and quite a few of the Jewish ones) are Complete Monsters, most of the religious leaders are corrupt, self-serving, or stubborn, and quite a few of the main point-of-view characters aren't exactly saints.
We don't have any entries from that series, so the pothole probably needs to be changed or cut. If anybody wants to check out the series to see if anyone counts, be my guest.
to Favours.
Now the only person left to EP that might or might not qualify is Colm.
Carrot Clone
Red Dead Duo
to Favours. The man is just as bad as Allende.
Lizzid people!
Red Dead duo.
@ Scraggle, He was and voted down on the basis of agency. Beast sounds pretty convinced on it but thinking this one through in entirety, I'm not sure just saying a gorilla is naturally aggressive when the movie tries to make a point that the serum drove it to rage entirely defeats the argument. Fiction ain't gonna always get its science right, after all.
Also, yes to Favours.
The MILF Virus
Favour
@Tyk I checked the To-do list and I saw you list Rogue Galaxy. Let me say this now, nobody counts. Candidates like Valkog and Norma care about each other, and the hidden evil happens to have a "tragic backstory". I only say it like that because it's poorly executed, but still a bit valid and really she just shows off in the end of the game very much like a force of evil rather then a character.
"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Yes to Colonel Farley errrr... I mean Henry Favours.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
@43: Mmm... I'll retract my vote for Caine then. I'm not going to say no, but I'm going to see this in a bit more detail myself, I think.
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
@Scraggle Welcome back mayne.. Just wanting to say that I put another candidates that is almost similar to Fitzroy and Fuller a day ago so thats something :3
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Sebastian's write up will come up soon. Decided to give Colm a shot soon, and theres a pthers I'm sitting on at the moment.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Btw... A question that I want to get out of my chest:
Has anyone here watched Trinity Blood anime and make a case on Cain Knightlord?
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
I've been meaning to get to Trinity...
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Oh... Kind of wanting to do it btw @Lightysnake but if its yours... Then ah well. Wanna see if Cain qualifies.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Nov 18th 2018 at 9:48:09 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
for Colonel Henry Favours.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
This week's batch, in case anyone missed it.
Minor thing to notice on the batch but on Sabrina's YMMV page someone altered Lighty's writeup, saying they were "Clearing up the Ambiguous Syntax". Personally, I think the original reads fine and don't have any trouble following it but here they are for comparison so we can have consistent entries whichever way we go:
- Altered reads as: The demon known as Madam Satan, real name Lilith, murders a teacher to steal her identity and proceeds to manipulate Sabrina towards her damnation. She helps Sabrina exorcise a demon from a mortal, only to murder said mortal in secret to make it a failure. She later sacrifices innocents to summon the vengeful witches known as the Greendale Thirteen, so they in turn can summon the Angel of Death to attack the town and kill every firstborn. Finally, after succeeding in manipulating Sabrina into signing Satan's book to stop them, she reveals her true identity before eating the principal alive, gloating that she will arrange Sabrina's fall and become the Dark Lord's queen.
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Colonel Favours.
Well, I guess Edmund Lowry is next then?
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Colonel Henry Favours
Watch me destroying my country