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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#136601: Nov 17th 2018 at 3:20:11 PM

Oh, that seems...interesting, to say the least.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#136602: Nov 17th 2018 at 3:23:35 PM

  • Masami Sakurane from Happiness: 1, 2
  • Buddy Complex: Evgeni Gedar is a 90-something year-old Bizon Gerafil, a Zogilian pilot sent to the past, revealed in the final three episodes of the show to have become the new leader of the Zogilian Empire under a new name. Even back under his old name, he already had an obsession with his childhood friend, Hina Ryazan, and tried to seek vengeance against his personal enemy, Watase Aoba, because he saw Aoba interacting with Hina. At one point, he then forces Hina to do Coupling, causing Hina physical pain. After his time-traveling experience, it was revealed that he was the pilot who tries to kill Aoba during the first episode, and is planning to seek revenge against Aoba after more than seventy years. To this end, Evgeni then overtakes the Zogilian Empire through a Military Coup and orders his soldiers to build a large cannon in space. After Aoba and his companions tries to stop his plans, Evgeni then sacrifices his own men so that he could use the cannon as a test drive, and also to lure in the Alliance members. After one of his subordinates is disgusted by his actions and tries to arrest him, Evgeni then spitefully tries to obliterate the Earth using his cannon in his last moments. Whatever redeeming qualities Bizon might've originally had are obliterated by Evgeni, who ultimately was a spiteful, cruel and petty individual that tries to satiate his vengeance for his wounded ego and pride.
  • Eudemon Quest animation: Xue Ya is a demon intending to resurrect the evil Dragon King. Sending a spy inside the Tian Wu academy, he also sends students to aid her to pass the tests by injuring other contenders. When Chu Xiao Gou is revealed to have the Dragon King sealed inside him, Xue Ya sends his spy to protect him. Eventually launching a invasion to the Tian Wu academy, Xue Ya starts killing a guard before sending his followers to kill as many students as possible before fighting against the School Chairman, actually the Feng Tian Qing/ Eudemon King. Defeated, Xue Ya uses his loyal spy as a Human Shield and hostage, threatening to rip her neck.
  • Happiness: Masami Sakurane became fascinated by vampires when one attacked his sister. Seeking to become one himself, Sakurane murders animals, and then children to drink their blood. Manipulating Yukino Gosho to take possession of the vampire Yuki and leaving Gosho for dead after cutting her neck, Sakurane forms a cult called the Blood of Happiness where he continues his murders. When Gosho finds them, Sakurane horrifically tortures her and even forces her to stab Sudo, the man who loves her, when he tries to rescue her. Eventually having Yuki torn apart to eat his brain, Sakurane begins murdering his followers and tries to kill Gosho for her blood as well.
  • Kirby: Right Back at Ya!: Nightmare, or eNeMeE in the dub, is the scheming puppetmaster behind the entire series. Through his galactic conglomerate empire Holy Nightmare Corporation (Nightmare Enterprises in the dub), Nightmare manufactures the Demon Beasts to sell to the whims of unsavory buyers for their own destructive purposes, using his influence to conquer or destroy entire planets while viciously putting down rebellion—the time he twisted Knuckle Joe into a monster, forcing his friend Meta Knight to put him down, and then wiping out the rest of his resistance, being simply one example. In the present, Nightmare pumps out Demon Beasts to Pop Star and speeds up the asteroid Gerath to crash into Pop Star to destroy it, and in the finale, Nightmare destroys Cappy Town and even kidnaps the young Tiff to trap Kirby in a horrific nightmare. Drunk on his own power and remarkably vile for the source material, Nightmare stands as possibly the darkest villain in the fluffy Kirby franchise.
  • OPUS: The Masque, the main villain of Chikara Nagai's manga, Resonance, leads a cult known as "The Nameless Faith" that releases people from their individuality shell. Prior to becoming the Masque, he was a sadistic Serial Killer who killed around 6 children, stripping them naked afterwards, Driven by Envy of their good looks. After becoming the Masque, he then brainwashed several people, including the police chief, who is the acquaintance of Satoko, Resonance's protagonist. When Chikara travels through his own manga in order to retrieve the prototype that was stolen, the Masque then changes the authorship of the manga without Chikara's permission and tries to erase the world of the manga entirely to avoid his fate, while mocking Chikara that he can't save his own manga, and sends the brainwashed chief to kill Satoko. After Chikara and his companion travels through the past volume, and when the past version of the Masque accidentally found out about the manga based on him, the past Masque then kills a fatally wounded police officer, Sawamura, which changed the outcome of the ending. Despite his claims, the Masque is only obsessed with complete control towards other people, and ultimately strives to become a god in order to remake the world in his own image.
  • Resident Evil franchise:
    • Biohazard: The Wicked North Sea Light Novel, by Kyū Asakura: Countess Mylène Beardsley is the seventeenth head of the prestigious Beardsley family and a woman with an immense superiority complex. An enhanced human, Mylène constructed a laboratory under her castle to conduct unnecessary experiments on villagers and her servants. Having infected Kate with the Neo T-Virus, Mylène tries to trick Rain into consuming a soup with human eyeballs. In an act of rebellion against Umbrella, Mylène broke her experiments out of containment and released a nerve gas on her own guests. Fancying herself as a being "superior in everything from brain to appearance", Mylène's ultimate goal was to stand at the top of Umbrella and control the world. A rich, teenaged low-functioning psychopath whose methods were questioned by Umbrella itself, Mylène was an example of how dangerous sadism and narcissism can be if combined in one single person.
    • Resident Evil: Degeneration: Dr. Frederic Downing, a member of WilPharma, is the one behind the events of the movie. Previously a scientist for Umbrella Corps who stole samples of the t and G-viruses before Raccoon City's annihilation, he planned to sell them and a vaccine through the black market as controllable, profitable bioweapons, later unleashing them on various countries as a way to pitch them to potential buyers. Finding a buyer in the form of General Miguel Grandé, he unleashed the t-virus onto Harvardville Airport that resulted in a zombie outbreak, blew up several vaccine trucks to disguise the incident as a terrorist attack, blew up a WilPharma building to kill Claire Redfield, and injected Curtis Miller with the G-virus, all as a way to create a pitch video for Grandé.
  • Zoom, real name Hunter Zolomon, is a sociopathic speedster from Earth-2 and season 2's Big Bad. Originally a Serial Killer with 23 victims to his name, after getting Super-Speed, Zoom reveled in terrorizing Central City. Left dying from abusing the Velocity drug, Zoom kidnaps Jay Garrick, the Flash of Earth-3, hoping to steal his speed to save his own life. When this fails, Zoom steals Jay's identity, acting as the Flash to create hope for the sake of destroying it as Zoom, while imprisoning the real Jay as a trophy. When the breaches to Earth-1 opened, Zoom plotted to force Barry Allen to become faster in order to steal his speed. Sending metahumans with orders to kill the Flash, Zoom also posed as Jay to earn Barry's trust. Over the course of the season, Zoom murders dozens of people, innocents, police, and his own minions alike. Confronting the Flash for the first time as Zoom, he brutally beats Barry, fractures his spine, and displays his broken body to all of Central City. Zoom also holds Harry Wells's daughter Jesse hostage, using her to try and coerce Harry into stealing the Flash's speed for him. After being cured of his condition, Zoom decides to terrorize Earth-1, unleashing an army of metahumans on Central City. When his army is defeated by the Flash, Zoom kidnaps Barry's father Henry, then murders him in front of Barry. As his endgame, Zoom intends to use a doomsday device to destroy the entire multiverse, sparing only Earth-1 to keep as his personal domain. A brutal, sadistic maniac devoid of remorse, Zoom is a terrifying monster who darkens every scene in which he appears.
  • Buckskin: America's Defender of Liberty:
    • Mr. Brockman is a Nazi spy masquerading as a schoolteacher. Manipulating a group of children into spreading his propaganda, he then kidnaps them and forces their munitions factory worker fathers to bomb their workplaces under pain of their kids' deaths. Brockman keeps the boys in poor conditions, regularly whipping them for talking too loud. He has no intention of keeping his deal, either, planning to frame the fathers as the masterminds and kill the children as a loose end.
    • The Black Buzzard is a fanatical Nazi who aims to destroy the largest arsenal in the United States. To test his plan, he has a bunch of guards dosed with a horrific poison that makes them melt to the bone before shooting down a transport plane. His scheme proven sound, the Buzzard proceeds to have every guard between him and his target poisoned. He then goes on a kamikaze run, intending to crash a plane full of explosives into the arsenal in broad daylight, risking the lives of thousands.
  • Castlevania: The Belmont Legacy: Dracula, completely bereft of his game counterpart's tragic backstory or charisma, is a vampiric beast who time and time again has risen from the grave to combat his ancient enemies the Belmonts, with a penchant for impalement and slaughter. Upon being risen through blood sacrifice, Dracula completely disregards the fanatic loyalty of his servant and mocks Christopher Belmont by defiling the grave of his ancestors, later kidnapping his wife Illyana Belmont and tearing out the neck of their friend, turning him into a vampire and siccing him on his own friends. Even seemingly defeated, the comic ends with the reveal that Dracula's previous attempt to force himself on Illyana resulted in the corruption of her unborn baby—all to his plan.
  • Wayward: Nurarihyon, lord of the Yokai, seeks to blend the future and the past to create a world where he and the Yokai rule. Keeping the mystical Weavers as slaves while having any inconveniences in the past exterminated by the Yokai, Nurarihyon becomes aware of the new "breed" of empowered beings in the present before torturing and murdering heroine Rori Lane's mother. Eventually torturing a murderer to turn him into an Oni, Nurarihyon unleashes him upon his enemies with no need for thousands of casualties as Tokyo itself risks being bulldozed. Believing the "future starts with fire", Nurarihyon is willing to destroy anyone and anything to secure his position as the master of the future.
  • Wolf Moon, by Cullen Bunn et al.:
    • The Wolf itself is a Skin Walker; the spirit of an Evil Sorcerer who hijacks the bodies of innocents, and on the full moon changes into a savage bipedal wolf so it may go on killing sprees and kill for pleasure. The Wolf slaughters multiple innocents, leaving a bloody trail that goes back centuries, and those who it takes over are left shattered and traumatized with many of them having killed their families or loved ones during the change. During the course of the comic, the Wolf causes a massacre in Kentucky, escaping attempts to kill it while wracking up a greater body count along the way.
    • Farris is a former host of the Wolf. Seeking to recapture the power it gave him in addition to curing his disease, Farris hunts down other former hosts, torturing and murdering them to harvest their organs. Killing a hunter who attempts to destroy the Wolf, Farris later kidnaps its current host, a teenage girl, and kills her father when he comes to rescue her. Performing a ritual to take the Wolf back and heal himself, Farris intends on unleashing the beast within to kill for sport, savoring the idea of becoming a predator again.
  • Demolition Man: Simon Phoenix, a psychotic criminal from the gang-ruled era of Los Angeles in the late 20th century, indulged in theft, kidnapping, rape, arson, and murder to his heart's content. He holds 30 people hostage and demands a ransom when in fact he had already killed them all, and frames John Spartan for their deaths. They are both sentenced to cryo-stasis and only woken up in 2032 when the new city of San Angeles has become a crime-free nanny state. Simon breaks out of confinement by gouging out a guard's eye to bypass the retinal scanner and indulges in his freedom to be a maniac and spread chaos again, brutally murdering almost everyone who gets in his way. It turns out he was unfrozen by the benevolent dictator Dr. Raymond Cocteau to assassinate Edgar Friendly, the underground Rebel Leader who has been trying to undo the oppressive system. Simon sets out on this task with murderous glee, killing many innocent bystanders in the process. He eventually teams up with his old gang after they're unfrozen and murders Cocteau to start a new lawless dystopia. He starts by unfreezing every violent criminal locked up in the cryo-prison, before gunning down all the technicians because he no longer has any use for them.
  • The Golden Child: Sardo Numspa is a mysterious sorcerer who tries to abduct the boy with mystic powers known as the Golden Child, intending to murder him so that he could unleash the hordes of demons from Hell that would invade the Earth. To this end, he and his men went into a Tibetan monastery and slaughtered several monks, while Numspa wastes no time kidnapping said child; it was revealed that he ordered his men to kill some children so that he could harm the Golden Child. When a social worker, Chandler Jarrell, interferes with Numspa's plan, Numspa then negotiates with Chandler to give him an artifact known as Ajanti Dagger, and when Chandler refuses, Numspa then leaves a burning mark as a warning and then lets his men torture Chandler when trying to save a young lady, Kee Nang, in his dream. After Chandler obtains the dagger, Numspa tries to have Chandler arrested, and when Chandler manages to escape from his clutches, Numspa sends his men to attack Chandler, and kills Kee Nang after the latter tries to protect Chandler from harm.
  • Goth (2003): Goth is a zealot who believes that the "true" goth lifestyle involves committing random acts of violence fur fun. She kidnaps a young couple, Crissy and Boone, to teach them her ways. She commits various atrocities, such as raping a man, forcing Boone to cheat on Crissy under pain of mutilation, and torturing an old man. She eventually drugs Crissy and tricks her into killing Boone and everybody at a party, succeeding in her goal in making Crissy just like her.
  • Hush: The nameless Serial Killer is introduced gutting Maddie's neighbor Sarah on Maddie's front steps. When he realizes Maddie is deaf, believing she's easy prey, he torments her relentlessly, with clear intent to torture and rape her if the mood takes him. When Sarah's boyfriend John arrives, the killer murders him too and decides to kill Maddie's cat and nail it to the door. When Maddie fights back, the killer traps her hand in the glass door and brutally stomps on it out of spite for being injured. It is also revealed that he's got at least 12 other victims from similar "outings".
  • Overlord (2018): SS Hauptsturmführer Wafner is the head of a Nazi operation in a French village to create a secret weapon using a black tar that can mutate humans and raise the dead. Wafner has innocent villagers horrifically experimented upon, subjecting them to horrific agony while having failures burnt alive. Wafner has any troublesome villagers experimented upon, while blackmailing the girl Chloe for sex by threatening the life of her brother Paul. After being captured when he attempts to rape Chloe, Wafner escapes with Paul as a hostage, attempting to have Paul experimented upon too. Intending on creating a Nazi empire that encompasses the world, Wafner believes himself to be a god when he utilizes the serum himself, even torturing Corporal Ford by impaling him on a meat hook and gloating about his glory, thinking nothing of the pain and death he causes to create his Reich.
  • Scalps: Black Claw is a renegade Indian who practiced black magic. Long dead, his spirit haunts an Indian burial ground. In the opening of the film, Black Claw kills a man by forcing him to slit his own throat after he tries to steal one of Black Claw's possessions. When the main characters try to take his possessions, Black Claw possesses one of them and has them rape one of the women before killing her. He proceeds to kill the group one by one. When the person he is possessing is killed, Black Claw takes control of the one member of the group who actually tried to talk the others out of stealing his possessions and has her kill the last member, before killing an innocent professor and apparently deciding to keep killing people who come into the area for fun.
  • Shotgun: Fletcher Rivington is a slimy lawyer with a hand in drugs, prostitution, and crime throughout Los Angeles. Opening the film by ordering Rocker to murder an entire bar of people when they refuse to sell their land to him, Rivington is later revealed to be a vicious sexual sadist who regularly beats prostitutes, whipping them to within an inch of their lives. After beating one to death in a violent rage, Rivington is pursued by Ian "Shotgun" Jones, who begins breaking up his operations and thwarting his schemes, at which point Rivington has one of his own minions murdered to keep him quiet, then has Jones's best friend gunned down. In the end, Rivington executes Rocker when he tries to rat him out, and gleefully reveals his attitude that hookers were meant to be abused, and that with his money and power, he is given a free pass to anything.
  • Supersonic Man: Dr. Gulik is a Mad Scientist out to Take Over the World. To this end, he kidnaps a scientist who invented the world's most efficient fuel, massacring everybody in the military base he was in to do so. He tries to get his rival to give up by means of torture, and tries to kidnap his daughter when he refuses. Not caring that his plans could very well lead to humanity's demise, Gulik kills more soldiers in order to steal some fuel to tide himself over. Killing two goons who failed to capture the girl, Gulik doesn't let them live even after learning their claims of being stopped by Supersonic Man were true. Gulik decides to enact a plan to lure Supersonic to him, by threatening to kill the scientist, his daughter and the population of Manhattan. When Supersonic Man arrives to confront Gulik, Gulik destroys his base and leaves all his men to die with his foe.
  • The Whisperer in Darkness : P.F. Noyes, an enigmatic Bostonian gentleman who greets Albert Wainworth in his trip to Vermont, is actually the leader of a cult dedicated to the extraterrestrial Mi-go. Noyes lends his full aid to having loose ends murdered by the Mi-go and luring those too much in the know—like Henry Akeley, and Albert himself—to extract their brains and keep them locked away in jars for the Mi-go's uses. Noyes fully intends to let the Mi-go gain passage to Earth and doom humanity in the process, all for the sake of the knowledge he'll gain in return, and tortures one of the people the Mi-go have kept in jars when he expresses horror at this, up to the point where his brain is agonizingly burnt out.
  • Zombie Cop: Dr. Death is a voodoo priest and drug lord. After escaping punishment for killing 17 people, Death becomes a Serial Killer who mutilates children for his rituals. Mortally wounding the cop who tried to stop him, Death places a curse on his nemesis so he'll rise from the grave and rot alive. He then press-gangs his former lieutenant to help him in a new killing spree so he can use the corpses to create a zombie serum, which he plans to dump in the local elementary school's water supply to zombify the kids away from their parents' sins.
  • Joe Hunter series, by Matt Hilton: The Serial Killer known as Tubal Cain is dubbed "the Harvestman" for his habit of killing people and taking bones as trophies. Murdering an old man and his wife, Tubal Cain is robbed by hero Joe Hilton's brother John by chance, and later recoups himself by murdering an innocent couple. Upon learning John is expecting a deal with a great deal of money involved, Cain holds off while killing other innocents before trying to murder John. Surviving his fight with Joe, Cain seeks revenge by kidnapping John's ex-wife Jenny and her children, intending to murder them, and even carves off her finger, intending to slowly kill her to achieve his retribution.
  • Mithgar:
    • The Iron Tower: Modru is Gyphon's right-hand man and, as Gyphon is mostly inactive, is Gyphon's most active agent in Mithgar, nearly bringing the world to ruin during the War of the Ban. Five thousand years later, Modru instigated the Winter War as part of a plot to free Gyphon, sending Vulgs to raid the Boskydells, and a horde of his Spaunen to raze Challerain Keep. Controlling his armies by projecting his will through brain-damaged mind slaves and executing any minions who defy him, Modru spread warfare to every corner of Mithgar, from the Boskydells—where his Ghuls torch dozens of towns and butcher numerous families, including those of protagonists Tuck and Merrilee—to the far south, and makes it clear to the captive Princess Laurelain that in the event of his victory, he will exterminate the Warrows, enslave the Elves and Dwarves, and burn her father and all his subjects in a single great funeral pyre. When Elven Lord Vanidor tries to rescue Laurelain, Modru has him racked to death, forcing Laurelain to watch. When Tuck attempts to free her, Modru beats him near to death with an iron bar. In the end, Modru attempts to sacrifice Laurelain to ensure Gyphon's return, gloating that while he could have used anyone's blood to feed his master, it amused him to use that of "a royal damosel".
    • The Eye of the Hunter: Baron Bela Stoke is a sickening fusion of evil aristocrat, necromancer, Mad Scientist, and Torture Technician. His standard MO is to move into a region whose people are unfamiliar with him and begin abducting the locals so he can perform horrific, Mengele-esque experiments on them until they die—with the addition of potions that both increase painful sensations and keep victims alive longer than naturally possible—and then uses their corpses in his necromantic rites. He keeps this up for centuries, leaving a swath of gruesome murders behind him while racking up a body count at least in the hundreds, possibly into the thousands. At the end of the novel, he reanimates the corpses of his victims into a legion of undead warriors he intends to use to conquer the world, apparently just for fun, and indicates that he'd murder his own father—and mentor—Ydral if he felt it necessary.
    • Silver Wolf, Black Falcon:
      • Ydral is the chief servant of the evil Gyphon after Modru's death. With a legacy of evil going back millennia, Ydral is a vicious half-fiend who murdered the best friend of hero Aravan, and fathered the evil Baron Bela Stoke via the rape of Bela's mother. Ydral taught Bela all about torture and murder before abandoning him, later resurfacing to mentor Kutsen Yong of the Golden Horde and driving him to horrific atrocities while conducting blood sacrifices on titanic levels, all while torturing his victims to death. Ydral later abandons Kutsen Yong after killing countless innocents to dedicate temples to Gyphon, trying to summon Gyphon with blood sacrifices to devastate the world, all so Ydral can rule over what's left.
      • The aforementioned Kutsen Yong leads the Golden Horde on a campaign of violent slaughter, massacring entire lands and cities and establishing brutal rules that result in countless innocents of all ages executed. Seeking to become the mortal regent of Gyphon, Kutsne Yong has countless innocents sacrificed and delivered to Ydral while taking possession of the dragonstone to force dragons to raze entire cities. When he learns of Mithgar and its high king, Kutsen Yong's ego demands he ride to destroy Mithgar in a titanic war, Kutsen Yong willing to stop at nothing to dominate the world and bring for Gyphon to make him the supreme king of all he dreams.
  • Nothing Lasts Forever, by Roderick Thorp: In this novel which Die Hard was based on, Anton "Little Tony The Red" Gruber is a terrorist known for targeting industrialists and executing them. Taking over Klaxon Oil's building in LA, Gruber executes several of the executives and holds 75 hostages there, with only Joe Leland stalling his plans. Gruber eventually guns a hostage down trying to get at Joe, while revealing his true plan is to escape and detonate his explosives to wipe out the hostages, the building and everything and everyone half a mile all around in downtown LA.
  • Unsub by Meg Gardiner: The vicious Titus Rhone, nicknamed "the Prophet" by the public, bases his murders around Dante's Inferno. Having killed a woman in his 20s for being a "tease", Rhone suffocates a professor of Eastern religions; stabs a woman with multiple marriages; feeds a couple to attack dogs; tortures and drowns other victims; and burns an atheist couple alive, all for the sadistic thrill he gets. Returning later for a new killing spree after laying low, Rhone kills multiple innocents, even twisting two victims' heads 180 degrees with his bare hands while they scream in agony. Rhone then targets the heroes with more torture and murder, even attempting to detonate bombs to collapse San Francisco's infrastructure and kill hundreds of thousands while educating a new disciple to carry on his gruesome work after he is gone.
  • Chilling Adventures of Sabrina: The demon known as Madam Satan, real name Lilith, murders a teacher to steal her identity and proceeds to manipulate Sabrina towards her damnation. She helps Sabrina exorcise a demon from a mortal, only to murder said mortal in secret to make it a failure. She later sacrifices innocents to summon the vengeful witches known as the Greendale Thirteen, so they in turn can summon the Angel of Death to attack the town and kill every firstborn. Finally, after succeeding in manipulating Sabrina into signing Satan's book to stop them, she reveals her true identity before eating the principal alive, gloating that she will arrange Sabrina's fall and become the Dark Lord's queen.
  • Mr. McGuire, from season 1's "...and the Fables of Doom", is a seemingly-kindly old librarian who discovers a magic book that can give strength to the user. Using it to drain the life of a little girl and more innocents, he begins unleashing fairy tales on the local town to terrorize them, all while continuing his "stories" to the child. McGuire reveals he intends to kill everyone in the town via harvesting their lives, gloating that he has given so much to the town and now they can give him their lives in turn.
  • Resident Evil: Degeneration: Dr. Frederic Downing, a member of WilPharma, is the one behind the events of the movie. Previously a scientist for Umbrella Corps who stole samples of the t and G-viruses before Raccoon City's annihilation, he planned to sell them and a vaccine through the black market as controllable, profitable bioweapons, later unleashing them on various countries as a way to pitch them to potential buyers. Finding a buyer in the form of General Miguel Grandé, he unleashed the t-virus onto Harvardville Airport that resulted in a zombie outbreak, blew up several vaccine trucks to disguise the incident as a terrorist attack, blew up a WilPharma building to kill Claire Redfield, and injected Curtis Miller with the G-virus, all as a way to create a pitch video for Grandé.
  • SCP-4666: Also known as "The Yule Man", this Humanoid Abomination resembling a tall, European elderly man is a Pagan entity who has been annually killing humans worldwide since ancient times. A prolific Serial Killer who commits his atrocities only during Christmas season, the Yule Man stalks families living in isolated regions before invading their homes and ritualistically torturing the people inside in front of each other; his methods include holding their feet above the fireplace until their bones are exposed; impaling them with kitchen instruments; pulling off their limbs by brute force; and removing pieces of flesh from the back, neck and groin. After the torture has ended with the death of his victims, the Yule Man places the youngest child in a sack with other children and takes them to his sweatshop, a cave filled with mud and bones, where they are forced to work for him in making toys from the remains of other children, until they are either devoured, starved to death or turned into toys themselves. Aside from beating the children who wouldn't work hard enough, the Yule Man would also burn them or bite off their fingers. When a little girl named Ekaterina Morozova couldn't work because she was sick, the Yule Man forced her friends to replace her eyes with painted pebbles, sew her mouth with tendons and remove her scalp to turn her into a living life-sized doll.
  • Pathfinder:
    • Szuriel, archdaemon, Seraph of Devastation and Horsewoman of War, is the worst of Pathfinder's evil deities. A former paladin, Szuriel became a conquering empress who had every member of her former faith crucified in revenge for her excommunication. Following her death, she became a daemon, and murdered her way to the top of Abaddon's hierarchy, eventually slaying the previous Horseman of War and taking his title. In her new rank, Szuriel represents war at its most terrible, celebrating societal breakdowns, scorched earth campaigns, and ethnic cleansing. Hiring out her daemons to those who pay the most, Szuriel inevitably turns on her employers, after forcing the campaign to degenerate to the point where mutual genocide is the only way it can end. Forging weapons in the heat of burning human souls, and reveling in violent excess, Szuriel demonstrates what happens when a Physical God adopts the mentality of the most sadistic Psycho for Hire.
    • The Chaotic Evil dragon god Dahak, the False Wyrm, is the son of the Lawful Good Apsu. Having murdered many other Dragon Gods, Dahak found pleasure only in destruction and created the metallic dragons to hunt for sport. Escaping into the mortal planes where he killed and destroyed at will until he was found by Apsu, Dahak's dogma focuses on spurring his followers to hunt and murder the innocent—especially metallic dragons. Dahak even created Hell as a place of torture and suffering, all while seeking the genocide of good dragons, while intending to destroy even the chromatics eventually and to kill his hated father once and for all.
    • Tar-Baphon, known better by his moniker of the Whispering Tyrant, is one of the most dangerous villains to rise from Golarion. Even before becoming a lich, the man Tar-Baphon was a necromancer, envious of the god Aroden and seeking to attain godhood himself. He has attempted to Take Over the World twice; his first attempt as a mortal man ended when Aroden slew him, but this was part of his plan all along. Thousands of years later, after he had been forgotten, the Whispering Tyrant rose as a lich, and began his conquest in earnest. He conscripted the orcs of Belkzen and subjugated Ustalav, raising the fallen on both sides as undead servants and expanding his power all across Avistan. The Whispering Tyrant reigned supreme for five hundred years, centuries filled with blood, unleashing servants like Socorro and engineering mass Human Sacrifice in his attempts at godhood. When the Shining Crusade, led by Aroden's herald Arazni, attempted to put a stop to him once and for all, the Tyrant went out of his way to capture, humiliate, and torture Arazni to death, before throwing her mangled body to the crusaders to shatter their faith. Driven by his envy of Aroden, his ego, and his all-consuming desire to have the entire world under his boot, the Whispering Tyrant remains one of the most feared beings on Golarion.
    • Curse of the Crimson Throne: Kazavon was at one time The Champion of Zon-Kuthon, God of Envy, Pain, Darkness, and Loss. While all of Zon-Kuthon's followers tend to be a nasty bunch, with a penchant for torture and self-mutilation, none of them, including possibly Zon-Kuthon himself, has ever come close to the level of atrocity perpetrated by Kazavon. Essentially Vlad the Impaler in the form of a sixty foot Blue Dragon, Kazavon disguised himself as a human mercenary and offered to help the nation of Ustalav drive out the invading Orc hordes. Upon his victory, Kazavon set himself up as the dictator of the borderlands area, where he ruled with an iron fist, torturing to death all those who disagreed with him, including many of the soldiers who had served him faithfully up to that point. When his employer tried to rein him in, Kazavon flayed the man alive. He would go on to achieve truly special heights of depravity, holding torture parties, and orgies involving the undead, spreading his influence throughout the entire area, and having entire villages impaled for his entertainment. Kazavon was eventually killed by a party of heroes, but the madness didn't stop there. The pure evil of his soul contaminated his skeleton and threatened to resurrect him. The bones were crafted into seven Artifacts Of Doom and hidden throughout the country; contact with even one of them is enough to drive the wearer down a path of madness, murder, and ultimate self-destruction. When Queen Ileosa dons the crown, Kazavon gives her the power to murder her husband, turn Korvosa into a Police State, unleash the Blood Veil plague against the city's poorest citizens, and drain the lives of thousands in an effort to gain eternal youth.
    • Second Darkness: Allevrah Azinrae was once an Elven cleric of Nethys, God of Magic, and a hero in the nation of Kyonin. That was before she, with the aid of the Demon Lord Abraxas, conceived of a plan to exterminate the drow. When the fellow members of her conspiracy refused to go through with the plot, Allevrah murdered her critics, let her rage transform her into a drow, and fled to the drow capital of Zirnakayinn, where she murdered the matron of House Azinrae and took it over. Desiring revenge on Kyonin, Allevrah plans to drop a meteor on the capital; if successful this plan will wipe out Kyonin and trigger an ice age that will kill most life on the planet. After a failed attempt at using the city of Riddleport as a test target, Allevrah retreats to the Land of Black Blood below Kyonin, where she prepares to summon her meteor. She also allows her lover, who is terrified of her, to perform hideous experiments that reduce the victims to masses of screaming black liquid, cuts deals with an aboleth mind rapist and a neothelid, feeds prisoners to ropers, and orders her troglodyte henchman, Ornn, to eat a charda colony's children if they do not cooperate with her. Driven solely by hate, Allevrah shows just how far even the best person can fall.
  • Bendy and the Ink Machine: "Alice Angel", actually Susie Campbell, is the Arc Villain of chapters 3 and 4. She was once an actress, but her role as Alice Angel was recast, leaving her heartbroken. Years later, she took up Joey Drew's offer of "Bringing Alice to life" by becoming her using the ink machine. It went wrong, leaving her a deformed clone of Alice. She became obsessed with being "Perfect" and captured several ink creatures and tortured them to death to extract their ink. She makes a deal with Henry Stein to help him out of the factory if he does several tasks for her, all the while being ruthlessly unpleasant to him at one point almost getting him killed by Bendy as a sick joke. After fulfilling her tasks she repays him by crashing the elevator and kidnapping Boris. In chapter 4, she mocks Henry over the microphone about the horrible things Boris is going through. When Henry finally gets to her lair, it's revealed that she experimented on and lobotomized Boris into "Frankenboris", and tries to have him kill Henry. After Henry is forced to kill his former buddy, she tries to kill him herself out of spite.
  • C-12: Final Resistance: Major Dan Carter is a high-ranking official within the alien army. A former soldier aiding the resistance, Dan defected and joined the aliens once he realized humanity was losing the fight, and willingly allowed himself to be turned into a cyborg. As a cyborg, Dan helped the aliens kill members of the resistance and kidnap humans so they could be converted into cyborg soldiers for the aliens' armies. After the resistance starts to heavily sabotage the aliens' plans, Dan kidnaps his own wife, Dr. Carter, in hopes of having her turned into a cyborg, and also in an attempt to incapacitate the resistance's morale. When Dan discovers that the aliens plan on poisoning Earth's atmosphere in order to wipe out all life on the planet, Dan is more than happy leaving humanity to die all so he can save himself.
  • Call of Cthulhu: The Official Video Game:
    • James Fitzroy, the charismatic captain of the ship that brought the passengers to Darkwater, is revealed to be one of the higher members of the cult that worships Cthulhu. When Edward Pierce investigates the mysterious tunnels in the Hawkins family's mansion, it's revealed that Fitzroy sacrificed his own cult members under the pretense that their minds and bodies will be merged together with their master. In addition, it was revealed that Fitzroy conspired with Riverside Institute's Dr. Fuller by greenlighting the latter's sickening experiments, as well as that he was behind the shootout at a criminal syndicate territory. After Pierce encounters the cult near the end of the game to save Sarah Hawkins, Fitzroy willingly tries to cause the apocalypse to happen by summoning Cthulhu, and proves his seriousness by taking the occultist librarian, Algernon Drake, as a hostage in order to force Pierce to do the ritual.
    • The aforementioned Dr. Thomas Fuller, head physician of Riverside Institute and a member of the crew that found Leviathan, uses his new discovery to slake his thirst for knowledge to "end the Gods" themselves. Fuller, using the serum extracted from Leviathan's flesh, experiments horribly on dozens of innocents in the basement of Riverside Institute, leaving countless insane, mutated, and in pain, and countless more killed, with his morgue and laboratory clogged with corpses and body parts. Fuller experiments on Edward Pierce when he falls into his clutches, murders the single level-headed doctor in his employ when she tries to stop the experiments, and is even revealed to have been keeping Sarah Hawkins in his lab in preparation for Darkwater's cult to use her to end the world by summoning Cthulhu.
  • Call of Cthulhu: The Wasted Land: Docktor Kaul is the head of the Cult of the Awakened, Cthulhu cultists who seem to dominate the world. Kaul has countless innocents killed in his attacks, wiping out towns with monsters and weapons alike to harvest the souls of dead civilians and soldiers to create undead monsters to send against civilians and the enemy. Kaul even forces victims to participate in horrific breeding experiments with monsters to produce half-human beasts, with a high fatality level for the unfortunate humans. Kaul intends on turning his creations upon the world to exterminate humanity, leaving a new race he himself reigns over.
  • Shining Resonance (includes Shining Resonance Refrain):
    • Georg Zalbard, the captain of Beowulf, the group of knights who pleaded their loyalty towards the Sanguine Church of Lombardia, initially seems to be the loyal knight that serves the princess of Lombardia, Excella Noa Aura. However, he has a hidden agenda of his own. To this end, he sends the dark elf, Beatrice, to spy on Excella's moves, and in the last chapters of the game, he drops his facade and betrays Excella by killing her father, and incriminates her as a traitor of the empire. In addition, he also conspires with the top scientist of Beowulf, Joachim Reubens, in order to revive the god that the Sanguine Church worships, known as Deus, and when Georg and Joachim argue about Georg's lieutenant, Zest Graham, being the true inheritor of Deus, Georg then kills Joachim in cold blood after being called a heretic by the latter. After this, Georg then drains Yuma Ilvern's power of the Shining Dragon with a sword known as Gjallahorn, which renders Yuma unconscious. After Deus is revived, Georg tries to fuse himself with Deus, and it was revealed that he had the intention to cause the apocalypse to happen so that he can purge all of the heretics and the weak, leaving behind the people who are judged worthy just like him.
    • The aforementioned Joachim Reubens, "the sinful alchemist", is the top scientist of Beowulf, who has a penchant for performing unethical experiments on other people, including Yuma Ilvern, and Loves the Sound of Screaming after torturing them. It was revealed that in the past, he conducted an experiment on the Le Shiella twins, Marion and Ette, to the point that the latter got killed by said experiment. After Ette's spirit inhabits Marion's body, Joachim wastes no time conducting horrible experiments on Marion so that he could turn her into his personal Tyke-Bomb by forcefully implanting an occult eye her which causes her physical pain, and brainwashing her by replacing her current personality into Ette. In the last chapters of the game, he and Georg also betray Excella in order to revive Deus, and after finding out that Zest is the suitable inheritor of Deus, Joachim betrays Georg and calls him a heretic. In his last moments, Joachim coldly mocks Georg that he still needs him in order to revive Deus.
  • The aforementioned Naberius, the Fallen Savager, the Poet of Agony, is a depraved Tulpa wicked by even their usually low standards. Having helped kick-start the Heaven Cycle that has led to trillions of deaths, Naberius uses his time to harvest, torture and murder countless innocents while also resurrecting the depraved Alice Witzenberg to commit their crimes. Naberius destroys the city of Solomon and trillions within before taking the chance at the final Cycle to collect as many humans as he can before revealing his Pocket Dimension where he keeps trillions of innocent being in endless suffering, in pain from eternal tortures he devises. Naberius even forces them to breed so he will never run out of new victims to torture, and attempts to subject Tango and the others to the worst tortures he can think of. One of the worst beings in heaven or hell, Naberius constantly shows why his boast of being ten times worse than even Chayne Summers herself is nothing idle.
  • Genkins "The Trickster" was part of a false pantheon of God's "cosmic powers" meant to trick other species. He grew bored with the "mundane" nature of the universe and so eagerly accepts the titan Chrovos's offer of legitimate godhood in return for helping him out of the eternal prison. He then uses time travel abilities given by Chrovos to set off a chain of events and setting the Reds and Blues up. Later, he exploited Wash's PTSD he gained from a battle injury to deteriorate his mental state. To ensure Wash had a mental breakdown when he found out, Carolina kept how bad the injury was a secret, thus inspiring the Reds and Blues to go back in time to stop the injury. When the cosmic Agent Huggins finds out that they intend to alter time and attempts to tell the cosmic powers, Genkins sadistically murdered her by generating a mini black hole—knowing black holes were her biggest fear. After confronting and revealing his true nature to Grif in the past, he makes Grif think the team won giving his friends enough time to save wash...only for Genkins to reveal he wanted them to save Wash as doing so would cause a time paradox, thereby shattering time to free Chrovos. He succeeds as time shatters, freeing Chrovos and allowing Chrovos and himself to remake the universe In Their Own Image.

Edited by ACW on Nov 21st 2018 at 10:14:16 AM

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#136603: Nov 17th 2018 at 3:57:20 PM

All right, I made the To-Do Lists its own separate page; noticed it was consistently growing on the Drafts page. There's a link to it on both the Drafts page and the Discussion Dates page.

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#136604: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:01:32 PM

[up] Good idea.

BTW, Lighty, you wanna reformat the D&D stuff, so I can swap?

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#136605: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:06:42 PM

Two small things.

First, you may have noticed I put in some minor edits to Rejiek's entry on the DD Reformat page. Just reworded the first sentence into one-and-a-half for better flow, plus a little extra in the second, and added a sixth and final pothole to the first. Just in case nobody noticed.

Second, I found a quote about Ser Otto Alrik. "The Knight Commander is at least sincere in her convictions. However misguided she is, she believes she's helping people. Ser Alrik's a sadist. Cold-blooded as a lizard." Good enough for the quotes page?

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#136606: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:12:34 PM

Good quote.

I cut the Disposable Vagrant pothole, as there's the limit of 5.

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#136607: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:16:25 PM

Leaning [tup] for the Venom duo if only for being super normal compared to Bats' other rogues.

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#136608: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:55:48 PM

Ok, so, this has been a long-time coming. It's about a week after the discussion date for Red Dead Redemption 2 and I just beat the game yesterday. I'd like to thank everyone for being patient with me. Now, the candidate I'm about to discuss involves twists that pretty much spoils the entire plot of the game, so if you haven't beaten the game yet and don't want to know, stop reading now.

So, what's the work?

Red Dead Redemption 2 is the prequel to Red Dead Redemption, starting off in 1899 and focusing on the decline of the Dutch Van der Linde Gang. The game follows Arthur Morgan, the right-hand man of Dutch Van der Linde, who is trying to help his mentor and his gang survive following a botched robbery in the town of Blackwater. Soon, the group finds themselves in more trouble than ever as they're put up against corrupt businessmen, rival gangs, cannibal rednecks and the Pinkerton Detective Agency that's hunting them. However, their greatest threats end up coming from within the gang itself. That brings me to the first candidate...

Who is Micah Bell?

Micah Bell is an outlaw and recent addition to the Dutch Van der Linde Gang circa 1899. Micah’s been riding with the crew for a few months and joined because he was told the group was tough. The exact circumstances are vague but he apparently saved Dutch's life over some stolen gold. From the beginning Micah is depicted as the not only the token psychopath, but also a racist, sadistic asshole who’s hated by most of the group, save for Dutch, who’s good graces Micah managed to weasel his way into through frequent ass-kissing.

What has he done?

Throughout the first few hours of the game, Micah establishes himself as a surly, confrontational jackass. After he discovers and harasses the traumatized Sadie Adler, who was recently raped and widowed by the O’Driscoll gang. Dutch yells at him to stop then adopts Sadie into the gang, even though they’re low on supplies, on the run and desperate.

The big moment Micah shows just how psychotic he is comes after he and another gang member, Lenny Summers, visit the town of Strawberry. Micah murders two men in a bar fight—with Micah later implying to Arthur that he did so because one of the men insulted him during a game of 5 Finger Fillet. Lenny gets away but Micah is arrested and Dutch sends Arthur to rescue Micah before he hangs.

The first thing Micah does after Arthur frees him is shoot his cellmate who tries to follow him out, justifying it by saying he was an O’Driscoll. Then, instead of them escaping on horseback as Arthur intended, Micah goes on a killing spree throughout Strawberry, dragging an unwilling Arthur in his wake. Micah’s rampage eventually takes them to the house of Skinny, an old associate of Micah’s. Micah kills him then guns down his widow and reveals the reason why he killed all those people... to retrieve his guns. Arthur is enraged that they just murdered "half a town" just so Micah can get his guns back. Micah gives Arthur an offhand holster for his guns to calm him down, and trys to guilt Arthur into not speaking out to Dutch against him by saying they’re both, "Sons of Dutch. Makes us brothers. And sometimes brothers make mistakes."

In order to make nice with Dutch, Micah decides not to return to camp until he can bring the boss a peace offering. He ropes Arthur into helping him rob a stagecoach owned by recurring enemy, the robber baron Leviticus Cornwall. Afterwards, Micah returns to camp and spends most of his time accompanying other gang members on missions, creepily hitting on the women at the camp, and sucking up to Dutch. He’s present for the gang’s failed schemes to rob the feuding Gray and Braithwaite families, the failed bank robbery at Saint Denis, their shipwreck on the Isle of Guarama along with Arthur, Dutch, Bill and Javier, and the gang’s constant pursuit by Agent Milton of the Pinkerton Detectives.

As things go more and more wrong for the group and members start dying, Micah never expresses any concern or sadness over the gang’s implosion. When Sean Maguire is gunned down in Chapter 3, Arthur is distraught and calls Micah and Bill out on carelessly leading them into an obvious ambush, but Micah displays no remorse for getting the young man killed. Later, after Hosea and Lenny Summers are killed by Pinkertons during a botched bank robbery in Saint Denis, Micah writes off their deaths as "just one of those things" when Arthur brings it up. He also tried to arrange a "peace talk" with Dutch’s nemesis, Colm O’Driscoll, which ended with Arthur being taken hostage, tortured, and used as bait for Dutch. Arthur manages to get out on his own, but the game is ambiguous whether or not Micah anticipated the ambush or really was that stupid. Hell, at one point he even menacingly teases the three-year-old Jack at camp in front of John.

It’s only once the gang is fully reunited in Chapter 6, that Micah is revealed to be the biggest threat to the gang, and the game's true Big Bad. Almost immediately after Dutch, Arthur, Micah, Bill and Javier return to the rest of the group, Agent Milton finds their hiding spot and opens fire on all of them with a Gatling gun, including the non-combatant women and Jack Marston. The group manages to fight off the attack, but Dutch’s sanity, which has been steadily declining over the course of the game thanks to the gang’s repeated failures and deaths, now takes a nosedive.

With Dutch on the cusp of becoming the paranoid psychotic he was in the first Red Dead, Micah speeds the process along by corrupting him and whispering lies in his ear about Arthur betraying him. Arthur, at this point, is slowly dying of tuberculosis and is trying to do some good for the group before the end. Unfortunately, Micah's efforts are sabotaging his own.

Micah convinces Dutch to "talk" with Leviticus Cornwall, essentially asking the man that’s been trying to kill them to hand over ten thousand dollars and provide the Van der Linde Gang a boat to escape the country. When Cornwall predictably turns the offer down, Dutch immediately guns him down, and it’s revealed that the true plan—which Micah implies was his all along—was to get documents to help them rob Cornwall’s businesses. Arthur, Dutch and Micah manage to get away after killing Cornwall, though they have to shoot their way through the Pinkertons to do so.

Dutch’s ultimate plan in the final chapter is just the same as it was in every other chapter, get enough money so that his gang can flee the country and start over in some unknown paradise. To that end, Micah has Arthur and Bill steal some dynamite and then sends Arthur and John to blow up a bridge that will force the U.S. Army to send money and supplies to repair it. Meanwhile, Dutch is fanning the flames between the local Wapiti Tribe and the U.S. Army. Dutch claims both sides get what they want: Dutch’s gang is getting attention taken away from them and put onto another target, and the Wapitis are finally getting revenge on the government for their abuse. The fact that the Wapitis have no chance of winning is something Dutch is either too deluded to realize, or doesn’t care about. It’s ambiguous. It’s also ambiguous whether or not Micah convinced Dutch to encourage war between the Wapitis and the U.S. government or that was purely Dutch’s decision.

Oh, and it’s implied Micah kills the gang’s dog, Cain. When Jack can’t find him, Micah tells him the dog ran away, and if Arthur confronts him over what happened, Micah laughs.

By the time of the final heist, Micah’s influence has caused the gang to divide into two factions, one that backs Arthur (made up of John Martson, Charles Smith, and Sadie Adler), while the other backs Dutch (made up of Micah, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuela), with the non-combatants either fleeing or caught in the middle. The final heist is a train job, during which John Marston gets shot and Dutch and Micah supposedly go to save him, only to lie afterwards that he was dead. When another camp member, Tilly, comes by and reveals John’s wife (ok, technically they aren’t married yet but everyone looks at them as such and they might as well be) Abigail Roberts has been kidnapped by Agent Milton, Micah successfully convinces Dutch to abandon her as well.

Arthur and Sadie Adler go off to rescue Abigail on their own, and Milton reveals the shocking truth… that Micah has been informing on the gang since they got back from Guarama! Ok, honestly, the only thing shocking about it is that Micah has only been informing on them since they got back from Guarama, and that all of his previous destructive actions weren't intentional acts of sabotage to destroy the gang. Either way, Abigail kills Milton, and Arthur returns alone to reveal the truth of Micah being the rat. Dutch doesn’t believe Arthur at first, but the Team Mom, Miss Grimshaw, does and aims her gun at Micah, telling him to lower his weapon. When John comes stumbling back to camp, Micah uses the opportunity to murder Grimshaw and hold Arthur and John at gunpoint. The standoff his interrupted by the Pinkertons attacking and Dutch’s group runs while Arthur and John try to escape on their own.

The end of the game has Arthur making a choice either to help John escape to his family by holding off the Pinkertons, or abandoning John to go back in an attempt to get revenge on Micah and Dutch, and take the money. Either way, Micah ambushes Arthur and the two engage in a final fight which is interrupted by Dutch’s arrival. Micah tries to convince Dutch that Arthur is lying about him being a traitor, but Dutch finally accepts the truth of Micah’s betrayal, seems to be horrified by what he ended up doing to someone he loved like a son, and he leaves them both, despite Micah calling out to Dutch to stay. Then, depending on the player’s final choice and honor ranking, Arthur is either stabbed or shot dead by Micah, or dies from his tuberculosis, looking peacefully at the rising sun. There’s no real reason given for Micah not finishing the job in a high honor play through, since he just petulantly storms off after Dutch leaves him, but in a low honor play through, Micah’s dialogue implies that Micah hates this version of Arthur more for acting like he’s better than him even though he’s just as bad.

Anyway, that’s the end of Chapter 6. The game then has a playable epilogue with a Time Skip and a switch to a new protagonist, just like in the original. Only this time the new player character is John Marston. The final mission of the game is teaming up with Sadie Adler and Charles Smith to finally kill Micah to avenge Arthur’s death. Sadie, who’s become a bounty hunter, says that Micah now leads a gang of twenty men and has been up to bad shit in the time since. Recently, Micah killed an entire family, except for a little girl who managed to escape. When John tracks down Cleet, Micah’s old associate who helped with the train robbery all those years ago, Cleet reveals that the only reason the little girl survived is because Cleet stopped Micah from killing her, and Micah tried to kill him instead.

John shoots his way up the mountain to where Micah is hiding, and Micah promises to "visit" Abigail and Jack Marston after John’s dead. They have a brief fight where Micah is revealed to actually be a beast of a gunslinger, and it only ends after Sadie gets the drop on Micah. Unfortunately, it turns out Dutch is also present because Micah offered him another team up. There’s a Mexican Stand Off where Micah takes Sadie hostage and tries to convince John to join them. The conflict is only resolved after John convinces Dutch that Micah is a traitor and a monster, and Dutch shoots him, to which Micah responds by laughing and saying, "You shot me… You shot me pretty good." Then John enters Dead-Eye mode and fills Micah with holes. Micah looks shocked, takes a few steps, then throws up his arms in a "What the fuck just happened?" kind of gesture before falling over dead. John thanks Dutch who wordlessly walks away and leaves behind the money in their cabin.

Is he heinous by the standards of the story?

Like GTA, the heinous standard for Red Dead is pretty high, especially since the games seem to be set in the same universe as GTA 4 and 5. The protagonists do some pretty shady stuff and kill a lot of people who don’t deserve it. That being said, I believe Micah counts. Not only does he take part in most of the same bad actions that Arthur does, he goes on to do his own, worse, independent actions, out of greed and sadism, as opposed to Arthur doing it out of loyalty to father figure, John doing bad things to save his family, or Dutch doing bad things because he's losing his mind.

On his own, Micah shoots up half a town, then murders an old "friend" and his wife just to get back his guns, sells out the Van der Linde Gang to the Pinkertons to save himself (which risks the lives of around twenty people, half of whom are non-combatants like John’s family), betrays the Pinkertons by killing their employer then gunning down a lot of their men in Annesburg, murders Miss Grimshaw and possibly Arthur, kills an entire family on his own, attempts to murder a little girl and attempts to murder another "friend" for stopping him from doing that action. Pretty much every other member of the gang except Dutch despises him, and Dutch only likes him because of his Sanity Slippage causing him to be paranoid and Micah’s brown-nosing works in convincing Dutch that he’s loyal. Even then, after Dutch has gone mostly crazy in the epilogue, he still helps kill Micah after finally realizing what a monster he is.

Does he have any redeeming or sympathetic qualities?

None that I can see. You can find a letter at camp from Micah’s brother, Amos, who used to ride with Micah. Amos says that, while he’s glad to hear Micah is alive, he’s turned his life around and has a family now, and if he hears that Micah is within twenty-five miles of his daughters, Amos vows to kill Micah himself. Given what we find out about Micah’s willingness to kill children in the epilogue, it’s no wonder his brother doesn’t want him around.

While the rest of gang starts off as True Companions (even Bill Williamson who gets some surprising depth), Micah never displays any care for the rest of the group. When Sean, Lenny and Hosea die, Micah doesn’t give a rat’s ass. He hates Arthur and John no matter what and tries to kill them both, creepily hits on the women at camp, intimidates the toddler of the group and even kills the Team Pet.

The only person Micah has some ambiguously positive feelings for is Dutch. While his stated admiration could just be a way to secure his position in the group, sometimes when he talks with Dutch he sounds like he’s worshipping him. At the end of Chapter 6, Micah seems to genuinely want Dutch to come with him and gets pissed off when Dutch bails on him instead. There’s also the fact that during the epilogue he’s still keen on teaming up with Dutch again even though it’s years later. However, in the end, I don’t think it’s a redeeming quality. Not only did Micah corrupt Dutch and drive him further to insanity, he also sold him and his gang out to the Pinkertons to save his own life, and when Arthur confronts him about it, Micah expresses no remorse. He justifies himself by saying he’s a survivor and that all that matters is living and dying, and making sure he’s doing the former. It’s an echo of a nihilistic rant that Micah earlier gave to the gang during a camp conversation, where he claims that life is a meaningless series of events and sensations between birth and death, with no hope of salvation nor any point to doing good.

In the end the only person Micah is confirmed to be 100% loyal to is himself.

Conclusion?

I say yes. He’s a greedy, sadistic bastard with no redeeming qualities who disgusts even other hardened criminals in the game.

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#136609: Nov 17th 2018 at 4:57:09 PM

Having played the game and discussed with you, I'll give a [tup] on Micah.

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#136611: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:01:51 PM

I'll read the full effortpost tomorrow, but dude seems like an exemplary Token Evil Teammate. I DID find this:

  • Even Evil Has Standards...
    • He will not kill the terminally-ill Arthur if the latter proves to have become a better person than him.

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#136613: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:12:17 PM

[tup] To Bell

What about Colm O'Driscoll? Are you going to discuss him later or is he not heinous enough to qualify?

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#136614: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:12:39 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, like I said, the game doesn't call attention to Micah sparing Arthur in that scenario. Micah just petulantly storms off. I got the high honor ending so I didn't even know there were endings where Micah would kill Arthur until I saw them myself. In the ending where Arthur goes for the money, Micah takes out his knife, says it's been "real fun" then stabs him to death. In the low honor ending where Arthur helps John, Micah shoots Arthur after saying, "You aren't better than me!" He also laughs at his corpse afterwards and spits on his body. Granted, this is only my interpretation, but with that level of hate, my personal belief is that Micah just hates low honor Arthur more for acting like he's superior to Micah when his actions don't back that up.

[up] Personally I don't think Colm is heinous enough to count. There's only one stand-out action I can think of that he does while the rest is either offscreen or committed by his men on their own. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though, if Beast wants to take a shot at him.

Edited by OccasionalExister on Nov 17th 2018 at 5:16:11 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#136615: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:12:40 PM

[tup] Micah, I've waited so long to say that. Regarding him not killing Arthur, it's more of a karma meter gameplay feature - he doesn't stop himself from finishing off Arthur, he just walks way with him already on deaths door. He had no reason to finish him off and except for spite in the bad karma.

G-Editor: OE here granted me premission to EP Colm, but I'm currently writing something else up right now.

Edited by Beast on Nov 17th 2018 at 7:13:48 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#136616: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:16:01 PM

Is Colm really worth a shot though? If I remember correctly he doesn't do much and has the lowest body count in the game, but I might be false.

Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Nov 17th 2018 at 2:16:46 PM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#136617: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:16:59 PM

BTW, dude who voiced Micah also voiced fellow Rockstar CM Harlan Fontaine.

Dammit tongue Now I'm curious what said standout action is.

Edited by ACW on Nov 17th 2018 at 8:17:26 AM

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#136618: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:16:59 PM

[tup] Don and the Batman duo.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#136619: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:17:01 PM

Yes to Micah. I will handle a certain colonel soon enough from this game

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#136621: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:21:50 PM

[tup] Dan, Don, Porter, Slaycroft, and Micah.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#136622: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:25:04 PM

[tup] Micah Bell

[tup]Dr. Randolph Porter a

[tup]General Timothy Slaycroft

Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 17th 2018 at 8:26:41 AM

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#136623: Nov 17th 2018 at 5:28:41 PM

I think I'm gonna peace out for a few days until this Red Dead 2 talk ends.

I'm not gonna play that game for years, if I know myself.

Have fun and congratulations OE for getting the EP out.

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009

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