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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#135226: Nov 5th 2018 at 2:18:32 PM

[tup](Micky) Mouse

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#135230: Nov 5th 2018 at 2:33:16 PM

[tup]Jerry Mouse

IPP Wick Check created.
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#135232: Nov 5th 2018 at 2:54:04 PM

[tup] Big Mouse, though I think part of that is due to poor writing.

This game is quite bad. If you wanna experience it, The Super Best Friends - specifically Matt and former member Liam - did a pretty fun LP of it.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#135233: Nov 5th 2018 at 2:54:16 PM

[tup] to the big mouse for complete monster status. (I love this sentance out of context)

Things are really about to get Fun around here
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#135234: Nov 5th 2018 at 2:56:24 PM

[tup] for Big Mouse.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#135235: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:01:32 PM

Okay, second Devil's Third candidate, the one that I'm kind of iffy on.

Who Is she?

Ludmilla Karenina is a high ranking Russian member of the SOD, leading a special unit that makes use of optical camouflage to deceive and overwhelm enemy forces.

What has she done?

In the past, she assists Big Mouse in his biological attack on the unnamed city, fully aware of the amount of death it will bring for both adult and child. When Ivan decides to quit the SOD, Ludmilla orders her men to shoot and kill him for being a traitor. Later on, she launches nuclear missiles onto Beijing, London, and New Delhi on Isaac’s orders. Later on when Ivan and his men raid her base, Ludmilla unleashes Big Mouse’s poisonous gas in a large room that kills not only Ivan’s squad, but her own soldiers as well, with her excuse for that being “they were in the way. Destroy the inept soldiers even if they’re diligent.” (which she claims to have quoted from Isaac, which originally came from Hitler). Ivan manages to survive by injecting himself with a Big Mouse’s Chimera serum (which he just so happened to have). She tries to kill Ivan during a boss fight, but she manages to escape.

With Isaac dead and Ivan figuring out the code to abort the missiles, Ludmilla arrives and shoots Ivan, proclaiming that the revolution has begun, “and I am its Angel of Death.” Ludmilla fires her gun at the wounded Ivan, but then C4 shows up to take the bullet for him. Ivan shoots at her, her suit catches on fire, and the base collapses onto her. Dead right? Well, not exactly. As the game’s stinger shows, she’s actually working with the US President, who was seemingly the real mastermind behind SOD's rampage.

Well, Devil’s Fourth doesn't exist, so we don’t know what exactly all of this means.

Redeeming Qualities?

She says that she loved Isaac like a father, but grows jealous when Isaac pays more attention to Ivan (this is all revealed in loading screens, mind you), showing that her love for Isaac , showing that her love is mainly attention seeking and obsessive. She also doesn't shed a tear when Isaac dies, instead choosing to continue with the revolution because she can.

Heinousness?

She willingly assists in Big Mouse's and Isaac's plans, no matter how terrible they are, casually kills her own troops for being in the way, and was partly responsible for the SOD's rampage in the first place thanks to working for the US president.

Conclusion

I think she’s a tentative keep, but it's up to you guys.

It's Spooky Month!
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#135236: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:11:57 PM

Ludmilla Karenina sounds like an [tup] too.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#135238: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:13:18 PM

Yes to both. Arin and Danny had a LOT of fun with this.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#135239: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:19:28 PM

[tup]Ludmilla

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#135242: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:21:10 PM

Sure to Spanish Mickey Mouse and the real Ludmillaaaaa... ahem. Yes to Ludmilla, as well.

Edited by Scraggle on Nov 5th 2018 at 4:21:46 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#135243: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:22:40 PM

Tentative yea I think...now, my next EP: from the old Dungeons and Dragons comic. I give you the first villain of the comic, Imgig Zu.

Who is Imgig Zu?

The lord of a race of extraplanar beings, Imgig Zu desires to go into Faerun to kill and destroy everything they find. A deceptive bastard, Imgig Zu disguised himself a a handsome man to appear to the goddess of the moon Selune when she was young....winning Selune's heart in his guise, he convinced her to take him to the world of Toril...whereupon he revealed his true form and gleefully mocked her over his plans. Imgig Zu, however, was thwarted by a young wizard passing by who ran to Selune's aid in a pitched battle...Selune used her own life force to bind Imgig Zu and his people into a magic moonstone which became known as Selune's Eye and gave it to the warrior, Ostus Agrivar, for safekeeping.

For ages, Imgig Zu brooded, trapped., but he managed to arrange his escape thanks to an elf woman who'd been split from her dark side...forming a bond with the dark side, a drow named Kilili, he had her free him, but could not free his armies. Deciding on revenge, Imgig Zu slowly built up his forces in various ways, killing more people as he went...until at last he attacked the aged Ostus Agrivar and murdered him while crippling the hands of Ostus's son Priam, and spared him so he'd survive as a worthless cripple. In his personal tower? Imgig Zu also has beings abducted to serve as gladiators for sport, having them fight and be killed by Kilili for his amusement, while seeking Kilili's good half Cybriana to reunite them and gain the power to release his forces.

Later trying to have Cybriana abducted, Imgig Zu executes a failed minion and vows to unleash his followers on Toril in the 'Great Awakening,' to completely exterminate the innocent....Cybriana is captured and Imgig Zu plans to kill her by forcibly extracting her magic for Kilili, and opens th eEye to release his armies like a flood into Toril to massacre all they see until Imgig Zu reigns supreme. The heroes arrive in a massive battle, with Priam engaging Imgig Zu himself...in the final battle, Imgig Zu is brought down and Priam impales him with his sword to avenge his father.

Mitigating Factors?

Worst in the comic bar none. He's an extra-dimensional conqueror in it for slaughter and power, with some nasty touches like the forced gladiator matches and what he does to Priam. So heinousness is no issue.

And no issues with agency...he's basically the ruler of an alien race and never shows care for his people beyond them being his army. No standards, no kindness, no redeeming features. Zilch.

Conclusion?

And a winner.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#135244: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:22:53 PM

[tup] Mouse, Ludmilla and Zu

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Nov 5th 2018 at 3:24:55 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#135245: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:25:39 PM

[tup]Zu

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#135247: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:30:35 PM

[tup] Imgig.

BTW, Lighty, if you want, the reformat is still there if you wanna play with the order.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#135248: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:34:48 PM

[tup] Imgig Zu and the REALLY BIG MOUSE.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Nov 5th 2018 at 5:35:01 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#135249: Nov 5th 2018 at 3:35:10 PM

Yes to Mickey Mouse and Ludmilla (Damn I regret on not looking at this game) and Zu.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities

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