During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Edited by miraculous on Nov 3rd 2018 at 3:12:50 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kutsen Yong, Lord of the Golden Horde, the Dragonking.
Grinder Prickleback
Don't about both Mephites and Sonic X
Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 3rd 2018 at 5:48:58 AM
Watch me destroying my countryHoly cow I got a few to catch up with. Speaking of X, I kind of got this new Bile Fascination with it and other big name bad Creepypasta's thanks to shows like Bad Creepypasta and FishStickOnAStick that brutally deconstruct these stories, proably not helping is JC the Hyena's reaction to the stories being taken down.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Kutsen and Grinder
New proposal, from The Masked Marvel.
This one will be short, as the issue is only 8 pages.
Who's the candidate?
An unnamed gunman in the employ of Blackjack Grady. The story calls him "the gunsel," so I will too.
What does he do?
Grady sets the gunsel up with a replica of The Masked Marvel's costume, and has him go on a robbery spree as part of a Frame-Up against the Marvel, who is currently on vacation in his civilian identity. The gunsel's robberies are especially violent, anybody who thinks to resist or collect the bounty on his head getting a bullet. He's killed six men in three months.
Evebtually, Grady sends the gunsel on his most daring robbery yet: A train containing $50,000 worth of silver. To stop the train, the gunsel blows up a bridge it's on, causing several cars full of people to fall to their deaths. The gunsel then blasts his way through the remaining guards to get to the silver and makes his daring escape.
After that daring heist, the gunsel gets more and more violent, robbing and killing near daily. At the same time, the real Marvel returns and pursues the gunsel. Our hero breaks in and captures the two criminals, who will most likely hang for their crimes.
Heinousness?
Highest bodycount in the series. Grady simply sends him on jobs; his murders are all his own.
Mitigating factors?
None, he's just a greedy, sadistic thug.
Verdict?
Yea to the gunsel. Seems like enough blood spilled for a Golden Ager.
Alright, writeups:
- The Punisher: Purgatory: Lord Olivier is a Hell-Lord banished for his ambition and treachery even among his devilish compatriots, reborn as a human later known as Frank Costa. Growing up into a two-bit hood and regaining his memory of his demonic life upon his first murder, Olivier reinvents himself as a feared crime boss with a legacy of murder behind him. Desiring to get back at his fellow Hell-Lords, Olivier initiates Frank Castle's fall into the Punisher by having his family murdered, foreseeing that Frank reinvents himself as a brutal, murderous Anti-Hero so Olivier may enslave the souls of every criminal he kills for his army. Along the way, Olivier has angels hunted down by the hundreds and tortuously kills many himself, bathing in their blood to rejuvenate himself; tortures his loyal minions for failure; and ravages and conquers the realms of the other Hell-Lords one after another, not intent on stopping until Heaven and Hell are put under his tyrannical reign.
- Puppet Master VS Demonic Toys: The wicked Bael is the force behind Erica Pierce and a demon lord who strives to make his name known as the most nefarious among his kind. Bael feeds on steady human sacrifice, Erica keeping him satisfied with the lower-ranking of her corporation, and agrees to use his powers to empower his demonic toys to butcher millions of children to see the greatest blood sacrifice the world has ever seen. Along the way, Bael tries to devour the soul of the youngest Toulon, Alex, all in retribution of the first Toulon having escaped his clutches after having promised Bael his soul.
- Dr. Thaddeus Paine, having lost all tactile sensation from an experimental anesthesia, develops a sick fascination with pain and the limits the human body can be pushed to. Paine kidnaps dozens of innocents to subject them to horrific experimentation, vivisection, and torture all without anesthesia, keeping their hacked-up bodies alive, conscious, and begging for death within his laboratory. Paine sees Morbius' physiology as prime fodder for his study and even forces Morbius to watch him hack up a captive's brain, later musing on how beautiful he is as the enraged Morbius cuts apart his faculty. Reestablishing himself in Long Island in Venom: The Hunger, Paine continues to experiment on people, including Eddie Brock, subjecting him to weeks of torture and using him to lure the Venom symbiote into his clutches — and when finally defeated by having the phenethylamine sucked out of his brain, ends his run converging on his wounded staff to start devouring their brains in a fit of insanity. Of all of Marvel's minor villains, Paine stands out as one of the most viscerally vile on record, with even Morbius stating "never have I seen a creature which more needed killing than you."
- Black and Orange: Chaplain Cloth is the mysterious, not-quite-human head of the Church of Midnight, having established annual sacrifice of those who bear the "Heart of the Harvest" unfailingly for thousands of years, all in a bid to fuse the real world and the Old Domain to unite the Churches of the two worlds. Cloth regularly possesses people in the real world to burn out their minds so he may take over their bodies, overseeing his minions butcher the Nomads who try and stop his affairs, eventually chasing after his intended sacrifices — quadruplet infants who all bear the Heart — when they elude him, driving a bar full of people to kill themselves and cruelly killing one of the lead Nomads himself.
- Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel: Cabinet Minister Alva/Jarvis is a cruel, scheming man who seeks to usurp control of the Azoth Kingdom through force. Alva devised a technique known as the Mega Wave, forcefully and painfully trapping Pokémon in their Mega Forms, using them in his attempt to take the power of Magearna. Alva assures Magearna's compliance by torturing Ash and his friends, before tearing out Magearna's mechanical heart, forcing Racel to watch. Using Magearna's heart to empower his flying fortress, Alva attacks the Nebel Plateau, forcing Magearna to ravage its own home, and spitefully tries to destroy the plateau and everything on it by letting his fortress plunge into it.
- Dracula (1931): Count Dracula himself, beneath his easily-dropped mask of civility, is an undead nightmare and the sole among Universal's mostly sympathetic monsters without an iota of humanity to him. Dracula keeps the villagers around his Transylvanian estate in constant fear and dread of his name, feeding on the blood of innocents to kill them and rise them as vampires under his thrall with a harem of vampire women accompanying him in his crypt. In search of fresh blood, Dracula enslaves Renfield after he leases an abbey in England from him, massacring a ship's crew en route to England to cover his presence and feeding on innocents when he comes ashore. Dracula even bites Lucy, a women who has nothing but intrigue for his odd mannerisms, and Mina Harker, trying everything in his power to take Mina for his own, trying to force her to kill her own father and even strangling his loyal servant Renfield to death when he thinks he's betrayed him.
- Mega Man X: Thought long dead by the time of Mega Man X, Dr. Wily is, in truth, the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire series. With nothing resembling his more honorable traits from the Classic series, Dr. Wily created Zero as a means to finally create a robot strong enough to destroy Mega Man, and engineered the creation of the Maverick Virus, turning Reploids who were infected to violence and murder. Wily integrated himself into the virus itself and fostered countless amounts of death and destruction, most notably causing the fall of the once-noble Reploid Sigma to ambitious evil with thousands killed in his mission, and even nudging Sigma into trying to cause the fall of the colony of Eurasia to spread the virus further, which would consequentially kill off almost all mankind.
Edited by Scraggle on Nov 3rd 2018 at 5:43:50 AM
Sure to Sohta, although I feel the later editions might complicate things a little.
Captain Grizzletusk.
Medusa Gorgan.
Kutsen Yong.
Grinder.
Gunsel.
Also "Sonic .EXE" got a remake ? I heard Jeff got a remake but that one was written by an admin who wanted to improve upon it ? To some application I can understand but who asked for the other remake ?
Edited by Beast on Nov 3rd 2018 at 7:16:56 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."A character with eight pages is really enough for this?
PD: Wait, we aproved X Willy? When? I don't remeber voting for him.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 3rd 2018 at 7:10:39 AM
Watch me destroying my country
for gunsel...although eight pages seems a bit thin.
So now that Draculagosi is officially up I rember two things; I question I had regarding the fanfic rule about light hearted and dark works crossing over, and canonical CM's...as well as such a fanfic I read as a kid that featured Lugosi's Dracula (the writer specifically mentioned that the Dracula in that story was supposed to be Lugosi's). Thing is the crossover was with The Suite Life On Deck of all things.
Anyone think I should do an EP of I revisit ?
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
...Just how dark does it get? Because if it's a case of Vile Villain, Saccharine Show, maybe it would work depending on the situation. ...Maybe.
I remember Dracula behaving like Dracula and being a Knight of Cerebus. Nothing too Grimdark or edgy though. I do remember a fairly violent fight scene in which Dracula gets choked by a stake while in wolf form. Don't specifially remember that high a bodycount though.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

Yes to all of the candidates I missed.
P.S. out of curiosity, whos that on your pfp @Tyk :P
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."