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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#133402: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:46:37 PM

Well, you know what they say about heads in Marvel, ACW. Cut one off, two more shall take its place.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#133403: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:49:09 PM

[lol]

Bushman WAS the head mercenary though, right?

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#133404: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:51:42 PM

[tup] to Junko, Murakawa, Tomas de Torquemada (I think that's technically his third incarnation that qualified for this trope. I suppose its not to surprising, he was a controversial figure) and Akira

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#133406: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:58:46 PM

[up][up] Third? I can only think of one other (and that wasn't even the original).

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#133407: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:59:18 PM

Yes to Junko, Torquemada, and Akira.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#133408: Oct 18th 2018 at 1:59:57 PM

The one from Assassin's Creed also counted if you recall. And, if you want to stretch, I got up Torca Marda from Welkin Weasels who's the Funny Animal equivalent.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#133409: Oct 18th 2018 at 2:00:26 PM

[up][up][up]Assassin's Creed

Edit: [nja]

Edited by miraculous on Oct 18th 2018 at 2:03:01 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#133410: Oct 18th 2018 at 2:08:11 PM

[tup] to everyone listed here especially Torquemada (this has to be the 3rd iteration of Torquemada counting)

Oh and yes March is staying

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
JHT Aspiring Writer and Animator Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Aspiring Writer and Animator
#133411: Oct 18th 2018 at 2:08:37 PM

Forget Tomas, here is the most evil incarnation of the Spanish Inquisition.

I almost want to recommend them for being so vile.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#133413: Oct 18th 2018 at 2:49:01 PM

[tup] Torquemada. What do you expect for the guy that is the spanish synonimous for Tautological Templar and Knight Templar?

[tup] Akira. Do you have any pic of hers? She sounds so silly looking tongue

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 18th 2018 at 4:49:37 AM

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#133414: Oct 18th 2018 at 3:42:40 PM

Ah right, the AC one.

BTW, 30+ so far this week.

JHT Aspiring Writer and Animator Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Aspiring Writer and Animator
#133415: Oct 18th 2018 at 3:44:52 PM

[up]Nice!

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#133416: Oct 18th 2018 at 5:07:50 PM

Depotholing and slight tweak of an old entry.

  • The Galaxy Invader: Joe Montague is first seen shooting at his daughter for slapping him. When he discovers the green man, he decides to hunt it down and sell it to scientists, only not killing it because it's worth more alive. In the course of the hunt, all the men in his hunting party except him, including his apparent best friend, are killed by the green man in self defense, Joe not caring. Later, he tries to rape Becky, then shoots her In the Back when she escapes. After his family takes the alien equipment he stole and runs away, he tries to kill them all, and succeeds in killing the green man.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Oct 18th 2018 at 5:08:46 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#133417: Oct 18th 2018 at 5:11:31 PM

BTW, the Supernatural rewrites and Power Rangers stuff goes tomorrow.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#133418: Oct 18th 2018 at 5:14:25 PM

Okay, I kinda just want the new DND just to be up already so here's my proposal for the page: Group everything by setting. All Forgotten Realms under FR, Dragonlance uner Dragonlance and define in the entry if it's from a series/game/book/setting, whatever. For general tabletop supplements like Acererak, Galroth, Ashardalon, etc. They get their own sections under 'Adventure Modules.'

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#133419: Oct 18th 2018 at 5:29:31 PM

[tup]Torquemada, Yakuza Hunters trio

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133420: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:12:19 PM

Sure on the candidates that I missed especially for Tacotuesdays :P

Anyways, it was unexpected that Zelda got a decent amount of votes (7 [tup] 1 Abstain). Still, even though I want to wait for the sequel, here's the belated writeup for her:

  • Princess Principal (Last Two-Parter): Introduced as one of Princess' bodyguard, Zelda is revealed to be the spy sent by the military to watch the five spies execute the mission to assassinate the Princess. When one of the agents, Ange, refuse to do so, Zelda forces her to kill the princess under the pretense of testing her loyalty. When the princess disguise herself as Ange, Zelda saw her paper-thin disguise and plan to use her as a scapegoat for the Queen's assassination at Royal Catherdal. When the princess pleads to the military that she promised to become a great Queen, Zelda shoots her in the foot out of spite and when one of the military commanders sympathize with the Princess' ideals, Zelda shoots him and still continues the assassination plot.

Short...But I think that covers her crimes alright

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 18th 2018 at 8:14:51 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133421: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:14:09 PM

EDIT: Sorry Double Post!

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 18th 2018 at 8:14:36 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#133422: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:19:32 PM

Taking a double look at Zelda's EP and the writeup... honestly? I have to say no to her. I don't think she crosses the heinous standard. What, that's a few murders, attempted assassination... what else? Plus? A sequel leaves room for her to get worse in the future.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133423: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:21:10 PM

[up] Come to think of it you're right... Sorry Scraggle if I post her writeup first. Because there's no one contested it.

So since there's a contention... Think at best putting Princess Principal six parter movie on my to do list. Hold on.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 18th 2018 at 8:22:46 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#133424: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:27:32 PM

[up]You want to hold off until the sequel, see how she develops, for better or for worse?

In any case, I guess we're scheduled to effort post for Venom (2018) tomorrow. Did we decide on any keepers?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#133425: Oct 18th 2018 at 6:29:08 PM

Scrags and I will answer that soon.


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