During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Travis
Okay first up for Toyman, no we don't need to add ever single act of bombing he does. It's unnecessary. Secondly why do we need to check t goose comics. He counts in the show than he counts in the show. Same with Rassilion. Who cares what happens in another medium for either of them.
Also Men go ahead. Author intent does not matter. What's on-screen does. If thats informed and he's just a vile monste instead than he can qualify.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Definitely EP him. Seems like we may have another Griffin. (Note: I had typed this before 43 did
).
Yes to Travis.
Mir: Continuity. If the comics are in fact in continuity with the show (which it seems like they are). Same reason why the entry for Immortan Joe mentions the prequel comics.
Okay, I've been putting these off long enough. For Shattered soldier, I'm basically using an edited version of the original entry that was at the YMMV page years ago, as it's actually decent enough.
- Contra franchise:
- Shattered Soldier: Earth's ruling Triumvirate is indirectly responsible for the alien invasions of the first games in the series. They sent an army to recover the Relic of Moirai from Jupiter; the invading aliens were actually a defensive army. The Triumvirate, uncaring, claims the aliens are invaders, thus prolonging the war and resulting in countless deaths. When Lance Bean found out the truth, they supposedly killed him, and also used a satellite to wipe out 80% of Earth's population, blaming all this on Bill Rizer, who is later released to take on a terrorist group. The Triumvirate ultimately plans to examine the Relic and become like gods.
- Neo Contra: Master Contra is the leader of the terrorist group Neo Contra, which poses such a threat to the now-prison planet Earth in 4444 that Bill Rizer is revived from cryogenic storage. Master Contra—as well as the Player Character himself—are both clones of the original Bill Rizer, seen in the game as "Mystery G", and later killed by Master Contra. Master Contra plans to end all wars—by blowing up Earth, which he succeeds in doing in a Bad Ending. Despite all his talk and claims how he is "the ultimate form of Bill Rizer", in the end, he is, as the player character says, "just a heap of metal with an inflated ego".
Thoughts? They've been added to the batch
.
Edited by ACW on Sep 30th 2018 at 12:55:35 PM
Can a Greater-Scope Villain be indirectly responsible for something? At the very least, Government Conspiracy is accurate.
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It depends on the situation; it's one of those case-by-case scenarios.
Pretty sure GSVs are defined by being indirectly responsible for stuff, just like they are by being more powerful than the Big Bad. Not really relevant though, since Government Conspiracy already does the job of tagging what they are.
On Alien VS Predator YMMV page I found this:
- Complete Monster: Karl Bishop Weyland in the 2010 game.
Oh hey did anyone count in The Dragon Prince. We didnt discuss it ?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Yes to Travis and Men go for it, I'm excited to see another potential Red Zone Cuba case