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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DukeNukem4ever Since: Jan, 2017
#130726: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:08:32 PM

The last sentence should have no links to YMMV tropes IMHO. De-pothole it.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#130727: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:17:10 PM

About that, this entry too.

* Complete Monster: The anime version of Ajin Sato(u), real name Samuel T. O’Brian, is a former member of the US special forces discharged for insubordination, caused by his strong appetite for killing. Learning of his immortality in Japan, he plans to plunge Japan into terror while falsely claiming to work for Ajin liberation. Forming an Ajin terrorist ring through manipulation and treachery, his attacks include toppling a building into a heavily manned company headquarters, going in with said building and killing his way out of responding police units, and assassinating 15 government and corporation officials, all the while killing everyone in his way. In his final attack, he steals 20 units of nerve gas, takes over a JSDF base, arms the gas on missiles, and demands the Japanese government to submit Japan to his rule within one week or else he will exterminate Japan and rule over the remains. When the government compromises some islands for Ajin governance, Satou rejects the offer as "boring" and prematurely fires a missile at the Prime Minister's office, killing an untold number of people in a massive radius, shocking even his subordinates and causing many to defect. Along the way, Satou had formed a grudge with Ajin Nagai Kei, always preparing to decapitate Kei note  and murder people Kei had cared about in front of his eyes. Badass and charismatic, Satou is ultimately violent to the core.

Evil Is Cool is a YMMV trope. And honestly, a lot of those potholes seem unnecesary. And I think that we should get a way to delete the note. Just say that it will kill them definitely (???).

I am Mr. Pot Hole and even I think that this is excessive

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 24th 2018 at 4:19:36 AM

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#130728: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:20:12 PM

[up][up]Oh yeah, it'll need to be de-potholed too; first I wanna see if it can be trimmed.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#130729: Sep 24th 2018 at 3:35:54 PM

Mir asked me about trimming Rej but I was without power at the time and wasn't able to focus on it. Gimme a bit...

Edit: And here's what I got for him, edit as fit:

Rejiek Hidesman is a tanner who moonlights as a Serial Killer who skins alive any vagrants he can make his victims. Fleeing after evidence links him to his murders, Rejiek's home is discovered to be littered with flayed and rotting corpses. Escaping, Rejiek resurfaces after causing the disappearance of a young woman, Raissa, having infected himself with a virus to become a "skinless dancer"; a monstrosity that wears the skins of humans to disguise itself. Switching identities with the Raissa, Rejiek tries to trick the heroes into murdering her and when this fails attacks them in anger. Even after his own death, Rejiek leaves his curse upon Raissa to try to make her give into the monstrous instincts of the skinless dancer.

Edited by 43110 on Sep 24th 2018 at 6:45:04 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#130730: Sep 24th 2018 at 4:15:56 PM

Cool. I've added him to the reformat.

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#130731: Sep 24th 2018 at 4:34:06 PM

Found this on YMMV/20thCenturyBoys

  • Both versions of Friend were absolute monsters of a different variety.
    • The first Friend (Fukubei Hattori), after growing up ignored by his classmates, with their attention often focused on Kenji Endou, developed a craving for attention, and a disproportionate hatred for Kenji. Already wicked as a child, he psychologically abused his so-called "best friends," regularly tried to terrify people with his tricks, and ruined the childhood of one of his classmates, who would later become the second Friend thanks in part to the first Friend's cruelty. Forming the "Friendship Party" as an adult, this Friend began developing a virus that painfully killed anyone it infected, all while silencing anyone who got his way. Unleashing the virus, he framed Kenji and his group for the ensuing 150,000 deaths, took over much of the world as a "hero," and ruled it with an iron fist, sending people to reeducation camps for even minor crimes. His master plan is then revealed: Use a new virus to wipe out 99% of the human race, then rule over the remaining 1% of "true believers." Sociopathic, egomanical, and petty, the first Friend set the bar for wickedness in this manga.
    • The Second Friend (Katsumata) grew up unliked and bullied, in particular by the aforementioned first Friend, and this resulted in a hatred for all humanity. Taking over after the previous Friend's death, he destroys much of human civilization with a new virus and rules what's left even harsher than the previous Friend, spreading tales of "aliens" invading to keep innocents terrified in the process. To further cause chaos, this Friend regularly sends out small doses of vaccines to groups of potential rebels, knowing they will tear themselves apart trying to acquire the antidote. Revealing he plans to destroy all of humanity with an incurable virus, this Friend tries to make Kenji watch as he kills Kenji’s niece, Kanna (Kanna’s mother is Kenji’s sister, while her father is the first Friend), as revenge for a transgression Kenji committed against him as a child, and, when finally defeated, it is revealed he left an Anti-Proton bomb to be detonated by his followers, which will destroy the entire world when activated. Though having the aforementioned Freudian Excuse, the second Friend was ultimately a psychopathic misanthrope whose attempted revenge on humankind was Disproportionate Retribution taken to its highest degree.

I can't find them anywhere else.

Edited by hegelvonaxel on Sep 24th 2018 at 4:37:33 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#130732: Sep 24th 2018 at 4:35:38 PM

No worries. Both have been long approved. Should be on the anime/manga page.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 24th 2018 at 5:38:21 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#130733: Sep 24th 2018 at 4:41:28 PM

Yeah, I think Ravok is the last person who did the rewrite for the two Friends... At least if my memory serves me hazy.

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#130734: Sep 24th 2018 at 5:37:46 PM

[tup]]Strucker

Edited by lrrose on Sep 24th 2018 at 8:37:10 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#130735: Sep 24th 2018 at 5:40:44 PM

Has anyone called A Simple Favor yet? If not, mind if I do?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#130736: Sep 24th 2018 at 5:59:17 PM

Go for it dude

edit: Oh, fuck, yeah to Strucker, who I think I missed.

Edited by 43110 on Sep 24th 2018 at 9:01:52 AM

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#130737: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:35:16 PM

[tup] to the previous candidates. I had seen this movie years ago but had forgetten about it, special thanks to Duck for bringing this masterpiece back to my life.

What is the work? Stay Alive is a horror film with cool ideas that were poorly executed. After an unsolved triple murder occured, a group of young adults (surprised?) find themselves in great danger when even more people start getting killed and all these murders seem to be connected to The Most Dangerous Video Game Stay Alive, a mysterious indie survival horror who kills its own players in real-life in the same way they died during their Game Over. Our candidate is not the developer of this game, but the Big Bad of the game itself, The Blood Countess.

Who is she? The Blood Countess, aka Elizabeth Bathory herself, was a vain woman from Romania who, in life, murdered her own maid in a fit of rage, and became fascinated with blood as result. Travelling to New Orleans, Elizabeth began a serial-killing that took the lives of 39 girls, torturing them and bathing in their blood to never get old. Soon, Elizabeth was executed by the townspeople, but not before promising to one day return. Centuries later, Jonathan Malkus, a loner completely obsessed with Elizabeth and her crimes programmed the Stay Alive game. Seeing this as her chance to kill even more people, Elizabeth possessed his creation to perpetrate another killing spree. After hanging beta-tester Loomis Crowley and butchering his two friends, Elizabeth stabs the protagonist's boss in the neck during a multiplayer campaign.

Now targeting the main cast, Elizabeth cheats to kill them even if their characters are still alive, we first see this when she unpauses the game so a young man could be run over. When an arrogant police detective plays the game for himself and dies in a matter of seconds, Elizabeth brutally kills the man by stretching the sides of his mouth until his head is ripped apart. Cheating again, Elizabeth turns the game on just to get a female player killed, slashing her throat in real-life. Discovering that Malkus had tried to save the survivors from her lust for blood, Elizabeth murders him as he was not useful to her anymore.

In their final battle against Bathory, she tries to kill a player in real-life even though his character was still alive before two other players managed to defeat her by performing a ritual to banish her spirit... Unfortunately for them, Stay Alive had already finished beta-testing and was released for the Playstation 2, bringing Elizabeth back to kill who knows how many people world-wide. I can only wonder which ESRB rating this game must have.

Freudian Excuses? Nah.

Heinous? A prolific, sadistic Serial Killer in life, an even bigger one in death, and also a filthy cheater. Yeah, i'd say she's pretty bad.

Conclusion? Both the film and the In-Universe video game itself (it's basically Left 4 Dead with limited level designs and zero chances of winning) are horrible even if we didn't have Elizabeth murdering the players, but i guess i'm still giving her a [tup]

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Sep 24th 2018 at 10:45:08 AM

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#130738: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:43:37 PM

Oh, god, that film?

Ugh.

But I suppose I can [tup] her as long as no one comes up with any counter arguments.

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MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#130739: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:45:05 PM

[tup]Little Miss Die

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G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#130740: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:45:21 PM

[tup] to Elizabeth. So I'm guessing that movie was bad

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130741: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:47:06 PM

I;m saying nay. Bathory is just a generic slasher with no personality or dialogue that I can recall. We get vague backstory, she shows up and slicey-diceys. That's it.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#130742: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:47:17 PM

[tup] Bathory. Unfortunately some people would probably want to play that thing.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#130743: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:51:16 PM

[up][up] I was going to abstain until the Downer Ending arrived.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130744: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:53:14 PM

That doesn't give her any more of a personality.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#130747: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:59:00 PM

Saying no to Bathory. Still not seeing why we should permit GDV slashers unless they go beyond the pale — she easily sounds heinous enough, but if there's no actual personality to be seen?

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 24th 2018 at 7:59:24 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130748: Sep 24th 2018 at 7:02:53 PM

Can someone give me an example of Bathory's personality here? She doesn't even have expressions...she doesn't even have a motive beyond "likes to kill shit"

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#130749: Sep 24th 2018 at 7:04:32 PM

Wait, she doesn't even have expressions? I haven't seen the film, but in that case [tdown].

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#130750: Sep 24th 2018 at 7:06:42 PM

Switching to an abstain with new info.


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