During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
- The General is a sociopathic warlord with an obsessive desire to never be seen as weak. To this end, the General subjugates as many people as he can in his home country of Africa, regularly raiding villages to capture several men, women, and even children, all of whom he then subjects to brutal conditions while planning to sell them as slaves, callously executing any who resist his rule. After being approached by Tony Wittenborn, the General is convinced by Wittenborn to kidnap the man's father, Maxwell Wittenborn, and force him to create a Gamma virus that, after testing it on several slaves—leading them to rip themselves to shreds in insane frenzies—the General plans to unleash on the lot of America's population, planning to show the world his power by driving an entire country into annihilation with the Gamma virus.
- Captain America: Holocaust for Hire: Red Skull is a Nazi who hopes to revive the evil regime in the present day by the most twisted means possible. Trained by Adolf Hitler himself to be the "perfect Nazi", Red Skull tortured and murdered countless people in concentration camps in his past, and, once awakening in the present from an induced coma that kept him young, he immediately continues his atrocities. Creating a sonic weapon, Red Skull begins hiring his weapon out to the highest bidder, offering to wipe out entire cities for anyone who can afford it, and he makes good on these deals every single time, leading to tens of thousands of deaths. Having zero loyalty to his own allies, Red Skull beats his own men for miniscule failures, kills dozens of his soldiers in an attempt to kill his enemy Captain America, and ultimately plans to betray all of his current partners and pile them in the same mass graves as his enemies. Red Skull's final plan is to use the funds he has accumulated to attach his sonic weapon to a satellite, then systematically wipe out every country that doesn't fit into his new "Fourth Reich".
- Iron Man: And Call My Killer... Modok!: M.O.D.O.K. (Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing) is a sadistic lunatic with his enlarged head only matched in size by his needless cruelty. Once a scientist serving the terrorist organization AIM (Advanced Idea Mechanics), Modok was subjected to an experiment that granted him super intelligence and telepathic powers, with the unfortunate side effect of turning him into a grotesque beast whose head replaced most of his body. Immediately using his new powers to murder all of his superiors and those who won't serve him, Modok turns AIM into an even more dangerous threat than before, using his soldiers to attack college universities and other highly populated locations where dozens of innocents are nearly killed. His favorite pastime being torture of the most horrific kind, whether physical or mental, Modok enjoys seeing how long he can torture a person before they die, with his record time being weeks on end. He takes deep pleasure in sentencing anyone from captured prisoners to his minions who fail him to be brutally tortured via their own worst fear for as long as it takes until they break down into madness, after which he callously has them executed. His ultimate goal being to mass produce Iron Man armors then use them to overthrow entire countries and bend them to his will, Modok forces Tony Stark to build the armor for him lest he torture the man's loved ones in front of him, never killing them, but making them eternally suffer. Even after Stark finishes the work, Modok attempts to make him a prisoner of his own body then torture his friends to death anyway for fun.
- Fantastic Four & Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer: In these novelizations, by Peter David & Daniel Josephs respectively, Victor Von Doom is portrayed as nothing like his regular iterations, but rather a complete psychopath obsessed with hurting others and making himself a god. His entire motive stemming from a petty hatred of Reed Richards for not being as smart as him, Doom's sociopathic nature is first on display when he attempts to leave his own fiancée, Sue Storm, to die alongside Reed and others to save his own skin with nothing but cold apathy. After gaining metallic skin and electromagnetic abilities, Doom slowly loses his carefully built up affable persona, starting when he murders his doctor for trying to tell others of his "condition", and going further downhill after he murders a business partner for insulting him. By the end of the first novel, Doom's true personality of a narcissistic lunatic has come into full display, as he attempts to sadistically freeze Reed to death. In the second novel, Doom allies with Reed and rest of the Fantastic Four to stop the titular Silver Surfer, however it is quickly revealed that it was a ploy on Doom's part to steal the Surfer's power, which he immediately uses to gruesomely kill an army general and murder numerous soldiers. In the end, as Gah Lak Tus arrives and begins destroying the Earth, Doom, rather than stop Gah Lak Tus with his power, only laughs as countless innocents die and the world crumbles beneath him, proclaiming himself a god who no longer needs the Earth or anyone else, just himself.
Edited by ACW on Aug 15th 2018 at 9:24:20 AM
Here's my attempted writeup at Asahi Sas Brutus:
Final Fantasy XIV: Asahi Sas Brutus is an ambassador from the Garlean Empire who reveals himself to be a sociopathic follower of Zenos. He tries to sabotage the peace between Doma’s leaders by trying to provoke the player character and it was revealed that he hired the mercenaries to fake his good nature. However, his worst act is when his parents adopted his cousin, Yotsuyu. When Yotsuyu got mistreated by Asahi’s parents, Asahi then came out with the idea to sell Yotsuyu into an abusive drunkard for money and political connections and shipping her to a brothel. After Yotsuyu regained her memories, Asahi sents her parents on her which resulted them being killed. When the prisoner exchange happens, Asahi then tries to invoke the primal Tsukuyomi into Yotsuyu and callously shoots her when multiple times when she tries to die peacefully, mocking the player that attacking him would resulted in a Cold-War while he began to brutally beat Yotsuyu in her final moments.
I'll add this to the drafts. Unless anyone got an objections from this.
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Aug 14th 2018 at 11:10:53 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."So I'm not gonna bring up specifics at the moment because it hasn't been two weeks yet but this is a question on quantity vs quality.
Say that a villain has reaching goals like genocide, but they don't really go beyond their planning stage and nearly everytime they try something really bad they end up on the reviving end of a curb stomp battle and only really succeed in killing about a dozen or so people, would a villain like that be worth talking about ?
Edited by Beast on Aug 14th 2018 at 11:40:32 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."- Jackal is a bandit lord that Kenshiro takes on after the business with Shin. Jackal and his men are harassing a village with an orphanage for its water. Jackal's men murder seven-year-old Taki for trying to collect the water they claim as "theirs", even though without the water, the rest of the orphans and their caretaker Toyo will die of thirst. But even after the orphans and Toyo are subdued, Jackal feels the need to sadistically kill them. Jackal purposefully gives Toyo a mortal stab wound, just so she could live long enough to watch one of the orphans hanged by his men. To make matters worse, Jackal then tries to kill the kids by strapping dynamite to their backs in order to keep Kenshiro from going after him. Jackal's also a ludicrously bad boss, killing his own men for the slightest provocation and sacrificing his trusted lieutenant just to slow the vengeful Kenshiro down, and is eventually forced to slaughter his whole gang when they rebel against his mistreatment. When Kenshiro tracks him down at Villainy Prison, Jackal manipulates a giant Psychopathic Manchild convict by the name of the Devil's Rebirth to become his pawn to fight Kenshiro by pretending to be his long-lost brother. When the Devil's Rebirth fails, Jackal thanks Kenshiro for rescuing him from the "evil monster" who had "captured" him, and encourages him to kill him quickly.
- Jagi, despite being a comparative wimp to most martial artists, makes up for it with his heartlessness and sadism. When he and his brother disciples were trained in the art of Hokuto Shinken, Jagi believed in winning however he could and tried to kill Kenshiro when Kenshiro was announced as the successor. Escaping with hideous disfigurement, Jagi became the leader of a roving gang of brigands that murdered families while taking the women to rape and sell into slavery. Jagi manipulated Kenshiro's good friend Shin into betraying Kenshiro, leaving him for dead and kidnapping Kenshiro's love Yuria as well. Among his many brutal murders, Jagi dedicated himself to ruining Kenshiro's good name by impersonating him, and thanks to a serious brother complex he had, when a little boy defended his elder brother, Jagi took the younger brother into the desert, chained him to a cinder block and left him there, solely because "no younger brother should surpass the elder!" He also had a tendency to kill at random if someone's facial features reminded him of Kenshiro and showed a habit of slaughtering his men at the drop of a hat.
- Amiba is a martial arts prodigy turned Mad Scientist who performed hideous experiments on innocent people. Having townspeople brought to him, Amiba would experiment by pushing their pressure points in ways that would inflict hideous agony or even bring lingering death, or just make their limbs or bodies explode; Amiba showed no hesitation performing these experiments on children He impersonated Kenshiro's elder brother disciple Toki in these actions, in order to ruin Toki's name, knowing Toki was a kind man who dedicated his life and talents to helping others. His motivation was that he couldn't stand Toki receiving praise for his healing abilities and when Amiba carelessly injured an old man to show he was better, Toki accidentally struck Amiba out of the way to save his victim. Amiba is willing to kill countless people, inflicting emotional and physical trauma on everyone he encounters solely to satisfy his own ego as a "genius".
- Uighur is the sadistic warden of the prison-city Cassandra, dumping ground for the warlord Raoh's few living enemies. Cassandra is nicknamed the "City of Wailing Demons" due to the unimaginable hardships its inmates endure, hardships that Uighur is so delighted by that he alters prisoner treatments to get just the right pitch and timbre of lamentation. He is extremely proud of his prison's reputation as The Alcatraz, stating that "the legend of Cassandra is my legend as well", and maintains its zero-escape record by gruesomely killing any prisoners who try to escape, as well as anyone from outside who tries to break them out—along with a cell of randomly-selected prisoners, just to make a point. His own staff fare little better. For example, his gate guards, Raiga and Fuuga, are kept in line by the threat that if they disobey him, their younger brother will be pecked to death by Uighur's pet eagle. The only people he tries to avoid killing are those willing to die, because that spoils half the fun, and he'd much prefer to instill the appropriate fear of death in them before murdering them really horribly.
- Jakoh, from the Celestial Emperor arc, is the Evil Chancellor of the Celestial Empire. When Raoh came to their village, sensed his evil, and advised the man's adoptive brother Falco to kill him on the spot to avert future suffering, few knew how right he would be. After Raoh's death created an Evil Power Vacuum, Jakoh moved to fill it, using the young Celestial Emperor Rui as a Puppet King and manipulating Falco, her oath-sworn bodyguard, into doing his dirty work by using her as a hostage, keeping her in such unpleasant conditions that she eventually went blind. The Celestial Empire was exceptionally repressive, rewarding the wealthy and brutalizing the poor whilst punishing dissent with death so frequently that executions took place in the streets. Eventually, Jakoh's paranoia led him to endorse outright genocide, ordering the reluctant Falco to obliterate the nations formed under the Hokuto Shinken and Nanto Seiken martial art schools and beating him when he failed. His hatred of Hokuto was not the only legacy of his encounter with Raoh, which also left Jakoh with an intense fear of the dark. As a result of this, he would lapse into murderous tantrums when the lights dimmed too much, and worked thousands of slaves, old and young alike, to death in keeping the capital of the Celestial Empire brightly-lit. Throughout it all, he never showed any remorse or regret for his actions, instead taking sadistic delight in Falco's disgust and horror at the latest atrocity he would force him to perform.
- The OVA version of Emperor Souther/Thouzer, the self-proclaimed Holy Emperor, has all of the evil deeds of his manga counterpart, but none of the redeeming qualities. Souther runs a brutal empire that enslaves thousands of innocent children and works them to death. He poisons supplies he knows the rebellion will steal (while knowing they'll give the food to their children first) and throws himself huge banquets, eats a small plate, and destroys the rest, all for the sick glee of watching the starving slaves suffer; he has them beaten if they try to eat any of the excess. Souther forces his old friend Shu, the rebellion's leader, to make his way up—with cut tendons—an enormous pyramid holding the enormous stone cap piece meant to finish it. If he drops it, every single slave will die, while if anyone helps him Souther tells them their families will be executed. Once Shu finally does make it to the top of that pyramid Souther orders his archers to put arrows into Shu before finishing him off with a thrown spear.
Edited by ACW on Aug 15th 2018 at 9:25:47 AM
- The aforementioned Dalles, leader of the Darklings and later chief servant of Darm, is a power-hungry sorcerer with a streak of evil which rivals the Demon King himself. In Origins, Dalles invades the fertile lands of Ys in pursuit of the Black Pearl, leading his forces on a crusade of death and destruction throughout the entire kingdom before the Twin Goddesses Feena and Reah lift the Black Pearl and the kingdom up out of Dalles's reach. Constructing a massive tower dubbed the Tower of Darm to reach Ys, Dalles is contracted by the treacherous Cain Fact to infect both of his sons with demonic essence to test their ability—which Dalles proceeds to do with glee, making Toal Fact into his servant and nearly causing Hugo Fact to slaughter his own friends and brother. In Hugo's (non-canon) route, Dalles makes a point of making Hugo suffer by slowly petrifying and shattering his Love Interest Epona—one of Dalles's own servants—in front of his eyes. Dalles ultimately resolves to steal the power of the Black Pearl and send the entire kingdom of Ys crashing down into oblivion to become a perfect being before Cain finally kills the sorcerer himself. Upon his resurrection in Ys II, Dalles now works to free Darm from his seal and plunge the land into an era of terror under the Demon King's cruel hand, sacrificing countless innocents to appease him and spitefully petrifying several innocent people Adol Christin rescues, cruelly mocking Adol about his failure to protect them. Callous, self-serving, and a master of tossing people aside once he's tired of exploiting and using them, Dalles is a perfect representation of the dark ambition that defines the Clan of Darkness.
- In the original game (later remade as Ys: The Oath in Felghana), Galbalan/Demanicus is a cruel, powerful demon with a tyrannical god complex. Once holding cruel reign over the entire world and brutally slaughtering any hint of resistance, Galbalan was sealed away into four statues by the legendary hero Genos. Striving to break free, annihilate the world, and rule over the ashes, Galbalan's name is spoken in dread by the ancestors of his reign in Felgana before he is eventually broken out by his servant Garland. Galbalan kidnaps Adol's friend Elena with the intent to slaughter her as a sacrifice to regain his full power, and once confronted by Elena's brother Chester, Galbalan cheerfully decides to murder both Elena and Chester within arms reach of each other purely to amuse himself.
- Ys IV: Mask of the Sun: In this non-canon version of Ys IV, Garuda is presented as a manipulative sadist lusting after the Golden Temple. Having used his silver tongue and dark magic to corrupt Lord Eldeel into evil, Garuda uses his position at Eldeel's side to perform horrific demonic transmutations on dozens of innocents, turning them into his demon slaves filled with pain and rage. After ordering Leeza, Eldeel's former servant and love, to be killed in front of him, Garuda reveals his plans to take control of the Golden Temple with Eldeel as a puppet ruler, then use the temple's magic and weapons to annihilate countless people until he is propped up as the god of Ys.
- Ys IV: Dawn of Ys:
- In this alternate non-canon version of Ys IV, Garuda, a mysterious member of the Clan of Darkness, is the true mastermind behind every misfortune in the game. Tempting the Winged One Eldeel into becoming corrupted by the power of the Black Pearl, Garuda uses Eldeel as his figurehead as he works towards finding the Golden City and the treasures within. Along the way, Garuda has countless innocents painfully transmuted into monsters by his subordinate and takes Adol's friend Elena hostage for a trade—before attempting, for no other reason than his amusement to brutally kill Elena anyways after Adol gives Garuda what he wants. At the game's end, Garuda backstabs and murders Eldeel and reveals his true goal; to summon the first leader of the Clan of Darkness, Arem, and plunge the entire world into the flames of Hell to burn for all eternity.
- Arem, the Lord of Slaughter, is a mad tyrant who once plagued the lands of Celceta with destruction and darkness as he lived up to his sobriquet by butchering countless people and laying waste to the kingdom. Though sealed away for centuries, Arem returns by way of his Dragon, the aforementioned Garuda, who commits numerous atrocities to free Arem. Once released, Arem proclaims his plans to turn the world of Ys into a living Hell where he will torture and burn every last man, woman, and child for all eternity, and, even when beaten, Arem tries to drag Adol down into Hell with him after absorbing the souls of his own followers.
Edited by ACW on Aug 15th 2018 at 9:26:47 AM
If its what I suspect it is. Than the work has an entire page of badguys who are CM's who are all over the tier system as far as resources and evil deeds go. I do thik an ep wouldnt hurt at least if there planning genoicide as I dont see that many bad guys whove tried that.
Ah my bad. Still lets see the ep than.
Edited by miraculous on Aug 14th 2018 at 10:30:06 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I think it's time to make our minds up about whether or not Surt counts, here's the discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=5059#comment-126460
The current tally is at 9 (2 downvotes from Scraggle and Austin DR).
From YMMV.Arn The Knight Templar
- Complete Monster: Richard the Lionheart, of all people, is depicted as this. He lies, cheats, and seems to genuinely enjoy the carnage of the Crusades. He opts to slaughter the population of a city rather than accept the enormous ransom he originally demanded.
It's terribly written but it looks like he could count.
I took care of the MK film and Conquest; here's one more de-potholed entry for today:
- Sonic SatAM: Dr. Julian Robotnik is the absolute ruler of a roboticized Mobius, and is a far more chilling incarnation than normal. A ruthless, ambitious backstabber with a series of treacherous moves to his count in the name of self-interest, Robotnik's first betrayal was his sealing of the wizard Naugus in the Void. Later becoming known to the King of Mobius, Robotnik became instrumental in the King's own military victories before deciding to take over Mobius himself. Staging a coup d'état and overthrowing the King from Mobotropolis, Robotnik stole the technologies of the Roboticizer from Charles Hedgehog, and used it to forcefully convert almost all of Mobius into a polluted dystopia. Reducing all of Mobius's inhabitants to his robotic slaves—which they morally object to and fight against—Robotnik made fierce enemies with Charles's son, Sonic, and the rest of the Freedom Fighters. Robotnik would demonstrate his psychopathic nature again and again, attempting to kill, torture, or otherwise roboticize the Freedom Fighters, happily willing to jeopardize the ecosystem in doing so. Robotnik also coldly abuses his own minions, his diminutive, weak-willed nephew Snively among them, and condemns them all to die for the sake of his own life in the finale. An emotion-deficient fear-monger with nary a comedic quirk to his name, Robotnik proved one of the most vicious incarnations of Robotnik seen in the franchise.
Working through some Gundam games, so here’s a little project I’ve been working on: Vietnam-related movies made in the 80’s, which I dub as Nam-sploitation, most of which are Rambo ripoffs.
What Is the Work?
Cannibal Mercenary is a 1983 Thai war film that also counts as Nam-sploitation. For this movie, I will be proposing the main villain, and a duo.
A Thai soldier, Wilson Manna, who had been in Vietnam, is suddenly asked to go back on a special mission to stop an evil drug lord. While not being given further details, he is told that he will be paid $500,000, enough money to pay his daughter’s hospital bill and save her from dying of polio. Along the way, he and his gang of asshole soldiers kill Viet Cong and get killed themselves as they make it to the drug lord…
Who Is he?
Colonel Nikum Promclair, referred to as “a devil in human form”, is a vicious drug lord who is also the leader of the Draculas, an army of cannibal soldiers.
What has he done?
In the past, Nikum was once the former chief of the Rangers in this part of the jungle, but later went missing. He ended up creating a drug empire while he was in Vietnam, calling it Kankoom Empire. He created the Dracula army out of aborigines of the jungle tribes, mainly so he can have a cannibal army. Nikum’s first scene has him hanging several people for invading his territory. When he hears of Wilson’s gang having killed a guard of his, he gives the order to invade the village and find them, bring them to him alive so that he can torture and hang them. He has his troops stuff cocaine and other drugs into hollow bamboo sticks, transporting them overseas.
Wilson and his men are later captured and taken to Nikum’s base, where they are hung from their hands, mocking them about how they’re going to die. When one soldier spits in his face, he chokes him, only to not kill him; besides, Nikum has more “fun” planned for him. Nikum has one of his men drag some poor sap across a very long line of firecrackers exploding underneath his crotch. Once that’s done, he as that guy buried until his head is popping out of the ground, where Nikum proceeds to pound a stake into his head and have his army feast on the remains. When another, Namchoke, talks shit to him, Nikum claws his eyes out, then has his men eat him. Walking over to Wilson, he promises him that he’ll get him and his men one by one, very slowly. He then straps dynamite around Wilson and his men and lights the fuses, but before they can detonate, his base is ambushed by Jumpa. Everyone’s escapes their straps and puts out the fuses. A shootout commences. Nikum corners Wilson and tries to kill him, but Wilson manages to put rope around his neck, hang him from a tree, and shoot his body until he’s dead.
Redeeming Qualities?
Ha ha ha, no.
Heinousness?
Doesn’t get more heinous than sadistic leader of an army of cannibals.
Conclusion
Easy keep
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