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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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  • The Lone Ranger (Dynamite Comics): Butch Cavendish is a Corrupt Politician and businessman who masterminds the deaths of the Texas Ranger group that includes the brother and father of John Reid. Later having the families of the victims eliminated to cover his tracks, Cavendish ends up ruined by the Ranger and builds himself back up to seek revenge, killing tons of innocent people along the way, and framing the Lone Ranger himself. Upon finding John's sister in law Linda and nephew Dan Jr., Cavendish orders Linda raped and killed in front of Dan, and later tortures one of John's good friends by pouring a pot of boiling stew over him before trying to kill John and his best friend Tonto.
  • The Boston Reaper, George Foyet, returns after retiring from a killing spree for which he was never caught, following the death of the original investigator. Killing again, the Reaper calls investigator Aaron "Hotch" Hotchner, agreeing to stop his killings with the addendum Hotch abandon the Reaper's case. His deal rejected, the Reaper massacres a bus full of people and kidnaps and threatens a journalist before being arrested by Hotch. Boasting that he kills for fame, the Reaper escapes from prison, stalking Hotch to his house and torturing him into a coma. Dropping Hotch off at a hospital, the Reaper leaves notes indicating he intends to target Hotch's ex-wife, Hayley and young son, Jake, next, mutilating then killing the officer assigned to protect them. Murdering Hayley, the Reaper calls Hotch to torment the powerless man over the phone as he closes in to kill Jake.
  • Superman: Doomsday: Toyman is a criminal with an unhealthy obsession with children who views the entire world as his plaything. Taking advantage of Superman's death, Toyman uses a giant robot spider to rob banks, then uses the robot to take a school bus full of children hostage, threatening to drop the bus off a building if the cops don't let him keep the money. Lois Lane manages to save most of the kids, but a robot toy on the bus prevents her and one of the children from leaving. Seeing that most of the children he kidnapped have escaped, Toyman attacks Lois and the child. Toyman's robot throws the bus off the building with Lois and the child on board before being captured. Toyman quickly escapes from the police and attacks a day care center, where he kills a four-year-old.
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fan game The 7th Stand User: DIO proves to be just as vile as his canon counterpart. After murdering and stealing the body of his adoptive brother Jonathan, DIO murders and drains the blood of countless innocents to heal himself. When DIO senses the presence of the Joestars, he infects Kakyoin and Polnareff with flesh buds to mind control them into being his minions, knowing that these flesh buds will eventually kill them. When the heroes attempt to take a plane to Egypt, DIO has Grey Fly bring down the passenger plane they're on. It's also revealed that he had another one of his men stationed in Japan to destroy any plane the heroes would return in even if they abandon their quest. When his loyal right-hand woman Enya Geil is captured by the party, he hires Steely Dan to murder her to ensure that she doesn't divulge his powers. If the Player Character decides to watch over Kakyoin in the hospital after he gets injured by N'Doul, DIO will send Oingo and Boingo to set off explosives in the hospital. When pursuing Jotaro and company, DIO abducts Senator Phillips, forces him to drive at lethal speeds through pedestrians, and then kills him when he's caught up with the heroes. In the Betrayal Ending, if the protagonist has enough friendship points with Kakyoin and Polnareff, DIO and the protagonist will manipulate them into betraying and killing the Joestars.
  • Gangland (2001): Lucifer is the leader of a gang of criminals who survived the apocalypse. Kidnapping Dr. Adams's family and holding them hostage for a cure to the plague, Lucifer seeks to use it to make himself a god. Imprisoning people who invade his turf, he keeps the women as sex slaves and servants, often abusing them. Capturing Derek, he kills his brother in front of him, having also killed Alexis's sister in the past. Creating the Hellion, he has it capture Jared so that he can torture him. When Derek and Alexis raid his base, Lucifer leaves his men to die in the explosion, then tries to kill Alexis and Jared for the cure.
  • Mission: Impossible Film Series: Ethan Hunt and company have faced numerous terrorists and other criminals. The following duo, however, are the worst of the worst:
    • Mission: Impossible III: Owen Davian is a sociopathic, powerful international Arms Dealer who is notorious for selling to different terrorists. Davian wants to find the Rabbit's Foot, a highly dangerous weapon which Davian is going to give to John Musgrave and start a war in the Middle East which would kill many people. When he captures an agent who is spying on him, he brutally tortures her and plants a bomb inside of her head, detonating the bomb when she is finally rescued. When Davian is interrogated by Ethan Hunt, he gloats about killing the agent, saying that the only real reason he did it was because it was fun, before threatening to do the same to Ethan and his wife, no matter what, which he attempts to do multiple times, even going as far as to disguise his own security chief as Ethan's wife, and then killing her, just to torture Ethan. In his final moments, he keeps his promise, and decides to kill Ethan's wife, with Ethan Forced to Watch.
    • Rogue Nation & Fallout: Solomon Lane is a former MI 6 operative who, after realizing his own sociopathic nature, became enraged and went rogue with the Syndicate to cover up his own deficiencies. Using the Syndicate to carry out devastating terrorist attacks while committing murders himself, Lane was defeated and arrested by Ethan Hunt and his team. Two years later, Lane uses his ally John Lark—aka August Walker—to get free, now hell-bent on revenge against Ethan. To that end, he uses stolen plutonium to rig two nuclear bombs to go off in Kashmir, at a medical site where Ethan's ex-wife Julia is working just out of spite. The nukes will irradiate the water supplies of China, India and Pakistan, affecting a third of the earth's population while Lane is fine dying in the blast so long as he knows Ethan is framed for being Lark and will rot in a jail cell for the rest of his life haunted by the guilt of Julia's death. Abandoning all pretense of good intentions, Lane shows that he is a dark mirror to Hunt himself, stopping at nothing to achieve his ends, no matter how many have to die.
  • Murphy's Law (1986): The psychopathic Joan Freeman, upon being released from jail, intends on bloody retribution against detective Jack Murphy for putting her behind bars. Murdering Murphy's ex-wife and her boyfriend and framing Murphy for it, Freeman begins systematically slaughtering everyone who had anything to do with her incarceration, with the intention of destroying Murphy's good name and leaving him for last. Finally, Freeman tries to kill Murphy's friend Isabella with an arrow, proclaiming her undying hate for Murphy before attempted to kill him with an ax.
  • The Odessa File: Eduard Roschmann was the SS Commandant of the Riga ghetto who was responsible for the deaths of 80,000 German Jews. Christened the "Butcher of Riga" due to his ruthlessness, Roschmann reveled in exterminating the Jewish prisoners in cruel fashion. His crimes include: sentencing a line of Jews to hang—as well as personally kicking the chair from underneath a Jewish boy; allowing his lieutenants to shoot prisoners into open graves; and reconverting a van into a gas chamber, trapping several Jews inside, Salomon Tauber's wife being one of the casualties. When Wehrmacht soldiers were called in towards the end of the war, Roschmann angrily shoots the Wehrmacht commander who is later revealed to be the father of journalist Peter Miller. Taking the alias Hans "Josef" Kiefel, Roschmann founds the Kiefel Electric and secretly aids the ODESSA by manufacturing radio gyroscopes and biochemical warheads which will then be distributed to Egypt, with striking Israel as the end goal.
  • Spence, from the first film, is a member of Umbrella Corporation's security force and the one responsible for the outbreak. Overhearing his lover Alice and an activist planning to expose Umbrella's illegal activities by stealing the T-Virus, he decided to steal the virus himself and sell it on the Black Market so that he and Alice can spend the rest of their lives in luxury. To prevent the theft from being discovered, he purposely causes an outbreak inside the laboratory so that the A.I. system puts the whole place under lockdown and kills the whole staff. Having temporarily lost his memories as the side effect of a knockout gas, he's found by a squad of Umbrella soldiers sent to investigate the incident. Eventually, his memories return and he holds the remaining survivors at gunpoint, while trying to convince Alice to join him. When she refuses, he locks them up and leaves them behind to die, showing that he cared more about the money than about his lover.
  • Shadow Killers Tiger Force: Mr. Davis is the ninja leader of a prison camp where women are kidnapped and made into slaves, planning on selling 53 of them to a Middle Eastern buyer. He allows his guards to sexually abuse, torture, and murder them should they try and escape. When one of his women is in need of medical attention, Davis lets her die in order to avoid attention from the government, quipping that she wasn't worth much anyway. Once Lady Ninja rescues some women and destroys his empire, Davis tries to kill her.
  • X-Men Film Series, by release date
    • X-Men: First Class: Klaus Schmidt, aka Sebastian Shaw, is a mutant supremacist who believes humans to be inferior to mutants. As a Nazi scientist, he used his position to try to find "gifted" mutants, and upon finding a younger Erik Lensherr, he killed his mother after Erik failed to impress him with his powers, solely to motivate him, before subjecting Erik to horrible experiments. After the war, he adopts the Shaw identity and ingratiates himself to high-ranking members of the government with his Hellfire Club, manipulating Russia and America alike. Shaw assaults a CIA facility, murdering every agent within, and when one of the young mutants stands up to him, Shaw, despite his creed of "not harming his own kind," murders him without hesitation and with barely-concealed enjoyment. Shaw's ultimate goal was to push Russia and America into nuclear war, allowing mutantkind to thrive in the aftermath and creating a kingdom of mutants that he himself would rule. Even when thwarted, Shaw planned to absorb all the nuclear radiation in his atomic sub and unleash it upon Cuba to destroy it personally and trigger atomic war.
    • Deadpool (2016): Ajax, real name Francis Freeman, is the leader of an operation that purports to create superheroes. Francis uses his recruiter to lure in people with nothing to lose before he implants the potential for mutant genetics into them. However, to awaken the mutant gene, Francis subjects them to hideous, continuous torture to produce the necessary stress to awaken it. Wade Wilson himself is eventually placed in a chamber that alters air levels to always make him feel that he is asphyxiating. After this awakens Wade's mutant gene, Francis comments he could fix Wade's ruined looks, but mocks that would be no fun and shuts him back in the device anyways. When Wade escapes, Francis impales him and leaves him to burn alive in the ruins of the lab, along with any other prisoners remaining. The superhero operation is also revealed to be a front: the victims are fitted with collars to turn them into slaves and sold to the highest bidder for the remainder of their lives. When Wade, now Deadpool, is hunting him, Francis tries to lure him out by kidnapping his former girlfriend Vanessa and then locking her in the asphyxiation device right in front of Wade.
    • X-Men: Apocalypse: En Sabah Nur, better known as Apocalypse, is the world's first mutant, and once ruled Egypt as a tyrannical god-king. Awakening in modern times, he decides the world needs him to rule it once again and sets about recruiting new "Horsemen" by manipulating lost and despairing mutants. One of the Horsemen is Magneto, consumed by grief with the deaths of his wife and daughter. Apocalypse starts by killing the factory workers at Magneto's workplace and introduces his plans for the world, an attempt at kidnapping Professor Xavier resulting in the death of the X-Man Havoc. Apocalypse reveals his intention to possess Xavier, taking his mental powers so he can go into the minds of anyone on earth whenever he wants. He then proceeds to forcibly reshape a whole city into a massive pyramid and has Magneto alter the magnetic poles of the earth, causing widespread death and destruction. When his attempt to possess Xavier fails the first time, Apocalypse attempts to draw him out of hiding by throttling his foster sister Mystique and using her life as leverage. Dismissing even his own Horsemen as useless, especially if they fail him, Apocalypse's grand plans for the world are a way of elevating himself back to godhood, and he intends for everyone he deems "weak", mutant and human alike, to perish in the flames that create his new utopia.
    • Logan proves that sometimes Humans Are the Real Monsters:
      • Dr. Zander Rice is the head of the X-23 experiment. Before heading the X-23 experiment, Rice orchestrates the near-total genocide of mutantkind with a sterilizing virus that eradicates the X-gene, with survivors butchered by his second-in-command, Donald Pierce, and his Reavers to be used for raw material. To create a perfect killing machine afterwards, Rice has numerous women forcibly impregnated with the X-gene afterwards, taking their mutant children afterwards and murdering the women once their use expires. Rice conducts torturous experiments on the children afterwards to breed them into mindless assassins, with full emphasis on treating the children as "things"—a mindset which leads to some of the children committing suicide. Rice ultimately breeds a clone of Logan he dubs X-24 to serve the project's purpose and orders the children all killed, dispatching Pierce to commit further atrocities in his pursuit of the children once they escape. Once Rice himself comes into the fray, Rice looses X-24 onto an innocent family and callously watches as it butchers the entire family and Xavier himself, later rounding up all the children just short of the Canadian border and threatening to kill them all before Logan. Completely devoid of any compassion or feeling towards the subjects of his horrific experiments, Zander Rice ultimately becomes one of the most deplorable characters in the series, mutant or otherwise, in his pursuit to control mutantkind.
      • The aforementioned Donald Pierce is the psychopathic cyborg in charge of the Reavers, Transigen's primary military might. As the head of security for Transigen, Pierce took full part in not only the hunting down, butchering, and vivisecting of many mutants for their raw materials, but also assisted in the X-23 experiments alongside the aforementioned Zander, entailing the forcible impregnation of numerous women with mutant genes, murdering them after they give birth, then raising the resulting children as tortured lab rats to be turned into submissive slaves and assassins in adulthood. When the children began rebelling, either through violence against their captors or by killing themselves, Pierce was tasked with putting them all down, and proceeded to execute several of the children. After many of the kids escape with the help of the nurses, Pierce tracked down the head nurse, Gabriela, brutally murdered her, then went on to begin hunting down the escaped children, primarily focusing on the young Laura, who would become X-23. During his hunt for the girl, Pierce forces the mutant tracker Caliban into submission by searing his flesh, tortures and likely murders a gas station attendant who spotted Laura, and eventually with Rice unleashes the Wolverine clone X-24 onto a small family housing Logan, Laura, and Professor Xavier, showing nothing but amusement as the family and Xavier are cut down. In the end, Pierce lays a trap for all the escaped children, rounding them up for a mass execution, beats and holds one of them at gunpoint to force Logan to stand down, and ultimately releases X-24 one last time to kill Logan. Motivated only by power, cruelty, and xenophobia, Donald Pierce is easily one of the most depraved villains Logan has faced, mutant or not.
  • Godzilla: Final Wars:
    • Controller X, or simply X, is a hegemonic alien warlord who wants to rule the Earth, but while his former master wanted to do it peacefully and was well-intentioned, X, after killing him, took the conquering to more extreme levels. Instantly letting his alien henchmen go around and destroy everything in sight after making them his own mindless slaves, and awakening the aforementioned Gigan, X doesn't care at all who gets killed during the attack, and is fully aware of how sadistic Gigan is. Capturing and holding a bunch of humans hostage during the climax, X orders his men to slaughter the crew, except for those he wants to kill for himself, trying to brainwash Ozaki into serving him, only to attempt to kill him when he breaks free. Psychotic and arrogant, X had no problems with causing a massive genocide on humans just so that he could rule Earth, and while multiple other villains have the same goals, it is X's utter sadism that makes him stand out.
    • Monster X, real name Keizer Ghidorah, is a fully sentient alien sent by X to help him with the human genocide, not even caring about X's hegemonic goals himself and only interested in killing. Battling Godzilla during their fight, Keizer pins him down just so that he could see Gigan slowly cut him with his chainsaw, fully aware of how cruel Gigan is and how painful it will be. Spending the rest of the battle enjoying the destruction, Keizer, after his superiors die, shows his sadism again by slowly sucking the life out of Godzilla, and intending on destroying the world after. While every other alien minion of X was brainwashed, Keizer did all this solely because it was fun, and proved a worthy successor to the previous Ghidorah incarnations.
  • Black:
    • Wang Yong-choon is a former hitman and sadistic Serial Killer who killed his wife for insurance money. Roped into the far-reaching conspiracy with the promise of a lofty payout, Wang killed many people for the conspiracy and murdered the father of Detective Ha-ram when he saved a child from Wang. After escaping a mental hospital, Wang begins taking revenge, torturing the hospital director to death and killing whoever else catches his fancy, even trying to revenge himself on Congressman Kim by locking him in a burning building with children, not caring if they all burn.
    • The aforementioned Congressman Kim Woo-shik is one of the masterminds of the conspiracy. Involved in a prostitution ring, Kim raped a teenage girl on camera, unaware he was being filmed. Having numerous people murdered to recover the tape and hide his crime, Kim personally murdered his blackmailer's boyfriend to keep the secret and in the present continues his crimes by eliminating even people close to him if they pose a danger in order to keep his political career alive.
  • Dead Set: Patrick Goad, the producer of Big Brother, started off as a Jerkass, but during the zombie outbreak, he becomes something much worse. He abandons his staff and shoves a disabled person to the hoards of zombies, all to save himself. After forcing himself into the Big Brother house, he decides to chop up the dead houseguests into bait for zombies, much to the disgust of everyone else. After being tied up for threatening to endanger the survivors, Patrick manipulates Joplin into freeing him, and hold the others survivors hostage, even killing one himself. He then has Joplin open the gates unleashing the zombie hoards, causing the deaths of the remaining survivors, including Patrick himself.
  • Gap-dong/Gab-dong: Gap-dong himself, in truth police chief Cha Do-hyeok, is responsible for a wave of serial murders that saw multiple women throttled to death after being assaulted. Gap-dong helped to blame a mentally handicapped man for the crime, resulting in his suicide. In present, Gap-dong inspires new killers, seeking to have his copycats blamed so he can continue murdering without the burden of the Gap-dong name, and when caught intends on escaping via the statute limitations while mentally torturing the only victim who escaped him after he forced her and two other women to play rock-paper-scissors to determine who would live. He then attempts to have the witnesses against him murdered, and is so egotistical, he has one of his erstwhile protégés killed for daring to say he surpassed him.
  • Spence, from the first film, is a member of Umbrella Corporation's security force and the one responsible for the outbreak. Overhearing his lover Alice and an activist planning to expose Umbrella's illegal activities by stealing the T-Virus, he decided to steal the virus himself and sell it on the Black Market so that he and Alice can spend the rest of their lives in luxury. To prevent the theft from being discovered, he purposely causes an outbreak inside the laboratory so that the A.I. system puts the whole place under lockdown and kills the whole staff. Having temporarily lost his memories as the side effect of a knockout gas, he's found by a squad of Umbrella soldiers sent to investigate the incident. Eventually, his memories return and he holds the remaining survivors at gunpoint, while trying to convince Alice to join him. When she refuses, he locks them up and leaves them behind to die, showing that he cared more about the money than about his lover.
  • Erebus, First Chaplain of the Word Bearers, was the first ever Chaos Space Marine. After his fall, Erebus set up the slaughter of the Interex civilization to prevent them from warning the Imperium about Chaos and arranged for the corruption of Lorgar and Horus Lupercal, setting up the Horus Heresy that would turn the galaxy and Imperium into hellholes and cost countless lives. Erebus helped to arrange the Istvan V Drop Site massacre where he had countless Marines loyal to the Emperor slaughtered and purged an entire planetary system of life to empower daemons with the intention of corrupting the Blood Raven chapter. In the present, Erebus continues to serve Lorgar, and was involved in the 13th Black Crusade where he sacrificed millions to summon Daemons to assist the aforementioned Abaddon's forces. Responsible more than almost anyone else for the horrific state of the galaxy, Erebus repeatedly shows why he is one of the most vile servants of Chaos around.
  • The game's English version removes the positive traits of Alexei Dinoia, Commandant of the Imperial Knights. He betrays his Empire in an attempt to conquer the world. To accomplish this, he orchestrates a genocide of the Entelexeia, the race that protects the world, so he can harvest the powerful apatheia from their corpses. Two of his minions are forced to obey him because he will shut off their artificial hearts at the first sign of defiance. He tortures Estelle, a member of the royal family he was sworn to serve, to force her to use her powers to activate Zaude, an ancient superweapon. Using Estelle for this purpose floods Zaphias, the capital city of the Empire, with deadly aer and vicious monsters.
  • EvilQuest: Galvis is an evil knight who ravaged the land, killing thousands, before building up an army to attack Camelia, where he was captured after his troops abandoned him for his cruelty towards them. Escaping 10 years later by baiting a young man whose parents he murdered—then letting him supposedly bleed out just for fun—shanks his cellmate of ten years after getting information out of him, then resumes his wicked path of destruction. During his quest, Galvis kills hundreds in his quest to destroy the Seals binding the Chaos Axe; he doesn't shy away from general dickishness either, in one case refusing to kill a frostbitten man just to let him suffer. Galvis, upon obtaining the Axe, strikes down God himself, then unleashes a demonic horde who assist him has he rips the world to shreds. After destroying humanity, he plans to do the same to all of existence.
  • Mary Skelter: Nightmares: Snark, the King of Nightmares, is the one responsible for nearly all the misery within the story. Prior to the main story, it was revealed that he used an Eldritch Abomination known as the Jail in his home planet to do his own bidding. Disguised as the benevolent leader of the Dawn, Professor Tohjima, he found the Blood Maidens and raised them so that he could manipulate them into fighting the monsters known as Marchens and destroy the Jail Cores to accelerate its maturity. It was also revealed that he experiments on an innocent Marchen only to be discarded so that it could be tortured by the Gate Guardian, Kadowaki Towa. In addition, he manipulates a religion, Order of the Sun, by poisoning its Divine Figure by feeding her a food that was produced by the Jail and massacring the followers with his Marchen in the bad ending so that he could get the ingredients for his own agenda. After the Professor revealed himself to be Snark, he discards all of the Dawn members and the Blood Maidens and regretted that he didn't kill them earlier. After the Jail completes its insemination process that produces a new core, Snark fuses himself. In the Golden Ending, he sacrifices all of the Marchens to it. Covering himself with a mask of benevolence and absent-mindedness in order to hide his true sociopathic nature, Snark manipulates all of the factions and the Jail itself so that he could become a god to recreate the world in his own image.
  • Rusty: Bloody Mary is the right-hand woman of the Marquis de Monte-Carlo, and seeks to revive him so that they may Take Over the World. She has monsters attack villages and kidnap dozens of girls while killing the other villagers. Seven of the girls have their bodies possessed by the monsters to serve as the count's most powerful minions while being fully conscious and aware of what is happening and being forced to watch as their bodies are used to kill people, while the others are taken to have their blood drained to revive the count. At the climax, she drains the girls of blood and leaves them in the dungeons to slowly die from the after effects, while keeping one last girl, Ryoko, to serve as Monte-Carlo's first meal after awakening him.
  • Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War series: Chapter Master Azariah Kyras, through Chaos Rising and Retribution, steadily reveals himself to have long fallen from his noble roots while authoring all the conflict and death in the series. Kyras, centuries ago, pledged himself to Khorne and dedicated himself to "freedom" by means of mindless bloodshed and the slaughter of countless billions, achieved by his manipulation of all the chaotic events plaguing the sub-sector of Aurelia in order to provoke Exterminatus on the entire sector and offer the resulting annihilation as tribute to Khorne. All throughout, Kyras manipulates and betrays everyone within his own Chapter, corrupting his own battle-brothers and flagging those who resist as heretics, before finally revealing his true nature to even his own devout follower Apollo Diomedes and proclaiming billions shall scream and burn as the ultimate culmination of his service to Khorne. Kyras stands unique even among the servants of Chaos through his sheer unchecked fanaticism and madness, willing to shed blood on scales unprecedented even for Khornates and musing over the beauty of the senseless death he's wrought as he watches an entire inhabited planet engulfed by the Exterminatus—a gift he eventually plans on sharing with every living soul in the galaxy once he ascends into a Greater Daemon.
  • The Fruit of Grisaia: Kiyoka Irisu was born and raised to be the next head of the corrupt Irisu clan, a family behind political crimes and assassinations. When her husband tried to expose the family's sinister actions, she casually ordered her daughter, Makina, kidnapped to lure out her husband and have him executed in front of his daughter. Left for a week with the rotting corpse of his father, Makina suffered severe mental issues and was disowned by her mother. When Kiyoka needed Makina back due to needing a new heir when her other daughter Sarina was in critical condition, Makina threatened to expose her actions in order to get rid of her. Kiyoka responded by ordering her daughter's workplace to be destroyed and Makina herself assassinated, as well as anyone in her way. When Makina was placed into critical condition as well due to being shot, Kiyoka contemplated ending her life support.
  • The Order of the Stick: The silly-seeming but utterly ruthless Xykon plans to unleash the destructive Snarl to obliterate his enemies, uncaring of warnings that it is a beast with the potential to destroy the world. Sacking Azure City to claim their gate which will help him control the Snarl, Xykon gleefully uses a Symbol of Insanity to cause their entire guard to kill each other, deeming it to be the most fun way to wipe them out. In his backstory, when a then-child Xykon's dog dies and he resurrects it, he happily watches it devour a bird, showing he was twisted from the start. As a teenager, Xykon kills and zombifies anyone who bothers him in any way, including a man offering to train him as a sorcerer and his own parents for having let the man into their house at all. In the present, now a Sorcerous Overlord, Xykon carries out horrific acts solely for his own amusement and abuses his goblin henchmen to the point one tries to assassinate him. Allowing the brother of his would-be assailant to kill his brother, Xykon binds him to his service, then mocks him and forces him to bring his brother back as a zombie. Trapping the souls of two mages within a gem where they are doomed to suffer for eternity, Xykon is a Psychopathic Manchild of a ruler devoted only to hurting others to entertain himself.
  • The ancient red dragon, Thordak the Cinder King, is the leader of the Chroma Conclave, a faction of chromatic dragons with the goal of destroying the system of order within the continent of Tal'Dorei and dividing it amongst themselves. Centuries ago, Thordak was the tyrannical ruler of the desert continent Marquet, regularly killing and eating those who lived there. When the city Ank'Harel began to rise to prominence, Thordak unsuccessfully attempted to destroy the city. Hiding in the seas to recover, Thordak destroyed any ships that passed by before being captured and empowered by the necromancer Opash. Thordak then killed Opash and took over the Island of Viscan before deciding to expand his rule. Destroying multiple towns and killing countless innocents within Tal'Dorei, Thordak was eventually sealed away within the Elemental Plane of Fire. When Raishan the Diseased Deceiver freed him, Thordak killed the majority of the Fire Ashari, and established the Conclave along with Raishan. When he discovers that fellow member Brimscythe intended to rule over territory that Thordak desired, Thordak planned to kill Brimscythe. Thordak later led the Chroma Conclave to attack numerous major cities within Tal'Dorei, costing thousands of lives. When Thordak discovers that residents of the floating archipelago, Draconia, are gathering information on the Conclave, he has Draconia attacked, causing the cities to fall into the ocean. When Vox Machina leads an army to take back control of Emon, the capital of Tal'Dorei, Thordak attempts to create a volcanic eruption to wipe out enemy and ally forces alike.
  • The ancient green dragon, the aforementioned Raishan the Diseased Deceiver, is a powerful sorceress and the most intelligent member of the Chroma Conclave. Prior to the story, Raishan murdered all of the followers of Melora, the Wildmother, for her own amusement. When a follower laid a deadly disease on Raishan before dying, Raishan pledged servitude to the aforementioned Thordak in exchange for him telling her how to cure her disease. Raishan later establishes the Chroma Conclave, making her responsible for the deaths and destruction caused by the faction. When Thordak was sealed in the Elemental Plane of Fire, Raishan disguised herself as an outcast girl to deceive the Fire Ashari, who guarded the portal to the plane, into taking her in. After living with them for years, Raishan found the opportunity to free Thordak, not caring that Thordak would wipe out the majority of the Fire Ashari. Later, Raishan and the Chroma Conclave destroy the city of Emon, Raishan kicking off the attack by murdering Sovereign Uriel and several council members. After coming to the conclusion that Thordak won't honor their bargain, Raishan betrays the Conclave and offers to help Vox Machina kill Vorugal and Thordak. While negotiating, she makes sure to mock Keyleth about the genocide of the Fire Ashari. When the party kills Thordak, Raishan steals Thordak's corpse and multiple dragon eggs, intending to reanimate the corpse of the former and raise the latter as minions for when she attacks a different continent in the future.
  • The Founder, the Big Bad of Jason Aaron's 2010-2011 run, is the son of a robber baron and proud of his wicked father's abuse of his workers. After his father was killed by Wolverine, the Founder, seeking vengeance to salve his own twisted ideals, forms a cult, the Red Right Hand, with Wolverine's other enemies, to hunt him down. Selling his soul to a demon lord to damn Wolverine to hell, the Founder then has anyone who was ever kind to Wolverine hunted down and killed. After Wolverine escapes from hell, kills The Founder's minions, the Mongrels, and hunts the Red Right Hand down, he finds the cult has committed suicide. Leaving a tape recording, the Founder reveals the Mongrels were really Wolverine's lost children, as a final mockery.
  • X-23: Innocence Lost & Target: X: Dr. Zander Rice, one of the lead scientists of Weapon X's X-23 project, has X-23 kept in a padded room except during training sessions or assassination missions, and sadistically torturing her at the age of seven. He develops a pheromone "trigger" to activate her berserker rage, using it to get X-23 to kill her martial arts instructor, and leaves her behind on a mission to be killed after he murders the other members of the team. After X-23 shows back up alive, Rice then manipulates the head of the X-23 project—who had raised Rice after his father's death—into granting Rice control of the project, at which point Rice then sends X-23 to kill the man, his wife, and son—even though Rice knows the boy is his own son. Upon taking over the project, he begins the development of embryos X-24 through X-50, which he intends to sell to the highest bidders, and then taints the one remaining person X-23 cares about, the project scientist who was her surrogate mother, with the "trigger", which causes X-23 to fatally injure the woman. Rice's motive is that he ostensibly wants revenge for his father, who worked on the original—Wolverine—Weapon X project and was killed by Wolverine when he escaped, and X-23 is Logan's genetic double; he really just wants to avenge his own ego.

Edited by ACW on Aug 12th 2018 at 11:00:06 AM

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#126403: Aug 12th 2018 at 7:58:00 AM

[tup] Cult leader.

On Roschmann's entry, you forgot the "e" in include.

Edited by AustinDR on Aug 12th 2018 at 8:30:51 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#126404: Aug 12th 2018 at 8:02:25 AM

Whoops, fixed.

Also, did I forget one? I counted 33, but now, despite adding 3 (Rusty, Snark, Alexis rewrite) count only 35.

Also, is Vampirella a Made-for-TV Movie, or merely a Direct-to-Video one? The former does go to the TV page, but the latter still goes to the Film page.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#126405: Aug 12th 2018 at 8:07:06 AM

[tup] Charro and the cult leader.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#126407: Aug 12th 2018 at 8:55:37 AM

ACW, isn't Erebus that guy you've been going on about for years? I bet you're glad he's finally going up, eh?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#126408: Aug 12th 2018 at 8:59:04 AM

Hehe, yeah [lol]

Also, fun fact: Abaddon at one point cared for Horus, until it became Eviler than Thou.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126409: Aug 12th 2018 at 9:09:47 AM

Well heres something I was kinda curious about and since we depotholed his film incarnation. Is there any reason comic Sebastian Shaw doesnt qualify ? Is it just heinous standard issues ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#126410: Aug 12th 2018 at 9:34:26 AM

haven't explored Shaw much, but I think it's heinousness. I don't think his comic counterpart gets up to the same vile deeds as the film there.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#126411: Aug 12th 2018 at 9:38:03 AM

Also, if I'd had to guess, the heinous standard for the comics is probably higher, what with SO many more villains.

Speaking of comic baddies, do Fabian Cortez and Stryker each need to be around 320 words, when even, say Apocalypse and Sinister are each under 240?

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#126412: Aug 12th 2018 at 10:45:59 AM

[tup] El Charro

[tup] The cult leader.

I know the issues that happened there but...Someone have the votes for the YHVH of SMT IVA? A fair amount of people did change it's votes twice but I think that there more upvotes than downvoted.

I'm probabaly going to play Megami Tensei II to see it's version of YHVH fully for myself intead of relying on others.

Watch me destroying my country
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126413: Aug 12th 2018 at 10:51:06 AM

Let me go check as the votes are all over the place, so this will take a bit. Hang on in the meantime.

Edit: Would yopu mind bringing the ep here, so we could revote as the votes are in a confused state at the moment as im not 100% sure where everyone stands thanks to all the flips back and forth.

Edited by miraculous on Aug 12th 2018 at 11:08:31 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#126414: Aug 12th 2018 at 11:03:36 AM

Oh man, I've been gone for a long time. I don't like to brag here, but I just got my AA degree, now I'm working on heading to the U to complete my bachelor's! So as you can imagine, I haven't had much time to post.

So I don't have much in the way of any candidates, but I do have a quote that I think is pretty effective.

So, what did you think, Wendy? Aren't they talented, my four beauties? Don't they put on a wonderful show? You know, sometimes I stay awake all night playing with them. The happiest moments I have known have been here, with my four beautiful ladies. Soon you're going to join them. I have a special jar just for you. In a place of honor, hmm? Just think about it, Wendy. Soon you will be the star of the show! Normally, my victims are dead when I claim my trophy, but not this time. I'm trying a new technique. I'm going to cut your head off while you're still alive.
Franklin Rood displaying his previous victims' heads to Wendy, Shiver

If everything before the last part doesn't work, I can cut all that.

Edited by Stellarvore on Aug 12th 2018 at 1:03:49 PM

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#126415: Aug 12th 2018 at 11:06:09 AM

[up] Holy hell man, good job! [tup] To the quote, but you might wanna cut that first part.

Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Aug 12th 2018 at 8:08:43 PM

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#126416: Aug 12th 2018 at 11:08:28 AM

[up]Thank you! Yeah, I'll probably cut that part when I get the time.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#126417: Aug 12th 2018 at 11:26:03 AM

@ACW: Vampirella is a Showtime original movie.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#126418: Aug 12th 2018 at 11:36:31 AM

[up] Gotcha.

Stellarvore: Congrats! [awesome][awesome]

EDIT: BTW, I hope nobody minds, but I had Gaunt's Ghosts moved to Literature M To Z under the title Warhammer 40,000: Gaunt's Ghosts.

Edited by ACW on Aug 12th 2018 at 2:44:26 PM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#126419: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:12:30 PM

Congrats are indeed in order, Stell!

Now, a new EP:

What's the work?

Scorpion King 2: Rise of a warrior is a prequel to the Mummy-verse film the Scorpion King. The film features Mathayus, who will one day become the hero known as the Scoprion King (and maybe a villain Word of God is a bit unclear if he has a major Face–Heel Turn or if it's his Identical Grandson, whatever)...anyways, when it begins? Mathayus is training to be a warrior in his native Akkad, under the tutelage of the brutal Sargon.

Who is Sargon?

Now, Mathayus's father is Sargon's rival, and Sargon is a harsh teacher who seeks the throne of Akkad. Believing Mathayus's father will get in his way. Sargon reveals he has sold his soul for dark sorceries, murdering Mathayus's father by having him swarmed by scorpions and stung to death. Mathayus believes Sargon is responsible and joins his elite guard, the Black Scorpions to get close to him to take revenge. Now, Sargon rules Akkad with an iron fist, and any hint of insults toward him are punished via death. Mathayus spends years training, but Sargon, doubting his loyalty gives him a final test: bringing Mathayus's own brother Noah and ordering Mathayus to kill him. Mathayus instead fights to free Noah and tries to kill Sargon who reveals he has dark magic protecting him. In the escape, Sargon kills Noah, and Mathayus flees to Egypt to seek a magic sword that can destroy Sargon's protection.

Now, Mathayus steals the sword from the dark goddess Astarte after some adventures, who is revealed to be Sargon's patron. Astarte tells Sargon to get the sword back, but Sargon demands she give him more power. In essence? This requires a sacrifice. Sargon's response? To have oil spread all throughout Akkad, locking ost civilians in an arena, where he attempts to burn them all alive as a sacrifice for power, as Mathayus arrives to confront him, resulting in Sargon's death after he assumes the form of a giant scorpion, and the day is saved.

Mitigating Qualities?

No, not really. Pretty generic until he tries to burn all of Akkad alive for power, but apart from there? A few murders, plus the nasty scorpion killing. Heinousness-wise, he's the worst in the film. He doesn't exactly get up to what the original Scoprion King does but he doesn't have the army of Anubis either. I'd pass.

Conclusion?

Short and to the point, but there we are.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#126420: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:15:23 PM

[tup]Sargon

I knew consdiering theres like 4-5 of these scorpion king films. There had to be somone who counted as a CM from them

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#126421: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:40:57 PM

Yes to Sargon. Why have the number 2 in the film's name if it is a prequel? Naming it anything else would likely be better since it ISN'T a sequel.

Edited by Knack on Aug 12th 2018 at 12:44:48 PM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#126422: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:41:29 PM

[tup] To Sargon and the cult leader

Edited by G-Editor on Aug 11th 2018 at 10:14:29 PM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#126423: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:44:14 PM

[tup] Sargon.

Now, I have two candidates in mind that I want to effortpost, but without saying who the candidates are and what work they are from, I want to ask this, because these two are pretty weird candidates, from very family-friendly works. And no, I won't say who the candidates are because I want to know if there's any point in EP:ing them in the first place.

The first one is just an incompetent bully for the biggest part of their screentime, small body, big mouth, often picked at by the protagonists due to how small he is, and he has a pretty ridiculous voice. However, in one of the last installements of the franchise he appears in, he gets more serious and decides to cause a near-genocide on a species and fires one of his own employees for having outlived their usefulness, causing them to turn on him, but he still has that small body big mouth-gag but the protagonists loathe him more than usual, and his actions are obviously taken seriously. Most of you are probably familiar with the franchise.

The second candidate is from a video game about cute cats and dogs who hold a magic object, but one day they visit a prisoner (who is a wolf btw...) and talk with him to prove how brave they are, and then eventually give the magic object to the wolf. The villain instantly abuses it by terrorizing and vandalizing everything in its path, no one dies due to the family-friendly nature of the game, but multiple are injured. Most of this is offscreen, but it is said later in the game that the object, if used at an evil creature, will slowly make the host lose its mind and start destroying everything, and killing all life eventually. However, the villain is aware of this, and seems to use it anyway.

As I've stated, the reason I don't make effortposts just yet is because these are quite controversial, but please tell me if I should go for it or not.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#126425: Aug 12th 2018 at 12:46:02 PM

[up] Yes much of the time BUT if they ascend as deities they gain agency.

@Men Not enough context to say for sure but it might be okay to see if they count though.

Edited by Knack on Aug 12th 2018 at 12:49:45 PM


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