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I don't think that's necessary

BTW, Papa will be our second Studio Trigger character that counts.

The first was Ragyo Kiryuin.

He was also voiced by Christopher Sabat in his strangely enough first CM role.

Also coild somone fix his character page. The way it's now seems to make it seem he doesn't count. DARLING in the FRANXX - APE

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2018 at 7:22:28 AM

Speaking of Studio Trigger... I take dibs on SSSS Gridman along with Sanfranman 91 and hopefully looking forward to future Trigger works since despite Di TF is not their best work, I would love to see their past and future works btw.

I'd rather cut those tropes or say it was subverted because at the end of the day... They're a petty sociopath because they tried to force other species to assimilate with them or if not, they will destroy their civilization which undermines their WIE nature.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jul 21st 2018 at 9:25:55 PM

Knack, I don’t like Evil Old Folks because the trope just sounds silly and along with Scary Black Man, Depraved Homosexual, etc., just seems to be singling out a physical or sexual characteristic about a villain, as opposed to a personality one that would actually sell their villainy. As for the Big Bad thing, Poppy can be at the forefront all she wants, she’s still half of an ensemble so saying we should leave that is just pushing for inaccuracy. Also, speaking of Quinn, not sure how that sentence made it’s way in... when I similarly proposed we take out the Big Bad part, someone must have decided to throw in the bloating sentence about being in an ensemble with Damien.

Edit: Adding to that thought, I think the "intersectional characteristic" tropes attract a lot of misuse in the first place. For example, a character can both be villainous and a lesbian but Psycho Lesbian requires a certain overlap between the two characteristics and a lot of Unfortunate Implications. Back on Quinn... is there a point drawn in the work between him being old and him being a villain? As I recall, he was old and he was a villain but the two didn't really overlap, what they did draw into his villainy were his abuses of his monetary and criminal connections. All in all, there are a million better tropes to be using, let's use those instead.

Edited by 43110 on Jul 21st 2018 at 2:05:53 PM

So it's 2 weeks after FLCL Progressive... and no one counts.

Though for this being a good follow up to FLCL, though I still prefer the previous season over this one.

rewrite looks good

Edited by therealjackieboy on Jul 21st 2018 at 8:04:15 AM

So uh could somome else comment on my rewrite for The Ambassador on the previous page. I don't want to make the change unless the rest of the thread agrees to it first.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2018 at 8:01:55 AM

Your rewrite is decent imo

It looks good.

It has an extra pothole, but whatever.

I could remove the forsaken child pothole. Than it would be fine right.

I'll go put this on the locked pages and request the change.

And changed.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2018 at 9:30:12 AM

Correct, and go for it. Don't forget the YMMV page as well.

My Onechanbara drafts:

• Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad: Lady Himiko^note Also appearing in Onechanbara Special is a centuries-old scientist and the head of The Organization, a company that kidnaps people with Baneful Blood to perform experiments on. Kidnapping various men—including Annna’s brother—she injects them with the Blood to make them her obedient, indestructible aides. Desiring to gain eternal youth by drinking Saki’s Blood, she unleashes an army of zombies upon Tokyo, sending out Misery and her indestructible aides to collect whatever Blood remains. After drinking the Blood, she plans to conquer the world and wipe out the entire Baneful Blood bloodline until she’s the only survivor.

• Onechanbara film series:
  • The Movie: Dr. Sugita is a scientist working for the D3 Corporation who created the zombies as a way to fuel his god complex. Needing someone from the Imichi clan to continue his research, he decided to use the young Aya, ordering his men to attack her father, then coercing Aya’s sister Saki into killing him, taking her in to make her a servant who kidnaps people for his experiments. Ten years later, while searching for the now-adult Aya, he unleashes his zombies onto the world, causing an apocalypse. Kidnapping Katsuji’s sister Asami and treating her as a pet, he turns her into a zombie once she disobeys him and sends her out to get Aya. Bragging to Aya about the death of her father, he unleashes a gang of zombies on her that end up killing Reiko.
  • Vortex: Himiko, the haggard leader of The Organization, created a drug to grant immortality that ended up turning people into zombies, using them to conquer the world. Seeking eternal youth, she searches for Kei, a child from the Imichi clan, planning to kill her and drink her blood. Having Aya and Saki’s parents killed when they were children, Himiko, posing as a woman named Misery, tricks them into helping her locate Kei, later seducing Saki into working for her. Drinking Kei’s blood and becoming young again, she tries to kill Aya and Saki in order to completely wipe out the Imichi clan bloodline.

Here's the expanded writeup draft for Hayes and a new writeup draft for the King of Vices.

• Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle:
  • Hayes is a former royal of the ancient Holy Arcadia Empire obsessed with nothing less than the annihilation of the New Kingdom and the return of the Empire's tyrannical ways. Kicking off her war against the New Kingdom by selling weapons and information to their enemies, Hayes makes her first formal move by leading an assault on one of the Kingdom's training academies, killing anyone in her way. Forcing Lux to assist her in showing her the way to an ancient ruin by infecting the boy's friend Phi with a demonic infection, Hayes goes back on her word and orders a corrupted Phi to slaughter Lux and her other friends, planning to cure the girl only after her friends are dead so as to drive her to killing herself. In her most despicable move, Hayes uses the colossal Gigas to lead a full-scale invasion of the New Kingdom, ordering the entire city and its countless inhabitants be wiped out to pave the way for her new coming order where she reigns supreme once more. After being revived by the Lords faction, Hayes attacks the academy with two Ragnaroks, attempts to kill Soffice and Airi in front of Lux, and uses electric torture to force Lux to whip and rape his friends, nearly killing him when he refuses. On the verge of death, she fuses with Ragnarok Sacred Eclipse and betrays her eldest sister out of jealousy for her position, intending to take the Lords' legacy for herself and kill countless innocents to turn their life energy into Elixir. Despite seeing herself as a victim of usurpation by the founders of the Old Arcadia Empire^note  Not to be confused with the Holy Arcadia Empire that she hails from, her actions establish her as an irredeemable sadist motivated by envy and overblown, misplaced spite.
  • The King of Vices is the mysterious figure responsible for turning the Republic of Heiburg into de-facto military dictatorship. Taking advantage of the aforementioned Hayes's arms trade with her country, the King increases the military's political influence and uses this power to sell citizens into sex slavery and slave labor, execute and torture political dissenters, empower the worst of Heiburg's soldiers, and blackmail nobler soldiers into doing her bidding. In need of a secret identity, the King sexually abuses and brainwashes Rosa, and then orders her to blind Stefa, allowing the dictator to Kill and Replace Stefa's cousin, Calensia. After a failed joint operation with Hayes to destroy the New Kingdom of Atismata, the King kills Heiburg's commander and replaces him with Rosa to act as her new proxy and scapegoat. Out of spite for Lux and Celestia's virtue, she helps a mercenary group attack the academy, sends a sadistic assassin to kill Lux and Celestia, and snipes the assassin for failing her. Anticipating that Lux and Philuffy are in Heiburg, the King sends Rosa to kill them, and then tries to convince Lux to kill a defeated Rosa in order to frame him as an assassin and traitor. Moving her plan into the final stages, she sends Rosa on a suicide mission to unleash Ragnarok Metatron upon Atismata, attempts to kill Lux after he discovers her true identity, and forces Philuffy to choose between saving herself or her friends. Unrepentant to her dying breath, the King of Vices mocks the heroes for their ideals while taking pride in being a predator rather than prey.

Please add them here. Though first, is there any way to trim them? I'm not so sure they need to be, respectively, 290 words plus the note; and 265 words for the King.

Edited by FriedWarthog on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:16:50 AM

@ACW: I managed to trim Hayes to 256 words and the King to 210 words.

• Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle:
  • Hayes is a former royal of the ancient Holy Arcadia Empire obsessed with nothing less than the annihilation of the New Kingdom of Atismata and the return of the Empire's tyrannical ways. Kicking off her war against Atismata by selling weapons and information to their enemies, Hayes makes her first formal move by leading an assault on Cross Feed academy, killing anyone in her way. Forcing Lux to assist her in showing her the way to an ancient ruin by infecting the boy's friend Phi with Ragnarok cells, Hayes goes back on her word and orders a corrupted Phi to slaughter Lux and her other friends, planning to cure the girl only after her friends are dead so as to drive her to killing herself. In her most despicable move, Hayes uses the colossal Gigas to lead a full-scale invasion of Atismata, ordering the capital and its countless inhabitants be wiped out to pave the way for her new coming order. After being revived by the Lords faction, Hayes attacks the academy with two Ragnaroks and later electrically tortures Lux to whip and rape his friends, nearly killing him when he refuses. On the verge of death, she fuses with Ragnarok Sacred Eclipse and betrays her eldest sister out of jealousy for her position, intending to control the Ruins and convert the masses into Elixir. Despite seeing herself as a victim of usurpation by the founders of the Old Arcadia Empire^note  Not to be confused with the Holy Arcadia Empire that she hails from, her actions establish her as an irredeemable sadist motivated by envy and overblown, misplaced spite.
  • The King of Vices is the mysterious figure responsible for turning the Republic of Heiburg into de-facto military dictatorship. Taking advantage of the aforementioned Hayes's arms trade with her country, the King increases the military's political influence and uses this power to sadistically enslave her citizens and empower the worst of Heiburg's soldiers. In need of a secret identity, the King sexually abuses and brainwashes Rosa, and then orders her to blind Stefa, allowing the dictator to Kill and Replace Stefa's cousin, Calensia. After a failed joint operation with Hayes to destroy the New Kingdom of Atismata, the King kills Heiburg's commander, replaces him with Rosa to act as her new proxy and scapegoat, and tries to have Lux and Celestia assassinated out of spite for their virtue. Anticipating that Lux and Philuffy are in Heiburg, the King sends Rosa to kill them, and then tries to convince Lux to kill a defeated Rosa in order to frame him as an assassin and traitor. Moving her plan into the final stages, she sends Rosa on a suicide mission to unleash Ragnarok Metatron to devastate Atismata. Unrepentant to her dying breath, the King of Vices mocks the heroes for their ideals while taking pride in being a predator rather than prey.

Edited by Bugfragged on Jul 21st 2018 at 11:00:57 AM

King looks good; Hayes...that'll work if necessary.

@miraculous: Made the edits. The WIE entry on the characters page wasn't accurate anyway, so that's now gone. We should be all clear for DITF now. Didn't know Christopher Sabat never voiced a CM before Papa btw... huh TIL!

Edited by sanfranman91 on Jul 21st 2018 at 11:56:25 AM

Yeah oddly enough despite voicing a lot of villains in general, this is the only one who qualifies.

Image is fine

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2018 at 12:38:41 PM

Again is this◊ a good image for the Governor from The Walking Dead?

Warthog have fun with that but there probably wont't be one considering the show's nature.

Edited by papyru30 on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:26:04 PM

Image works for me.

Alright, writeup time!

• Mass Effect Ascension: Unscrupulous Qurian Golo'mek "Golo" vas Usela was exiled from the migrant fleet for trying to sell the Collectors two dozen young Quarians. Living on Omega and desiring revenge, Golo will happily betray or kill whoever he has to, seeking revenge against the Quarian Migrant Fleet for its actions. Jumping at the chance to get the Fleet's codes to Cerberus, Golo brutalizes a captive Quarian, attempts to sell biotics to the Collectors and then tries to deliver the Migrant Fleet to Cerberus to be spied on or destroyed at their leisure, even killing other members of a Quarian vessel and savagely beating Kahlee Sanders before even Cerberus Operative Paul Grayson has enough of Golo's evil and treachery.
• Jimmy's bastards: The leader of the titular 200 bastards, known as 'Junior' devises a scheme to get back at their super secret agent father James "Jimmy" Regent. Junior has his sisters secretly seduce Jimmy, who is unaware of their true identities, and later reveals to him he's slept with dozens of his own daughters. To lure Jimmy closer, Junior also has many of his own brothers killed in suicide attacks, and when Jimmy returns to save his heroic child Nancy, Junior reveals he's implanted bombs in the chests of all his siblings, detonating several to prove a point and forcing them to either die or sacrifice themselves against Jimmy himself, intending on killing them regardless for a crack at Jimmy himself, before sadistically beating Jimmy down, driven only by his utter hatred of having to be connected to him.
• Harrow County: The vile witch Hester Beck betrayed her family of fellow sorcerers and created Harrow County to rule over as a goddess. Initially a helpful figure to the community, Hester was discovered to be murdered residents and sacrificing children for her magic, before being killed. Her power reincarnating into two young women 18 years later, Hester's crimes are steadily revealed in flashback, including murder her sister and mentor Amaryllis. Upon her revival, Hester gleefully slaughters and cannibalizes her family, mind rapes everyone in Harrow County to go after the heroine Emmy and tries to murder Emmy herself, being willing to destroy Harrow County if she doesn't get what she wants.
• Cheo-yong
  • The Man in Black in the first two episodes is a cruel head of a human trafficking ring that specializes in the organ trade. Having countless innocents abducted via a taxi cab, he has their organs harvested by a doctor he blackmails at a local hospital. When a young woman discovers the truth, the Man in Black murders her by snapping her neck and then when an order comes in for her eyes, he decides to use her young son instead, before trying to harvest the organs of a detective who gets too close. Sentencing countless innocents to be murdered for his trade, the Man in Black sets the stage for some of the worst Cheo-yong has to face.
  • Reverend Moon Doo-hyun is the head of a religious congregation who is secretly a corrupt monster. Extorting, terrorizing and manipulating his followers, Moon also rapes some of the female congregation, including the fiancee of a young man named Han-tae, escaping justice due to few being willing to accuse him. Deciding to cover his tracks, Moon has Han-tae murdered, and later kills his pregnant fiancee as well, which is the start of Han-tae becoming a murderous ghost. As a monstrous sexual predator, Moon stands as an example of the evil hiding udner a veneer of righteousness.

Lighty, you said Cheo Yong will have like 3 more candidates, didn't you?

Got any potholes for Golo's name?

Edited by ACW on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:55:18 PM

@ACW Considering his treachery "turncoat" might work.

@43 You make an understandable point that it doesn't necessarily sell their villainy, again I am okay with it removed either way since it doesn't genuinely matter much to me, though I don't mind if it stays either if anybody wants it to. Though me personally I am not positive how potholes like "Psycho Lesbian" are supposed to work, doesn't it just mean the character is a psychotic villain who happens to be gay? I am guessing the thing that is bothering people is that it is singling out characterstics not related to villainy by themselves? I mean it doesn't matter to me if a character hero or villain is straight or gay or Bi black or white or anything if they don't condemn any as inherently better or worse than any other characteristic and explicitly say it or rub it in your face, but where is the line drawn for that? Wouldn't that mean we'd have to cut those type of potholes for a number of entries? Not saying I mind cutting those potholes or anything or that it would be much work, not positive how it would work is all.

@Bugfragged It looks good, Hayes is still the greater villain though since her backstory which would normally make a character sympathetic doesn't for her due to brutality and the disproportionate nature of her crimes, surprisingly complex considering the sub genre of the series, isn't she supposed to die ten days after revival though? The recent volumes said that didn't they?

Edited by Knack on Jul 21st 2018 at 1:08:30 AM