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I haven't played the games, but I'm going by what others say. Doesnt this Slenderman communicate to the player at some points through messages, if I recall correctly ? To me that would imply some agency.

So far we have a Spenderman rendition as a CM in Windigo, but that one expliclty talks and displays a human like personality (that of a deranged sadist no less) while doing so. So if Slenderman's communications in the game are accurate, what does that imply ?

Slender Man

Hard on Stalin. Lets not stoop to despereration to find a candidate please.

It was not desparation; I was legitimately surprised he wasn't there.

Now you know that Played for Laughs + Offscreen Villainy don't usually work really well.

Slenderman.

for Kokoro Obutsuki, Papa and Himiko.

I leave for a week and we get... Stalin. A Stalin with entirely offscreen villainy, is a caricature, and belongs to a completely parodic series. Hard on Stalin.

As for Slendy, far too much Offscreen Villainy and Humanoid Abomination stuff goes down with him. True, he is a monstrous creature, but far too enigmatic. Another hard

the rest though.

So last year this entry went up and while it's good there are a few minor things I'd like to point out:

• Kingsman: The Golden Circle: Poppy Adams is the head of the Golden Circle, the biggest drug empire in the world. When an employee named Charles brings his friend Angel to her as a new hire, she punishes Charles by forcing Angel to put him into a meat grinder and then forces Angel to eat a burger made of Charles's meat. After achieving all the Kingsman locations, she has them all blown up and kills all of the Kingsmen except Gary "Eggsy" Unwin and Merlin. She takes singer Elton John hostage as a pet and as personal entertainment with a shock collar. When Angel uses one of her products, Poppy has her robot dogs attack and tear him apart. The crux of her plan to legalize the drug industry so she can make even more money is to have the millions who she sold to infected with a deadly virus through her products that lasts three stages before death. If her demands aren't met, she fully intends to withhold the antidote and let everyone die.

Firstly, is "Big Bad" really a great term for Poppy, I thought she was in a Big Bad Ensemble with the unnamed President? Secondly, is that last sentence really needed? If a CM threatens to let people die do we really need to say "by the way, they really mean it"? It seems implied just by the nature of a CM threatening to do anything... there shouldn't be any bones about if they meant it or not.

I think saying she is the main villain is okay since she is the only villain who counts in the film but if not that is understandable, though the last sentence is a little redundant since the sentence right before it says virtually the same thing as a whole, that might be okay to remove but still mention the antidote briefly like "to make them buy the antidote" or other since it looks weird to not mention it if the last sentence was removed. If it will make it look better it might be fine but Idk.

Edited by Knack on Jul 20th 2018 at 10:48:18 AM

Mmm, her being the only villain to qualify means nothing when it comes to being the main villain or otherwise. I'm in approval of changing the writeup according to 43's post.

Edited by Scraggle on Jul 20th 2018 at 11:48:18 AM

I understand that, wasn't sure if it would be preferable though since she is A main villain but since she isn't the only main villain I understand that as well. Alot of villains who are the only villains who count aren't the main villain as a whole. That said the proposed changes are good.

Edited by Knack on Jul 20th 2018 at 11:19:13 AM

Speaking of a main villain I have something to say about this entry. I bolded the unnecessary parts

• Watch_Dogs: Dermot "Lucky" Quinn is the leader of the Chicago South Club, a syndicate involved in human trafficking, drug dealing, and cybercrime; and is one of the main villains along with Damian Brenks. Before the game begins, Lucky manipulates Rose Washington and Mayor Donovan Rushmore into an affair, then manipulates the Mayor into killing Rose so he can blackmail him later for more power. In the process of obtaining this blackmail material, he kills Lena Pearce. Lucky also has no tolerance for failure. He kidnaps Maurice's wife and sells her as a sex slave at a human trafficking auction after Maurice fails to kill Aiden, and kills a fugitive Aiden delivers after an operation goes south. Lucky later orders his men to kill Clara Lille when he's made aware of her working against him. As he lays dying, he declares that Chicago will build a statue of him while never knowing his true criminal nature, thanks Mayor Donovan for being "stupid enough to fall in love", and states that vigilantes like Aiden will be forgotten because they don't matter.

I don’t think the part that says he shares the role of main villain with Damien Brenks is necessary, and should be taken out. Now here's the entry with the edits I've made.

• Watch_Dogs: Dermot "Lucky" Quinn is the leader of the Chicago South Club, a syndicate involved in human trafficking, drug dealing, and cybercrime. Lucky orchestrates the affair between Rose Washington and Mayor Donovan Rushmore, and manipulates the Mayor into killing Rose so he can blackmail him for power; Lucky also notices hacker Aiden Pearce. Believing Aiden to be after his blackmail material, Lucky orders Maurice to kill him; the attempts failed and Maurice accidentally kills Aiden's niece instead much to Lucky's apathy; Lucky responds to Maurice's failure by kidnapping his wife and selling her as a sex slave to a human trafficking auction. Lucky also personally kills a fugitive Aiden delivers after an operation goes south. Lucky then orders a hit on Clara Lille when he's made aware of her working against him. As he dies, he declares that Chicago will build a statue of him while never knowing his criminal nature, thanking Mayor Donovan for being "stupid enough to fall in love", and stating vigilantes like Aiden will be forgotten because they don't matter.

Any-thoughts?

Edited by G-Editor on Jul 20th 2018 at 10:17:05 PM

Yeah looks good, there are two main villains as a whole so it doesn't necessarily have to be mentioned.

to slenderman

I could have sworn we downvoted this version of him before.

Hell, I'm not entirely sure we even need the Evil Old Folks pothole (I know 43's not a fan of ones like that).

I'm also fine with changing Poppy's writeup. So like this?

• Kingsman: The Golden Circle: Poppy Adams is the head of the Golden Circle, the biggest drug empire in the world. When an employee named Charles brings his friend Angel to her as a new hire, she punishes Charles by forcing Angel to put him into a meat grinder and then forces Angel to eat a burger made of Charles's meat. After discovering all the Kingsman locations, she has them all blown up and kills all of the Kingsmen except Gary "Eggsy" Unwin and Merlin. She takes singer Elton John hostage as a pet and as personal entertainment with a shock collar. When Angel uses one of her products, Poppy has her robot dogs attack and tear him apart. The crux of her plan to legalize the drug industry so she can make even more money is to have the millions who she sold to infected with a deadly virus through her products that lasts three stages before death.

Also:

• Watch_Dogs: Dermot "Lucky" Quinn is the leader of the Chicago South Club, a syndicate involved in Human Trafficking, drug dealing, and cybercrime. Lucky orchestrates the affair between Rose Washington and Mayor Donovan Rushmore, and manipulates the Mayor into killing Rose so he can blackmail him for power; Lucky also notices hacker Aiden Pearce. Believing Aiden to be after his blackmail material, Lucky orders Maurice to kill him; the attempts failed and Maurice accidentally kills Aiden's niece instead much to Lucky's apathy; Lucky responds to Maurice's failure by kidnapping his wife and selling her as a Sex Slave at a human trafficking auction. Lucky also personally kills a fugitive Aiden delivers after an operation goes south. Lucky then orders a hit on Clara Lille when he's made aware of her working against him. As he dies, he declares that Chicago will build a statue of him while never knowing his criminal nature, thanking Mayor Donovan for being "stupid enough to fall in love", and stating vigilantes like Aiden will be forgotten because they don't matter.

Edited by ACW on Jul 21st 2018 at 5:02:16 AM

I don't see what the point is. The proposed rewrite was fine as is, but if that people want that specific pothole changed that's okay I guess. Still it's descriptive of the type of villain Dermot is as opposed to anything else, don't understand why that wouldn't be okay. Not to mention a number of other entries currently listed have it.

Edited by Knack on Jul 21st 2018 at 2:54:51 AM

You know given there are so many versions of the slenderman out there, i wonder if thetes At least one that has CM potential

Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 21st 2018 at 3:11:58 AM

Eh, I'm fine either way.

Here's my belated Morganthe's writeup:

Wizard101: Morganthe is one of the students of Ravenwood Academy that got banished into the void after she tried to study black magic in order to defeat her teacher. When her plans are getting discovered by another character, she then attempts to kill him and then selling out her brother to her teacher by telling where he is located in order to get into her teacher’s good graces after being defeated. After being banished into the void and escaping from it, she then seeks the power from the planet Celestia by ravaging the entire world in a war. It was also revealed that she tricked a king of a certain realm by wearing a cursed crown and when said king is turning back against Morganthe, she then attempts to kill him with a poison. In the world Azteca, she then summons the spirits of the dead and then used it to capture and torture the inhabitants so that they could make her a weapon. Distracting the player with her minions, Morganthe summons a meteor to destroy the realm of Azteca. When she is about to fight the main character in the final battle, she mocks the player about the destruction of Azteca and when defeated, she then attempts to erase the player’s memory. A cruel, sadistic and selfish sorceress with a massive god complex, Morganthe eventually goes on to attempt to destroy the world to recreate it in her own image.

Writeup for Papa/VIRM will come out later as I ask Sanfranman 91 for his/her opinions regarding the writeup for Papa/VIRM in P Ms and I think I'll use his/her writeup for it.

I like the new writeup better

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jul 21st 2018 at 7:16:05 PM

I was able to trim Morganthe:

• Wizard101: Queen Morganthe Malory, a student of Ravenwood Academy, got banished into the void after she tried to study black magic in order to defeat her teacher. When a character discovers her plans, she then attempts to kill this person and then sell out her brother to her teacher to get into her teacher's good graces. After escaping the void, Morganthe seeks the power from the planet Celestia by ravaging the entire world in a war. It was also revealed that she tricked a king of a realm by wearing a cursed crown, and when said king turns against Morganthe, she attempts to poison him. In the realm of Azteca, she summons the spirits of the dead, which she uses to capture and torture the inhabitants so that they could make her a weapon. Morganthe then summons a meteor to destroy Azteca. Before the final battle, she mocks her opponent about the destruction of Azteca, and when defeated, attempts to erase the former's memory. A cruel, sadistic and selfish sorceress with a massive god complex, Morganthe eventually goes on to attempt to destroy the world to recreate it in her own image.

Is this◊ a good image for the Governor from The Walking Dead?

Looks good to me

Since were removing unnecessary parts to write-up's. Can we remove this bold part from the write-up for the ambassador. I fell mentioning he doesn't jave BAO morality is unnecessary in a write-up.

• Torchwood: Children of Earth: The Ambassador is a member of a race of Starfish Aliens called the 456 who incorporate prepubescent children into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including Ianto Jones. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from Blue-and-Orange Morality, and expresses callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting. The Ambassador is reflective of Torchwood's darker nature and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.

I'd change it to this :

• Torchwood: Children of Earth: The Ambassador is a member of a race of Starfish Aliens called the 456 who incorporate prepubescent children into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including Ianto Jones. Expressing callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting, The Ambassador is reflective of Torchwood's darker nature and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.

Edited by miraculous on Jul 21st 2018 at 9:16:45 AM

I'm fine with that. If more people approve, I'll let you request that one. I'm also not sure if the Powered by a Forsaken Child is accurate, since it apparently merely uses them to get high.

Edited by ACW on Jul 21st 2018 at 8:53:01 AM

Should there be a cleanup thread for Knight of Cerebus? It isn't a YMMV but I see it abused a lot on this site and Ko C is a bit similar to this trope in nature (character is consistently taken seriously, is worse than previous villains, etc).

I wouldn't mind that being a thing, but ask it on Ask the Tropers, not here.