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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Not fully feeling the 24 quote. Might drop it altogether or change it to something else that fits better. Think there's one about Nina from Season 3 that may fit better.
for Anatoly Federov.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Jul 12th 2018 at 6:20:57 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Found this quote by James Cromwell about Phillip Bauer on the actor's wiki:
"I had never seen the show before, and I took it because my agent said it was important to do, that it would be a good thing. They paid me a lot of money to do it. And then I’ve taken my son captive and I’m torturing him, then I was going to take my grandson captive and threaten him. So I went to the producers and I said, “Look, are there any redeeming qualities to this character?” They looked at me as though I was nuts, I was asking something bizarre."
It's Spooky Month!Question: Has Agent Smith ever been considered for this trope. And if he doesn't fit it, why is that?
Yeah, there was a discussion about Smith, here
and earlier. Is Skull Weaving's only CM?
I like Cromwell's quote. Please add it to the quotes page, with a link if applicable.
Edited by ACW on Jul 12th 2018 at 7:43:35 AM
Is he programmed to be an Omnicidal Maniac? Even when he's still serving the machines he shows independence and it's hinted he already had the ambitions in later films, Neo merely let him act on it. Though it's possible the ambiguity of that disqualifies him like how the ambiguity of whether Dio genuinely cared for Pucci or not keeps the former a CM
No offense but the issue with Agent Smith was resolved long ago. At this point when someone brings him up I find it akin to bringing up God of War!Ares; we aren't beating a dead horse, but bashing it's bones.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."Yes Strickland, Baron, Federov and Aashi.
Cut Salazar.
Here is my Due South write up:
- Due South: Francis Bolt is a criminal mastermind and precision expert. In season 2's All the Queen's Horses he has his brother Randal hijack a train carrying some mounties to a horse show in the US. Under his brother's direction, Randal demands a ransom, but plans to crash the train into another train carrying spent fuel rods, nuking Chicago in the process. After his brother is captured, Francis himself appears in the episode Red, White or Blue. Francis devises a plan to free his brother, working with his cousins, capturing Benton Fraser and Ray Vecchio in the process. Francis takes over the court his brother was being tried in, kidnaps the judge and jury, rigs them with explosives and uses them as hostages. Francis leaves Fraser and Vecchio in the court strapped to bombs that will explode if their heart rate gets too high. Francis is also using this rescue operation as a cover for a different crime, stealing some bonds that will be used as evidence in a different case. Francis and Randal knock out their cousins, hoping they will die in the explosion, so they would not have to share the bonds with them.
Edited by Overlord on Jul 12th 2018 at 7:38:36 AM
I saw this at The Wire
- Complete Monster: Marlo Stanfield, the Big Bad in seasons 4 and 5, is introduced in season 3 as a ruthless, up-and-coming drug lord who forgoes a membership in a profitable coalition of drug lords who teamed up to increase their profit, end the violence between their factions, and deter police attention, and instead decides to wage war against the Barksdale organization after the gang's Number Two made the offer, interpreting his pragmatism as weakness. Marlo's crimes include ordering Junebug and his family killed because there was hearsay Junebug called Marlo a "dick-sucker"; ordering Snoop to kill his 14-year-old soldier, Michael on the suspicion he was a rat; and murdering his mentor, Proposition Joe, when he learns everything he could from him. The most horrifying reveal about Marlo is the discovery of his tombs, vacant houses where he stores the preserved bodies of people he ordered murdered. Over twenty people were found in the tombs, and not just rival criminals. One of his most pointlessly cruel acts was after he deliberately egged on a security guard in a convenience store by committing petty theft in front of him. Though the guard only responded by telling Marlo he had a family to support, and essentially asked for nothing more than to be treated like a human being, Marlo still ordered him killed for "talking back." In a crime series where even the most despicable criminals were humanized and sympathetic to some degree, Marlo Stanfield was just a power-hungry sociopath whose mere presence darkened an already pessimistic show known for its Grey-and-Gray Morality.
By no means is this a bad writeup, but is it maybe a bit long? It also seems to focus alot on Marlo's pragmatic acts at the start of the writeup
Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Jul 12th 2018 at 3:23:02 PM
- Lethal: Anatoly Federov is an Arms Dealer for The Mafiya who has acquired US government secrets and plans to sell them to terrorists. After the secrets are stolen from, he kills the thief and tortures his boss for information, killing two of his agents when they fail to get the secrets back. Coming to believe that mercenary Samantha Stewart knows how to get ahold of the secrets, Federov bombs an FBI base and kidnaps Sam's sister to make Sam steal the secrets. While holding Sam's sister hostage, Federov tries to have sex with her despite knowing she's underage and declares that he intends to kill both sisters after getting what he wants. When Sam arrives to take Federov down, he intends to torture her to death.
Men, I can truncate, lemme know if I missed anything important though:
- The Wire: Marlo Stanfield, the final Big Bad, wages war against the Barksdale organization after a member makes him an offer to join their coalition, seeing the partnership as a sign of weakness and preferring the bloody combat that ensues. A ruthless sociopath, Marlo: orders Junebug and his whole family killed in response to an alleged verbal insult; orders Snoop to kill the 14-year-old Michael, on the mere suspicion he was a snitch; and murders his own mentor, after feeling he is of no further use to him. Revealed to keep vacant houses as "tombs" for the bodies of people he orders killed, over twenty corpses are found in them, both of Marlo's enemies and innocents. Egging on a security guard by purposefully committing petty theft in front of him, when the man tells Marlo he would rather avoid confrontation and just wants to support his family, Marlo orders him killed for "talking back".
Edited by 43110 on Jul 12th 2018 at 11:20:03 AM
Before I do my write-up for Sougad, I have one more Planescape candidate from the materials I've read so far.
First, a little background material for the adventure module Something Wild, from which my second candidate comes from. On the world of Toril, there existed a greater power known as Talos the Destroyer who represented the dark side of nature. A god known as Malar the Beastlord represented the savage wild and was the patron of evil hunters and lycanthropes. Although Malar served Talos, Talos grew resentful of Malar's quickly growing following and banished Malar to the prison plane, Carceri. Carceri, the Neutral (Chaotic) Evil of the Outer Planes, was an inescapable prison where Malar was forced to set up his afterlife for his followers. His realm was known as the Land of the Hunt. Life was perfectly savage for his followers as they got to hunt prey to their heart's content. Such prey included other spirits trapped in Carceri, the local fiend population, and prisoners from the secret maximum security prison located nearby.
Who is Garond the Claw and what has he done?
The story of our adventure begins with a Malarite named Garond the Claw, who is leading his pack in a hunt of the local demons called Gehreleths. After taking one of their necklaces as a trophy, Garond steps through a portal by accident since the necklace was a key. This portal led to The Beastlands, the Neutral (Chaotic) Good plane, that was entirely composed of wild, natural landscape where spirits took the form of intelligent talking animals. Garond was a wizard and thus quite intelligent, so when he look upon this unspoiled land, he hatched a diabolical plan that would shake the very planes themselves.
Garond was above all else loyal to his god, Malar, and came up with a plan that could empower Malar and free him from Carceri. The first time he came to the Beastlands, Garond hunted down and murdered a Gorilla spirit and found that these intelligent prey made for excellent sport. Garond formed an elite group of hunters called the Deliverers who trap the intelligent animals and ship them off back to Carceri where they are hunted down and killed in a brutal game of cat-and-mouse by Malar's followers. He also enlisted the aid of a group called the Vile Hunt that despises intelligent animals and uses their hatred to help capture spirits. In Dungeons and Dragons mythology, spirits that die on their home plane simply merge with the plane itself, but these animal spirits are being killed on Carceri and off of the Beastlands. Without anywhere to go, the souls simply dissipate into nothingness. Garond found this to be a waste, so he worked out a deal to receive stolen shipments of magical items known as spirit bowls. These items are normally used by celestials in the Upper Planes to capture kidnapped souls and to take them back to merge with their own planes. Garond instead used them to capture the souls before they ceased to exist, and then fed the souls to Malar to empower him.
However, this was but half of Garond's master plan to free Malar. He wanted to empower Malar but also give his god a suitable hunting ground when he was freed. Garond thought of no better hunting ground for his god and his brethren than the entire Beastlands. Thusly, Garond realized he had to corrupt the entire plane and make it more evil to Malar's liking. He found his opportunity by manipulating the local Sigil faction on the Beastlands known as the Sign of One. The Sign of One, or Signers, believe that every being sits at the center of their own universe and can affect that universe to their own liking. While this is definitely one of the more out-there Planescape philosophies, there is still some measure of truth to these beliefs as powerful Signers have been known to believe objects into existence and make people simply disappear. One Signer known simply as the One was particularly effective at this. The Signers began an experiment known as the Mindlink that sought to have the One make contact with the essence of the Beastlands itself. Fortunately for Garond and unfortunately for everyone else, they succeeded.
Once he caught wind of the experiment, Garond dominated the mind of a Tabaxi (leopard woman) dream hunter known as Meuronna. She was there to help the One keep his mind calm during the experiment, but Garond forces her to corrupt the One's dreams. This causes the One to be trapped in a terrible nightmare where he is constantly stalked, hunted, and torn to shreds by shadowy catlike hunters (images of Malar) and to repeat this horror forever. As his mind was in contact with the Beastlands itself, his powerful mind causes these nightmares to reverberate throughout the plane. This poisons the minds of everyone and everything in the Beastlands by casuing the One's nightmares to be shared by everyone. Full animals become hyper aggressive and attack everything around them, hybrids such as lycanthropes and centaur-like beings become prone to bouts of savagery, and fully human natives and even visitors are slowly forced to become full animals. The ultimate effect of this is that the increased agression, savagery, and senseless violence is causing the plane to slide toward evil and make it more to Malar's liking.
Now that his master plan has gone off without a hitch, Garond, being an intelligent tiefling, goes about tying up loose ends. He kidnaps Meoronna and forces her through the portal to Carceri to be hunted for sport by the Malarites and prevent Garond's involvement from getting out. Garond also fully expected to double cross the Vile Hunt once their use had ended. Once they started changing into animals, they began to question Garond who ensured it was only temporary. One Vile Huntsman overheard Garond stating the change was permanent, so Garond caught him before the word got it and faked his death and shipped him off to Carceri to be hunted. Garond ultimately intended this fate for all the Vile Hunt once they fully turned into animals and Malar came to the Beastlands. Finally, Garond found the perfect patsy in the form of the Cat Lord, a demigod who watches over all the cats in the Beastlands. He caught the current male Cat Lord and personally hunted him down in Carceri. The female replacement Cat Lord immediately caught suspicion for the disappearance, and Garond managed to fully shift the blame of the nightmares over to her since victims are stalked by shadowy cats in the dreamscape.
All in all, Garond's plan was working flawlessly. His people had intelligent game to hunt, his god was getting fat and powerful on their souls, and the replacement hunting grounds were becoming savage and evil to their liking. Alas, one tiny hitch did come up. Sigil, the City of Doors, sits at the center of the multiverse and forms the keystone of the planes. The nightmares and savagery began to leak into the city and our intrepid players are tasked with finding out what in the Seven Hells is going on. Throughout the advnture the players backtrack through clues that eventually lead them to the stolen spirits bowls and to Carceri. On Carceri, they manage to find and rescue Meuronna who reveals the full details of Garond the Claw's plans. She leads the party back to the Beastlands where they find the One's sleeping body and enter his dreams to stop the madness and corruption. Garond the Claw ultimately dies in defense of the One's comatose body, the One is rescued from his nightmares, and an entire plane is saved while Malar is forever trapped in his realm in Carceri (until 3rd edition).
Any mitigating factors?
Much like Sougad, I proposed Garond because his plans could bring ruin to an entire plane or more. The heinous standard isn't really an issue here. The story also shows that he has a mate, but he never shows her any affection or love so Even Evil Has Loved Ones is not an issue. As for Malar himself, he's depicted more as an incarnation of savagery itself and doesn't get much personaility.
Final Verdict?
I think Garond the Claw is another easy
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for Garond the Claw.
All right, so here's an EP for the sequel to Escape Plan, called Escape Plan 2: Hades. So I had absolutely no plans of watching this film. But then I realized you could rent it on Amazon for a dollar. And I said "Eh, fuck it. Better than wasting it on candy."
Who is He?
The Zookeeper (I'm getting flashbacks to the famous "Big Daddy" villain from Wolf Warrior 2) is the warden of the eponymous HADES prison facility. He also holds a personal grudge against Breslin and is slowly kidnapping and imprisoning his crew one by one. At least, that's what the movie wants you to think.
The real villain is Jaspar Kimbral, a former member of Breslin's team. I'm gonna be talking about him instead.
What Does He Do?
At the start of the movie, Jaspar assists Breslin's team as they save a few hostages from a foreign country who are about to be executed. They successfully rescue them, but Kimbral delays the team so he could take a detour and blow up the terrorists' weapons load. As a result, the terrorists catch the team while they're escaping and fire at their vehicle, killing one of the hostages. Breslin fires Kimbral the next day for trusting his "algorithm" over his team.
Time Skip to a year later, and Kimbral is now warden of a new prison facility, (although he poses as one of the prisoners to keep his identity hidden). He sends some of his goons to kidnap the new protagonist Shu, along with his rich, intellectual cousin, Yusheng. As warden of HADES, he has the Zookeeper torture the inmates using electricity, and he also has the inmates fight each other like animals (hence why the area the inmates are in is called the "zoo"). As Shu begins to come up with an Escape Plan, Yusheng is repeatedly tortured for codes based on his satellite technology—codes that will unlock and/or corrupt various defense networks and systems across the world. Throughout the film, the Zookeeper tries to get Shu and Yusheng to break, and he also has Luke (another member of Breslin's crew) kidnapped and imprisoned. When Yusheng refuses to give up the codes, he has Yusheng submitted to a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown, all while Shu is forced to watch.
It's here where Kimbral reveals his deception, and has the Count Zero (a member of Shu's gang who is helping break him out) taken into custody and (possibly) Killed Offscreen. Kimbral starts gloating about how he built the prison shortly after the creators of the Tomb found out Breslin fired him, and how he made the facility to inspire hope, only to have said hope knocked right back down. He also explains how he kidnapped hundreds of people who are all worth money to him, and he constantly tortures them to extract whatever information they have. Once he's done gloating, he has both Luke and Shu submitted to a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown as well, and he intends to have both of them beaten to a pulp each day. Later on, Kimbral's goons finally kidnap Breslin and have him imprisoned. And just like Shu, Breslin ends up getting a brutal beatdown while Shu watches.
When Breslin and his crew start breaking out of HADES, Kimbral contacts his boss just to show him how the system will respond to escapees. He traps them all inside a room and tries to gas them all to death, but they escape. Breslin finally gets to Kimbral and points a gun at him, but Kimbral tells him that even if he kills him, it's too late. Breslin just gives him “The Reason You Suck” Speech before getting into a fight with him. Predictably, Breslin wins, and snaps his neck during the fight.
He hates Breslin for kicking him off the crew after he inadvertently got a hostage killed during a rescue operation. While Kimbral's reasons for going after Breslin's crew are (somewhat) understandable, pulling a full-on Face–Heel Turn, kidnapping hundreds, forcing them to fight like animals, and torturing them for information that'll make him rich, is going too far.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. Kimbral doesn't even express remorse over the hostage dying. He just tries to tell Breslin and his team that it wasn't his fault, and that the hostage probably would've been shot even if he didn't screw up.
He also allows the winners of the matches to have two hours of "sanctuary time," where they can spend time in a serene, peaceful environment away from inmates. And of course he gives said inmates food and water, all that stuff. But this is obviously a case of Bread and Circuses, and should inmates lose their fighting match, then they lose said privileges.
Heinous Standard?
There's no one to compete with Kimbral except for Hobbes, the previous movie's Big Bad. And while I wouldn't say that he's worse than him, he's about on par with him in terms of resources, not to mention adding on his personal, petty grudge against Breslin and how he tries to break him and his crew, and how he tries to retrieve information from Yusheng that will compromise various defense networks.
There's also some kind of Greater-Scope Villain, presumably someone formerly connected with the Tomb, whom Kimbral apparently reports to, but he doesn't do anything in the film. And the ending of the movie makes it clear that they're gonna make a third movie, with him presumably as the new Big Bad.
Final Verdict?
Leaning towards pass.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
to Garond the Claw and Jaspar Kimbral.
My write up for the Predictor; I wanted to leave the spoiler tag since his identity as the killer gets revealed later in the story.
- Without Warning by David Rosenbelt: The Predictor of the capsule killings, real name Randall Dempsey, was once a journalist left behind in the U.S - Afghanistan War by Jake Robbins accidentally. The Predictor escaped from the Taliban but harbored hatred for Jake as a war hero and devised a plan to ruin Jake's life. The Predictor set a fire to a building in a low-income part of town killing 11 people and went on to kill Jake's former wife, Jenny. He framed her death on Roger, who he had killed in prison to cover his tracks. He created a cryptic message on a capsule he buried alongside a man he murdered. When the capsule was dug up, the Predictor starts his killing spree by murdering people connected to Jake and working alongside the media to try and paint Jake as the culprit behind the murders. The Predictor abducts Katie, Jake's friend, and continues his killings until he murdered the mayor of the town, Wilson Harrick. When Jake found Katie, the Predictor held them at gunpoint and gloats about his plan to fly a plane containing C3 explosives into a nuclear plant to spread waste across a nearby river to kill millions and frame it on Jake. Before initiating his final plan, he suffocated an elderly man, Gerald, to death to cover up loose ends and was on his way to complete his plan until his death by the combined efforts of Jake and his allies. The Predictor only cared about making Jake into an infamous person despite cementing himself as a monstrous individual.
I was able to rewrite the book version of Afton. Unfortunately, I think it's now a Wall of Text. Scratch that it is.
- Five Nights at Freddy's: The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones, and The Fourth Closet: In these Alternate Continuity books based on the video game series, the Big Bad Serial Killer, Dave/William Afton was the co-founder of both Fredbear's Family Diner and Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. Unable to deal with the stress in his life, he turned to murder to relieve it. At Fredbear's, he murdered the child of his business partner Henry, despite the fact that Henry helped him start Fredbear's. At Freddy's, he lured five kids backstage, killed them, and stuffed their bodies inside the animatronics, causing them to become possessed by their spirits. While working as a security guard at a mall, he notices Henry's daughter Charlotte actually an android built to replace her after her death and her six friends, and decides to kill them too. He kidnaps Charlotte's friend Carlton and places him in a springlock suit, gleefully telling him that if he makes one wrong move, the suit will slowly crush him to death and his spirit will be unable to pass on. He leaves Carlton to stand alone in the suit with this knowledge while he goes to kill the others. He later kills an officer and takes Charlotte hostage when the group tries to escape. After his death, he returns as Springtrap, and sends out animatronics to kill Charlie out of revenge for causing his death. He says he will only kill Charlie and won't attack her friends, but than sends his animatronics to kill them instead. It's also revealed that when he was alive and working at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, in addition to the children he had already managed to kill, he modified the animatronics to lure children away from their parents in the hope of being able to kill even more children. It's later revealed that he was neglectful of his daughter Elizabeth, and, in his final plot, kidnaps several children to use in an experiment to allow him to live forever in his undead state. It is also revealed hat he reduced the animatronics to their endoskeletons and mashed them together, keeping all of the souls in excruciating agony.
Someone please shorten this for me.
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to Garond and jaspar
Alright this candidate was one that(from what I found) was briefly discussed but an EP was never made, apologies if I'm mistaken but please read the whole thing first. Also there was a reason he wasn't added. A reason that, from what I have both analyzed and researched rings quite hollow(as discussed in mitigating factors).
What’s the work?
Terminator 2:Judgement Day. The sequel to the original Terminator film. Set in the 80s and includes massive Happy Ending Override to the original(well happy might be pushing it, but A lot of the good parts of Bitter Sweet Ending of the original are all but removed) but Ironacally ends on a more hopeful light(until the 3rd film got an even bigger Happy Ending Override). It is widely considered one of the greatest Sequels and action films of all time.
Who's the candidate?
The T-1000 or “Austin”, The Big Bad of the second film is yet another terminator made by Skynet but FAR more advanced than the T-800. His lines purpose was to Have human emotions, and shapeshifting abilities so that they could disguise as humans. He is sent back with the original T800 at different points in time to kill John Connor before the resistance could begin, the T800 sent to before john was born, and the T1000 sent to when john was a kid.
What does he do?
Upon arriving he kills a police officer and mimics its uniform, he begins searching for the boy John Connor. After a while of searching he finds the boy at a mall, but the T800 beat him there and shot the machine revealing its liquified metallic form from the bullet holes.
After the T800 and John escape he goes to Johns foster parents house kills the foster mother and disguises as her while calling John before a combination of the foster mother sounding too nice(She was established to be a jerk),and the dog shouting, and getting the dogs name wrong tip the T800 off it's a disguise. He then kills John’s foster father and his dog out of spite.
Later on when the T800 and john are breaking Sarah, John's biological mother out of the asylum, he shows up and attempts to kill them only for them to escape.
Finally he steals a truck with nitrogen in it, killing The driver he tracks the group to the Cyberdyne Headquarters where he is briefly frozen after crashing the truck allowing the T800 to shatter the machine. Unfortunately the heat from lava nearby in the headquarters melts the pieces allowing him to reform. He and the T800 battle and the T1000 is briefly victorious, walking away after thinking the T800 is finished, unaware he survived.
The T-1000 copies Sarah's form and confronts John but is stopped by The real Sarah . It survives Sarah's shotgun blasts but is finally done in by the T-800 who fires his last grenade, which detonates inside the T-1000. While attempting to reform, it stumbles and falls backwards into a vat of molten steel. Unable to stand the high temperature it is melted.
Heinous factor?
The franchise has a pretty damn high Heinous standard given that skynet causes a nuclear holocaust. But I think he can still pass for 3 factors. A.He wants to help bring about Judgement Day anyway. B. Skynets actual appearances are usually One-Scene Wonder moments whereas the T1000 is given several scenes to display his villainy. C.Apparently Skynet(of all things) Has Even Evil Has Standards towards the mech Which is why they halted mass production and only deployed them as a very last ditch effort(Though it was also Pragmatic Villainy on Skynets part seeing as the T1000 had potential to become The Starscream)
Unlike either of the other terminators he displays much more outright joy in doing what he does as opposed to simple indifference.
When first getting the past he murders a police officer and steals his identity not even asking for the clothes like the original T800 did to some gangsters in the first film.
As mentioned above The T1000 kills John's foster parents and later his dog because Evil Is Petty and later kills one of the asylum staff after showing off his powers, to gloat.
He kills a truck driver to get his truck, in spite of the fact that simply throwing him aside would have given him More time to chase the group.
During the climax He stabs through Sarah's shoulder trying to get her to call for John. He could use his powers to do so but chooses to try and get his mother to do so torturing her For the Evulz.
Freudian Excuse? Or mitigating factors?
The big reason he was decided not to be an example early on is the simple issue of Agency. As a Terminator he just does what he's programmed to do right?
Actually no. You see a big thing with the T1000 is that it can't just shapeshift to look like a human but it can also replicate human emotions, in contrast to the T800 who often lack basic social skills. However this is also another reason as to why the machine is so dangerous. You see he isn't just programmed to do the things he does a part of him wants to do them. To help display this i'll compare its behavior to the other terminators.
With all of them while they also killed anything in their way as they were all machines, but with him he doesn't just kill when it gets him further he kills whenever he gets the opportunity. There was no pragmatic reason for him to kill johns dog or his other victims.
Essentially while killing John is his programming the OTHER stuff he does are of his own accord.
The biggest is when he engages in Bond Villain Stupidty towards the end. He both tries to get Sarah to call out for John AND after her gun runs out of bullets he gives her a “tsk tsk” hand motion while slowly walking up to her clearly relishing in her fear .
These actions were outright sadism and on top of that, it actually slows him down Which is against Terminator programming. This shows that not only can he extend beyond his programming he can outright ignore it. And him being able to do so further puts down the agency issue.
Conclusion:While trying to kill John is just his programming, his other actions are his own actions and actually contradict his programming.
Edited by Kylotrope on Jul 13th 2018 at 1:31:37 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around hereFunny thing is, that Marlo entry actually IS a truncated version. Here's the original: See here
How can something be neutral AND chaotic? Anyway, I'm inclined to give a
to Garond, as long as his devotion to Malar is more of a Psycho Supporter thing.
Kimbral.
Unsure on the T-1000. Although, if Skynet did indeed have an Even Evil Has Standards, then it's status as a CM might be up for debate.
Edited by ACW on Jul 13th 2018 at 5:56:07 AM

Axe Ramon and cut 24 subpage; not enough examples.
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