During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Well we're on the topic of shortening entries, I think Shaula's entry could be trimmed and needlessly brings up how she "especially" counts in one version, given it lacks her other counterpart's excuse, despite discussion concluding said excuse wouldn't mitigate her anyways. I'll do Medusa later since she's almost 290 words. She's bad but not that bad. Anyways, here's a truncated Shaula:
- Soul Eater Not!: Shaula Gorgon is the youngest of the three sisters and will do anything to take down the DWMA and prove her superiority to her siblings. Going undercover as DWMA staff, Shaula kidnaps civilians to perform heinous experiments on them and turning them into bloodthirsty soldiers for herself known as "Traitors", disposing of them as they outlive their usefulness to her. Attempting to unleash madness in Death City, Shaula allows her Traitors to run amok, killing as they please, forcing Meme to fight her friends and then trying to personally kill her along with the other protagonists when this fails.
Edited by 43110 on Jun 27th 2018 at 8:43:39 AM
Oh, discussion DID conclude that? Huh, then yeah, no need. Please add to the Drafts.
Also, here's the slightly-tweaked Kurata:
- Digimon Savers: Akihiro Kurata is a Mad Scientist and the single most despicable human being to appear in the franchise. Planning on committing genocide on Digimon—due to nothing more than a petty grudge—while conquering the world, Kurata created the Gizumon that would kill Digimon and stop their natural reincarnation cycle, which he first unleashed upon a noble Digimon who had been a surrogate father to the boy Ikuto. Kurata's reaction to Ikuto sobbing over his father's loss was cruel, hysterical laughter. Kurata then created a weapon to kill thousands of Digimon in a single blast and blackmailed one of the humans into working for him by threatening to murder his sick sister, before experimenting on said sister. Kurata's hatred extended to awakening a monstrous demon and attempting to merge with it to obliterate everything he saw as an enemy.
I removed the cowardly and bespectacled stuff, and Final Solution seemed more appropriate than Omnicidal Maniac.
Edited by ACW on Jun 27th 2018 at 2:45:16 PM
Oh acw didnt Hodor 2 approve a bad guy from Murdoch Mysteries. Shouldn't you put that in the pending write-up list.
Edited by miraculous on Jun 27th 2018 at 12:16:44 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Correction for The Captain's entry in the The Haunted Mansion section of Disney Kingdoms and wherever else he's located: his ghostly pirate pothole does not have to be "Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot". I suggest you put in "Ghost Pirate" instead.
Yes and DeVoe was heavily downvoted due to the too many ambiguous and/or redeeming factors. Other candidates weren't proposed (the Trickster was voted up earlier).
I originally thought Amunet might qualify, but she was played as far too much of a joke later on.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Neos. This new layout is... a new layout. It isn't perfect, lets just say that.
Am I allowed to add this to the YMMV page of Quentin Tarantino?
- Complete Monster: Vic Vega, Boss Matsumoto, and Stuntman Mike. See those pages for details.
It is explicitly stated that these Tarantino works are in the same universe (or every film except those based on other works he has made for that matter).
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We have this for Will Shakespeare and we even made a subpage for Stephen King.
Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:05:41 PM
@hegelvonaxel: Why did you post the exact same comment twice? >__>
@MenInGrayToBlak: I guess? I thought that was only done for franchises though that don't have their own subpage, like Scream?
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.Dleoeornfof38rfnep203prnfndp29rnrrkro3i}i£i£o9×9×£@#;
Edited by MenInGreyToBlak on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:58:41 PM
Time for this... just went past deadline in my time. If there are formatting errors blame the vile new site.
What is the Work?
Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion, the DLC expansion for Splatoon 2. For context this game is post apocalpytic, with global warming and five world wars wiping out humanity leading for fish to evolve as the dominant species. Before humans were wiped out, a professor created an AI designed 12,000 years ago to pass on the greatest of humanity's knowledge to the races. However, the AI grows a mind of its own...
Who is Commander Tartar and what does he do?
Initially presenting himself as a friendly "telephone" guiding inhabitants of the underground to the "promised land", using tests to see if they are ready, it is in fact an Elaborate Ruse. Throughout the DLC, he asks you to collect four "thangs" to reach the aforementioned "promised land" which is revealed in the endgame to be a blender. This is when he reveals himself and his plan, and the fact that your character being the ten thousand and eighth test subject is much more evil than it sounds: he had previosuly blended thousands of test subjects in it, ones who managed to make the blender, so he could use their parts to create the ultimate lifeform.
He wants to make this lifeform out of pure racism. While his professor created him with the goal of passing on humanity's knowledge, he grew disgusted with the fish species on Earth and created his own directive: wipe them all out, to create a new, dominant species. Basically he's playing God. At points, he claims this is the intent of his professor, but it is in fact the exact opposite: he wanted peace while Tartar wanted genocide and the game makes it clear he goes against the wishes of his professor by twisting his dream to his own goal.
Heinous Standard
He is by far the most evil Splatoon villain. The other baddies had crimes which were, at worst, brainwashing. Tartar has that, and the blending of thousands of children, and attempted genocide on a planet. On top of that, there's the yet-unmentioned Sanitized mooks you fight throughout the dlc - unlike regular mooks, they lack any signs of life - Tartar took them out. He is by far the vilest villain in Splatoon and probably will be for the forseeable future. Yes his crimes are explicit, if you fail the boss it shows the world ending.
Moral Agency
Tartar specifically mentions that he created his own directive to commit genocide. He has it. He is an AI with it, like AM, not like Preston from Wallace and Gromit, and he knows it. While it initially seems like there is a problem with his agency, he quickly disputes that.
Anything Else?
His "care" for his professor, other than him directly subverting his orders, is far too vague to mean anything for him. He knowingly went against everything the guy wanted to do and cared for. It means nothing.
Verdict?
Well duh.
Lets see if its formatted like absolute shite.
If he's played seriously and explicitly,
Tartar. Wow, hello Vile Villain, Saccharine Show!
@MenInGreyToBlak: Good point.
Assuming the AI is indeed played seriously, sure,
Commander Tartar. Little odd this is coming from Splatoon though.
And yes, everyone. The formatting on TV Tropes is different and everyone hates it or wants it changed back. In other shocking, horrific news, grass is green.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.I think I'm going to wait to hear the opinion of others who have played Splatoon 2 before voting on Tartar, myself.
And with that in mind, I'm leaning towards a no because it's hard to find a way for that line to not sound mitigating.
The two cases can't be compared: the bit about Asav's wife is from a henchman and we never see him talk about her onscreen, but Tartar? The guy himself flat out states that he wants to be with the professor. Completely different contexts right there.
Edited by FriedWarthog on Jun 27th 2018 at 4:41:58 AM

I'll see what I can do, and then call him in if I need help.
EDIT: Alright, try this. Just over 200, but I think it has all his deeds.
Edited by ACW on Jun 27th 2018 at 2:41:45 PM