During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Lesko and Nilson easily.
Now, I'm unsure about Nessiah. Heinous enough sure, no redeeming qualities, but that seems like a rather strong Freudian Excuse. How's it played in the story?
Also, how does Nessiah compare to current CM Hector? This sentence from Hector's entry also makes me hesitant:
And from his character page:
Yeah, I'm now actually leaning no, STRONGLY.
edited 7th Jun '18 8:18:58 AM by ACW
Yes, part of my username is a reference to Disgaea. In regards to Hector... The side materials that I have read dont mention anything about Hector being related to Nessiah's fall from grace.
And they dont mention anything about Nessiah being a pacifist either.
"Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road—neither human, nor devil... All bends to my will." -Demifiend.Hmm, that's...interesting. Hector's entry may need a rewrite (actually, if you know the work, would you mind a full effortpost?).
If that's the case, I'll switch back to abstain; how's his Freudian Excuse played?
It's been a pretty long time since I last played Riviera, but I am eventually planning in replaying it with the japanese dub to check if there was stuff that was lost in translation.
And then, I could do a Effort Post on Hector.
In regards to how Nessiah's Freudian Excuse is played in-game? Surprisingly, Kylier expressed some sympathy for him. Feeling all the hate and resentment holded for so long.
But regardless of how tragic his situation is, the other characters like Yggdra and Milanor think that he has no right to do all of that stuff regardless. So, Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse.
edited 7th Jun '18 8:32:51 AM by dood9780
"Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road—neither human, nor devil... All bends to my will." -Demifiend.Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse, but there's also the thing about how a Freudian Excuse doesn't have to justify, just explain.
I'm abstaining, but leaning slightly no.
I would really like to continue this discussion but... I stayed awake all night, and If I dont go to sleep soon I am going to get in trouble with my siblings.
Either tomorrow late in the night, I'LL BE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!
"Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road—neither human, nor devil... All bends to my will." -Demifiend.Yeah, switching to abstain now.
As a sidenote, I recently found out that over a decade ago, a fan of Betrayal at House on the Hill made 20 custom haunts and posted pdfs of them (one players tome, one traitors tome) online. Probably gonna be checking out some of these haunts to see if there are any potential candidates, but if there are, would they go in the Fan Works page?
edited 7th Jun '18 8:49:50 AM by Awesomekid42
Sent. And for anybody else on this thread curious about checking the pdfs for themselves
Traitor's tome: https://tesera.ru/images/items/102352/Traitor's%20Tome%20(aligned).pdf (the damn apostrophe in the url makes it impossible for me to link regularly, lol)
edited 7th Jun '18 8:53:19 AM by Awesomekid42
Then yes, Awesomekid, a fan made work, would go on the fan works page...
Anyways, Elfen asked me to rewrite his Twin Star Exorcists entry so here it is:
- Twin Star Exorcists: In the anime Y(u)uto Ijika corrupted innocent students into mindless, violent Impurities, forcing Rokuro to kill them. Traumatizing Rokuro to make him abandoning exorcism, Yuto later mocks him for the horror he put him through. When his sister, Benio finds out the truth of Yuto's vile deeds, he mocks he, revealing he never cared about her. Corrupting Rokruo's childhood friend into another Impurity, Yuto later wounds Benio and smashes her precious hairpin he gave her. Recovering from his injuries, Yuto torments Rokuro and Benio and after being defeated, threatens to launch an attack on the human world. Mortally wounded, Yuto "congratulates" Rokuro for becoming a being prophesied to destroy the world.
CoD Duo
Here's my second Steel Jeeg candidate.
What Is the Work?
Kotetsushin Jeeg is a 2007 sequel series to the original 1975 anime, though it technically takes place in an alternate continuity, as Ryuma isn’t mentioned at all, and Himika’s still alive. So technically, it’s considered a sequel reboot in the vein of say Creed. As such, I count this as its own continuity.
Kenji Kusanagi is your typical Hot-Blooded motorbike racer anime protagonist who must fight a returning foe using the Steel Jeeg mecha. He is helped by several new faces, as well as old ones (such as an older Micchi).
Who Is she?
Queen Himika is once again the evil Big Bad of the series, and the ruler of the Jama Kingdom. In this version, she was originally an alien who worked with Takeru (aka Ryo, who is actually Kenji’s uncle) and Miyazu (Kenji’s mom and Takeru’s sister).
What has she done?
In ancient times, she worked with Takeru and Miyazu as they destroyed many planets, later landing on Earth after their spaceship, Langoon, went haywire. Once they landed, Himika decided to take over the world, while Takeru and Miyazu wanted to live amongst the humans. Himika was then sealed away by the two in retaliation. To prepare for Himika’s revival, the two entered a long slumber with two of the Langoon’s control units: the Bronze Bells. One was given to Siba Hiroshi, while the other was given to Kenji. Once she’s later awaken years later with the goal of eradicating humanity, she fights Hiro and his friends for their Bell. Hiro later disappears after awakening something within him.
With Himika seeking the Bells for their power, while at the same time also wanting to destroy Kyushu, she creates a magical fog barrier that surrounds the island. The barrier not only causes it to be cloudy every day, but also forbid figures like the Navy and fighter jets from coming in to save everyone. What’s worse, the barrier traps the people from inside timewise; people outside the barrier have aged 50 years, while the people inside the barrier haven’t aged a day, meaning various people were separated from their families for 50+ years (think of it like anime Interstellar). She, as usual, sends out Haniwa Phantom Gods to destroy everything in their paths with the help of her henchmen Ikima, Amaso, and Mimashi. These monsters are created when she gives one of her henchmen a portion of her soul via kissing, even ordering her henchmen to be violent to their heart’s content.
She summons an army of Yomi (undead) soldiers from her walls, with the soldiers themselves actually resurrected corpses, and has them slaughter humans left and right, even approving of Mimashi’s plan to kill the JDSF who are attacking their base. In one episode, she has a Phantom place the team into a permanent sleeping state where they are trapped in dreams, all as a way to get Kenji’s Bronze Bell. She sends her three goons to go find Siba Hiroshi’s Bronze Bell in Sakaoka, which is where Hiroshi’s located; the Bell, as well as Hiroshi, are trapped inside Jeeg’s headpiece. The head piece is later taken by Ikima, with Himika trying, and failing, to destroy it for the goodies inside. Ikima mentions Kenji’s current Bronze Bell, and she sends them off to get that one. After she and Tsubaki make a connection with the power of the Bell, Himika desires revenge against her for preventing her from killing Kenji and taking his Bell.
An attack she later launches wounds Kyo, and leads to her capturing Tsubaki and take her to her volcano lair. She tries to steal Tsubaki’s powers, relishing in the moment. When she hears of Jeeg and the mighty tiger Balba invading her base, she’s confident that she will kill them. She uses Tsubaki as a mind-controlled weapon, having her steal Kenji’s and Hiroshi’s bronze bell, then tossing her aside afterwards, feeling like she doesn’t need her anymore, and would have killed her and Kenji if Kyo hadn’t interrupted her while revealing himself to be Takeru. Himika makes a getaway, sending her three henchmen to fight Takeru. While Takeru kills Mimashi, he’s immediately killed by Ikima. Using the Bells, Himika activates the Phantom Fortress and orders it to destroy everything in its path, including the Build Base (though its people are okay, as they have an underwater retreatment base).
With the Bells in hand, Himika heads to the moon to search for the Stone Well. Using the Bells, she unlocks the Great Bronze Bell within the Well. When she feels that Build Base is coming to get her, she sends her troops out to stop them, resulting in a space battle. She has the Great Bell power her ultimate mothership, allowing it to fire a laser that kills hundreds of fighters (both Build Base’s and hers). When Kenji and Tsubaki arrive to stop her, she tries to kill them. She then summons all the evil spirits of the world and uses them to create a gigantic monster, planning to have it devour Earth’s sorrows to grow, become stronger, and destroy humanity. She smiles when Kenji absorbs the evil monster as a way to stop it, only to become possessed. She then tries to kill Tsubaki when she tries to stop her. Himika laughs as humans from Earth start getting their souls sucked from their bodies, as well as natural disasters like tornadoes destroying it and the people on it. When Tsubaki and Kenji wield the Sakahoko—the Sword of Souls—the two use the power of kindness to power it up; Himika is flabbergasted by the power of feelings, and is then sealed away, likely forever.
Redeeming Qualities?
Nada. She shows no care for her henchmen, not even when they die. And even though she’s an alien, aliens in this series are shown to care for humans.
Heinousness?
She’s the main villain, so she’s easily the most heinous. Her henchmen, while bad—especially Ikima—don’t come close to her in terms of heinousness.
Conclusion
I think she’s a keeper
edited 7th Jun '18 11:06:46 AM by therealjackieboy
It's Spooky Month!

edited 7th Jun '18 8:15:20 AM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country