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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#119876: Jun 1st 2018 at 5:50:50 PM

@Scraggle Well we will see if they decide to add a single player mode or anything like it but for now I agree it doesn't matter. All the characters are competing to be the most evil that they are able to be, and that includes the sympathetic characters so as of now nobody seems heinous enough.

edited 1st Jun '18 5:52:39 PM by Knack

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#119877: Jun 1st 2018 at 5:51:42 PM

Under the request of several users here I modified Bryce's character page. I kept the Pet the Dog and Villainous Friendship tropes though as subversions of those tropes rather than straight examples.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119878: Jun 1st 2018 at 6:45:11 PM

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I decided to look at caopas tumblr and...yeah i think I'm gonna put agate back in the ring

Things are really about to get Fun around here
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#119879: Jun 1st 2018 at 6:47:02 PM

Found this on the YMMV page for The Passion of the Christ and deleted it.

edited 1st Jun '18 6:47:11 PM by k410ren

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#119880: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:14:31 PM

Smite it. Burn it.

The fact that it seems to be trying to use preaching on a secular format calls me to say double burn it.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:29:50 PM by Beast

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#119881: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:19:08 PM

If you took it off, someone added it back, because it is right back up.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#119882: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:19:36 PM

[up][up][up] Wow. We come back to the old ages where people put characters for insulting others.

[up] Lets summon the Mods and let them unleash the wrath of God on said troper

Listen, Fiend! Foul demon whose soul is tainted with darkness! Listen! And tremble in fear! I am Metatron! I am one with God! By his will, I shall destroy you!".

edited 1st Jun '18 7:21:51 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#119884: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:22:39 PM

[up][up][up]I don't think they took it off before; I'm looking at the history of that page and I see the last edit before that Complete Monster entry was added was from September 2017.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:24:11 PM by dragonfire5000

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119885: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:23:14 PM

so any way on camilas blog she outright said agate was in control of her actions (search Bravery and control) I tried posting before but it didn't work

edited 1st Jun '18 7:29:14 PM by Kylotrope

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Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#119886: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:23:45 PM

Burn that entry.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:24:12 PM by Knack

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#119887: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:25:21 PM

Do we have a policy that Word of God does not count? Or is that something I'm misremembering?

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#119888: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:27:28 PM

[up] Yeah. And is also Offscreen Villainy either way.

[down] I mean, the movie is explicitly religious. Applying IRL religious ideas into it is not really that bad. If it was in another movie it would be different, but we are talking about The Passion Of The Christ

edited 1st Jun '18 7:42:02 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#119889: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:31:26 PM

Obliterate ? If we're going for puns I'd take the Annhilate route.

Though seriously, using a secular platform to preach a relgious ideology is becoming a new Berserk Button of mine.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:31:54 PM by Beast

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#119890: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:40:15 PM

[up] Same for me, it's just... wrong.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119891: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:44:04 PM

So anyway the policy is that word of god can't just say there a complete monster and they would be added, Camila Jossed the theory she wasn't in control of her actions thus removing the Agency issue. Also it WAS Offscreen Villainy before glitchtale:origins came out and showed us her doing these acts

edited 1st Jun '18 8:54:33 PM by Kylotrope

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#119892: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:47:16 PM

[up] So, the creator herself said that the character have agency? I lean for a [tup] in that case

PD: Wait, the author is Chilean?. Nice.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:48:11 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
JoeBlitz Since: Dec, 2016
#119893: Jun 1st 2018 at 7:50:45 PM

I just torched that Passion entry, and I really recommend getting a mod to keep that from being put up again.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#119894: Jun 1st 2018 at 8:54:17 PM

Can you link to the post? If so you may have my vote as well, loathe as I am to say it.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119895: Jun 1st 2018 at 9:07:30 PM

I may sound like an idiot but im not sure how to link to something.Anyway to find it simply go to her tumblr and type "Bravery control" and you get the post.

edited 1st Jun '18 9:49:25 PM by Kylotrope

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Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119897: Jun 1st 2018 at 9:35:06 PM

Your very welcome and thanks for having an open mind

At first I felt like an idiot for not asking the question to the creator herself(especially as I recently joined tumblr and really enjoy it and became quiet active), THEN I found out someone already asked it and I felt outright embarrassed.

edited 1st Jun '18 9:50:54 PM by Kylotrope

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futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#119898: Jun 1st 2018 at 11:09:52 PM

That was...very interesting.

I’m behind like 300 pages. I got so much catching up to do!

Seems like Lloyd is gonna be cut. Oh well.

edited 1st Jun '18 11:12:57 PM by futuremoviewriter

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#119899: Jun 2nd 2018 at 4:15:09 AM

I'll request cutting Lloyd and Dead By Daylight!Myers tomorrow.

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#119900: Jun 2nd 2018 at 4:34:59 AM

Her blog is called "Cami-blog" in case there is confusion on that

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