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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#118451: May 14th 2018 at 8:43:02 PM

[up] no one counts. But I reserve the second season of the anime because why not

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#118452: May 14th 2018 at 8:46:12 PM

Okay. I've got someone bugging me on another site about why the Deep Sea King doesn't count. Do you guys remember why? I'd figure it be failing the heinous standard and legitamately caring about his people.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#118453: May 14th 2018 at 8:48:09 PM

To note, we don't care about other sties. You could probably just google search it and give an answer from there if you want.

But we won't fight your battles. It's Villains Wiki, I'm guessing? Well, either way, we don't want drama from other sties. So please don't worry about it. If they want to make an argument for the character counting here, they can come here and do it themselves, as long as they follow the other rules. Otherwise, none of our business or theirs.

Shadow?
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#118454: May 14th 2018 at 8:48:46 PM

Heinousness, in a nutshell, for purposes of this forum

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#118455: May 14th 2018 at 8:51:03 PM

[up][up]I understand that, I was just asking.

edited 14th May '18 8:51:28 PM by SumDumNerd

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#118457: May 14th 2018 at 10:35:36 PM

Writeups:

  • VOTOMS: Colonel Yoran Pailsen is a ruthless Mad Scientist who crafted an experiment on the world of Sunsa that involved burning hundreds of children alive to determine who had a unique 'survivalist' trait. Obsessed with creating the 'perfect soldier,' Pailsen directs his private unit, the Red Shoulders, to commit wartime atrocities and even fight to the death among themselves. In order to test his theories, Pailsen even manipulates the head of the military, Fedok Wockam into starting a pointless battle that leaves 120 million people dead, obsessed with furthering his research no matter the human cost.
  • Stargate: Nirrti is a ruthless System Lord who fancies herself a mad scientist. Well known for depleting populations of humans in her control so much that she had to begin poaching the slaves of other System Lords, Nirrti seeks to create the perfect host, and regularly depopulates entire planets in her domain. In one such instance, Nirrti left only a little girl alive, implanting a bomb inside her to explode in Stargate command. Later arriving with fellow lords Cronus and Yu under flag of truce, Nirrti plotted to assassinate Cronus and start a war between the Goa'uld and earth so she could seize Cronus's domain. In her final appearance, Nirrti is revealed to be using gene manipulation, devastating and torturing another population of innocents in her endless hunt for perfection.
  • Rampage: Corrupt Corporate Executive Claire Wyden is introduced informing a hapless scientist on a space station to 'return with a sample or not at all,' preventing her escape and eventually getting her killed. Running her business with ruthless efficiency and removing those in her way, Claire proves the depths of her evil when she learns her company's chemicals have turned three animals into massive monsters. She proceeds to use a signal to lure them to Chicago, causing untold casualties, solely to get them killed and collect samples off their corpses. Later, she even attempts to murder the heroes and skip town without a twinge of remorse for the lives she's destroyed.
  • The Wasp: The evil criminal mastermind the Wasp, real name Andre Bennett seeks to dominate the US's communication grids, using a series of bombings that target populated areas, including a dam, constantly foiled by his nemesis Mandrake the Magician. Seeking a special radium device to give him ultimate power he desires. When he tries to eliminate Mandrake, the Wasp even targets populated areas such as a train or large building with his bombings. In addition, the Wasp is also a terrible boss, gassing his subjects for failing him or even for knowing too much about his organization, willing to stop at nothing to secure his own domination over the world.
  • A lonely Place to Die: Kidd and Mcrae are a pair of kidnappers who abduct little girl Anna and bury her alive with only a breathing tube to extort her wealthy mother of all they can get, having abducted children before only to murder them if the parents refuse to pay. Murdering hikers who stumble across them, and a pair of poachers to get their guns, Kidd and Mcrae hunt down the hikers who rescue Anna, murdering police and civilians alike n town before ultimately going on a full rampage to kill all in their path to recover the girl.
  • Horrors of the Black Museum: Horror writer Edmond Bancroft gains new inspiration by using antiques rigged as torture devices to commit murder so he can write about it in the tabloids. Starting the film by using his hypnotized and brainwashed assistant Rick, Bancroft has a woman given a pair of binoculars that end up impaling her through the eyes, has his own girlfriend murdered after they break up and kills an antique store owner when she reveals she knows of his schemes. Becoming a true Serial Killer with his booby-trapped torture devices, Bancroft even has Rick murder his own girlfriend and then tries to have the cops murder him so nothing remains to tie Bancroft to the killings.
  • Horror Hospital: Dr. Christian Storm was a genius scientist seeking to create the 'perfect servants'. Using his connections to a brothel to abduct women to experiment on, Storm turned them into brainless, lobotomized slaves for his whims. Later injured in a fire that destroyed his 'zoo' thanks to a thief he murdered, Storm establishes Brittlehurst Manor, a health retreat that the uses to entrap and enslave or murder people. When the heroes are captured, Storm tries to subject them to the same horrific treatment, even taking a woman to assault before beating her to death when she resists.
  • Conan: The ruthless Shah Amurath is a Hyrkanian Shah in service to Turan. A sadistic slave trader, Amurath purchases a woman named Olivia and proceeds to rape, brutalize and degrade her to his heart's content. A great believer in torture, Amurath has one of Conan's close followers among the Kozaks tortured to near death and later ambushes the Kozaks in revenge for them humiliating him in battle. Refusing any quarter, Amurath has many Kozaks tortured to death and fed to the vultures, with only Conan as a survivor. When Olivia attempts to flee Amurath attempts to hunt her down and abduct her again, vowing he will not soon grow tired of violating her.
  • Darc: Ginzo Kageyama is the Oyabun of the Kageyama family, who runs his business on human trafficking and prostitution. When the hero Darc is a young boy his mother is forced to work in the Kageyama brothels where the women experience violent abuse. When Darc's mother resists, Ginzo personally slits her throat in retribution. Later abducting an Interpol agent's daughter to keep him off the syndicate's back, Ginzo threatens to have her murdered if her father interferes further. When his own son is killed by Darc, Ginzo is only annoyed as to the problems it causes to the syndicate and threatens the only witness's family before luring the Interpol agent out by faking his daughter's hanging using said witness. When he has the girl, Renee, at gunpoint, Ginzo attempts to force Darc to kill himself by promising Renee will live, only to reveal he plans to sell her into sexual slavery anyways.
  • Iczelion: The wicked sibling team of Cross and Chaos travel the galaxy with their forces, the Geas, murdering and destroying all they find. They strip a planet of resources, killing everything there and then hunt down the planet's defenders, the Iczelion, before murdering them, the OVA starting with Cross gleefully torturing an Iczelion to death after wiping out all life on her world. Arriving on earth, Chaos dispatches his strongest soldiers, the Voids, to wipe out entire cities and kill as many people as possible while Cross targets the new Iczelion, gleefully trying to murder her innocent civilian friends and kill and torture as many innocents as she can.

edited 14th May '18 10:39:53 PM by Lightysnake

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118458: May 14th 2018 at 10:46:34 PM

[tup]Bancroft

But [tdown]Everybody else from my last post.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118459: May 14th 2018 at 10:51:26 PM

Where should Nirrti go? Before Anubis? After him but before Repli-Carter? After both?

Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118460: May 14th 2018 at 10:59:17 PM

[up] If I remember she appears before the two of them.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118461: May 14th 2018 at 11:00:25 PM

[up][up]She predates both of them by a few seasons, so put her on the top of the tree.

edited 14th May '18 11:00:37 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#118462: May 15th 2018 at 12:04:00 AM

Alright, I got one more before my batch…

What's the setting?

The Fighting Fist of Shanghai Joe is an old film that's simultaneously a Western and a kung-fu flick. Premise is our titular “Shanghai Joe,” a patient and generous man from China, immigrates to the USA in the 1880s, looking to become a cowboy in Texas. The constant racism of the era ends up trying Joe’s patience and earning him a fair few enemies until one powerful cattle baron offers him a job as a rancher. Except, as Joe finds out? The “cattle” he's roping are actually Mexican slaves… and the cattle baron, Stanley Spencer, ain't exactly a rootin’ tootin’ guy.

Who is Stanley Spencer? What has he done?

Projecting the image of a wealthy and generous cattle baron, Spencer is actually a ruthless slaveholder who exploits starving Mexican immigrants with the promise of jobs… holding them under binding, illegal contract, Spencer works slaves under gruelling labor for pennies, having each new load marched in awful conditions through by the dozens, whipped and led by his mercenary “ranchers” to his estate. Now, Joe is clearly uncomfortable with the job when the truth is revealed, but the vilest part of the operation? Spencer enforces a zero-witness policy to his slave operation, so if his men see any authorities as they transport the slaves, Spencer enforces that his men scatter… and massacre every slave to the last, with any runaways detained, tortured, and executed regularly. Joe turns on Spencer when he sees this in person with all but one of the twenty-eight slaves slaughtered, with the sole survivor remarking this is far from the first time this has happened.

Spencer has Joe captured and tortures him, beating him to a bloody pulp, threatening to drain him of every drop of blood in his body and making him watch as he and his men take turns shooting and hanging prisoners who had attempted to escape, laughing merrily the whole while. Joe manages to turn the tables and captured Spencer, riding him out to the middle of the desert where Joe degrades him as a “rotten mass of flesh” as Spencer begs for his life. Joe leaves Spencer to the authorities, but Spencer uses his connections to get away and repays mercy with ingratitude. Determined more than ever to kill Joe for this humiliation, Spencer puts a five-thousand dollar bounty on Joe’s head, sending the worst of the worst like a cannibal and a scalper to murder Joe with other innocents terrorized or murdered along the way.

Spencer initially thinks one of his contractors got Joe and promises the lecherous man one of his women...however, when that turns out to be a farce? Spencer vows to start executing prisoners one after another each day until Joe is turned in. Spencer eventually hires Joe's rival and enemy from when he was trained and given the symbol of the Red Lotus which ultimately ends with Joe victorious... unfortunately, Spencer is never directly punished but Joe rides free of Spencer's clutches and vowing to liberate the victims of injustice, with Spencer likely on the way. There is a sequel I might look into, but Spencer doesn't seem to appear in it.

Any mitigating factors?

Heavens no. Spencer’s a vile, sadistic coward without a trace of honor or altruism repeatedly degraded as the face of everything wrong with America during the time period. He sets the heinous standard and easily clears with slavery, massacres, and torture aplenty… now, one of the bounty hunters may narrowly clinch his way onto the trope, but he and all the rest of them are on Spencer’s payroll from start to close and Spencer's far above any of them heinous-wise.

Conclusion?

Stanley Spencer is a keep, and a two-in-one for me for both a Western villain and a kung-fu one.

Thoughts?

edited 15th May '18 12:08:14 AM by Scraggle

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118463: May 15th 2018 at 12:11:16 AM

[tup]spencer.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
JoeBlitz Since: Dec, 2016
#118465: May 15th 2018 at 12:44:21 AM

[tup] Bancroft and Spencer.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
Giantleviathan Since: Apr, 2016
#118466: May 15th 2018 at 2:44:46 AM

In the case of Simula saying that she wishes she felt guilt, it wasn't out of any kind of regret. She makes it clear that she DOESN'T feel regret, nor remorse. Her desire to feel guilt was said in the context that she wants to feel ANY emotion. Hatred, Happiness, guilt, pleasure, anything. Word of God has compared her to a drug addict looking for her fix.

She treats the phrase "I want to feel guilt" the same way someone who's never eaten Japanese might say "I wonder what fugu tastes like?"

What disqualifies it as a redeeming factor to me is that she commits her absolute worst crimes AFTER she makes that comment. She knowingly and willingly murders her own child and her lover even after everyone had accepted her onto the team and given her a chance to redeem herself.

So while I feel that humanity is enough to keep her from being a Generic Doomsday Villain, it's NOT enough to stop her being a Complete Monster, since it doesn't make her anymore redeemable than any other case of The Sociopath. Just more self aware.

edited 15th May '18 2:47:41 AM by Giantleviathan

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118467: May 15th 2018 at 2:50:38 AM

[tup] Spencer. A Karma Houdini in a kung fu western? just bugs me

What's the count for Cheryl?

Tomorrow I'll remove Loki from the "Never-Again" list, submit the comics reformat, and if there are enough votes cut 001,

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#118468: May 15th 2018 at 7:24:31 AM

Yes to Lighty and Scraggle's candidates.

The issue with Simula is everything about her "wishing to feel guilt" line is incredibly speculative and interpreting it as her just wishing to try something different leans too heavily on writing off a potential mitigating quality for me.

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#118469: May 15th 2018 at 7:25:24 AM

[tup] Spencer

I'm not done yet.

What's the Work?

Yet another long-runner, the Martin Beck TV series has lasted for over 50 years, more specifically 1967, starting out as a films series, and the novels came even earlier. The series is about a commissioner named... Martin Beck, who is the nicest man in the entire world and doesn't really have an actual life outside his job. His colleague, Gunvald, is arguably the reason the newer series has lasted, due to having lots of hammy dialogue, always beating up criminals in the episodes, and therefore becoming a big meme here in little Sweden.

In season 1, when the series was at its peak, it included a Big Bad, a recurring villain, who wasn't a Serial Killer, but a gangster. The villain was involved in all sorts of deals, and was hated even by fellow criminals. Gavling. Now, he has quite alot of history, so I'm gonna try to make it as short as possible.

What does he do?

First appearing in White Nights, Gavling is involved in smuggling drugs, which will be used for a party where teenagers are using the drugs while partying, thus never losing the energy (the drugs give them energy), and they party the entire night. The event is dangerous to say the least, since, due to the drugs, the participants don't actually feel when they are starting to become too tired, with two of the participants actually dying. When Micke Sjogren, Martin Beck's biological son, who has gone wrong in life and became a drug dealer, fails, Gavling's henchmen shoot and kill him, which is one of the saddest things in the series.

In Guesthouse Pearl, the same episode Gorzi appeared in, Gavling makes his next appearance. Here he has a pretty minor role, but is still technically the Greater-Scope Villain, since he was the one dealing with Gorzi. Then again, Gavling didn't actually choose how it was going to be done, that was on Gorzi, so we do not need to cut Gorzi.

In The Money Man, Gavling makes his biggest appearance, where he starts getting really personal with Martin and Gunvald. After all, Gavling is behind Martin's son's death. The episode starts with Martin sleeping, and having nightmares about Gavling, until he wakes up and realizes it was a dream. When Martin wakes up, he gets the news that a homosexual police officer has been killed, which Gavling is behind. Gavling killed him due to using him as a leak, only to later realize that he knew too much. After Martin visited a gay club to talk with Leonard, a man who had a relatio ship with the police officer, Gavling threatens to kill Leonard if he doesn't "shut up".

Gavling instantly starts attacking Martin's family after this, sending his mercenary to threaten Martin's daughter by kidnapping her newborn baby and hiding it. Martin confronts Gavling, and says that he used to respect Gavling in one way or another, but has now gone too far. Gavling discusses with Martin, telling Martin pretty much the same thing, before a flashback scene is shown during Gavling's early years as a mercenary, killing a drug dealer's newborn baby after the man wasn't able to pay him. Martin asks Gavling how it feels to throw a baby down from a balcony, and Gavling just smugly grins and walks away.

The day after, Martin visits Leonard, and Leonard tells him that he was blackmailed by Gavling to write a fake suicide text in order to lure the police into thinking that the police officer committed suicide. Gavling orders his mercenary to kill Leonard, which he does while Leonard is talking with Martin, preparing to kill Martin as well, but Martin manages to hide in time. Gavling's next victim is the mother of the newborn baby he killed, who didn't want to continue the testimony due to being blackmailed by Gavling, but Martin discussed with her about whether or not she wanted to testimony again, if she was braver this time. After thinking for a while, she decided that she wanted to do it, as long as she got a new identity and a new house in Spain, which Martin happily helped with. However, it doesn't go as expected, and Gavling had in fact stalked her, knowing that she'd witness. He follows her to her home, knocks out a police officer who happened to be walking up the stairs, and then knocks on her door. She opens, but instead of finding Martin there, she finds Gavling. Gavling pushes her against her chair, and he grabs a syringe which would cause an overdose, taunting her that she'll "finally get as high as she wanted back in the day", and admitting that her husband committed suicide after Gavling killed their baby. Martin and the police come in time though. In his final moments, Gavling, instead of accepting defeat, tries shooting down all six of the police members, nearly killing Martin, before being killed by Martin himself.

Heinousness?

If his murders aren't enough, then their definitely personal enough to make him qualify.

Mitigating Fac-

Not even close. There could be an argument that he sees his mercenary as a son, that is not true. While he DOES give him the rights to use his luxury car for over a day, Gavling becomes absolutely pissed at him when he doesn't protect him "enough", although it is obvious his Mercenary does his best to protect Gavling.

Conclusion

I'm gonna give a [tup], but you'll decide.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#118470: May 15th 2018 at 7:33:17 AM

[tup] to Spencer and Galving

[down][tup] To Jack

edited 15th May '18 11:11:11 AM by G-Editor

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#118471: May 15th 2018 at 8:29:43 AM

Yes to Spence and Gavling. Since Scraggle has posted the first Shanghai Joe keeper, here's the potential second...One of the bounty hunters sent by Spencer. I give you, played by Klaus Kinski, one of the best villain actors and probably one of the most evil individuals in real life to portray a CM onscreen...Scalper Jack.

Who is Scalper Jack?

A legalized Serial Killer and a vicious, sadistic monster of a man, Scalper Jack is the last bounty hunter dispatched by Spencer, well known for his habit of taking...trophies from his helpless victims. in the form of their scalps. Now, when Joe is on the move after help from a friendly old doctor, Jack ends up ambushing the doctor, and violently tortures him with his knives to get Joe's location. After getting enough? He scalps the man alive and murders him. Tracking down Joe, Scalper Jack proceeds to torture him by shooting him multiple times nonfatally and beating him viciously, dragging him back along with Joe's girlfriend Christina.

There? Jack reveals his latest trophy along with a huge amount of scalps from the victims he's taken, and his genuine sadistic nature. Before killing and scalping Joe? He plans to rape, torture and scalp Christina, even mocking her that it's more fun to scalp victims when they're still alive. Before he can, however, Joe roars back to life, fights Jack and ends up impaling him with his own scalping knives, before sending Jack's own scalp back to Spencer in a box.

Mitigating Qualities?

Jack uses every single moment he's onscreen to be terrifying and memorable, and he lacks enormously in resources next to the depraved Spencer. However, in that time, Jack is a torturer, an attempted rapist, a serial killer, and values a particularly horrific form of murder and torture, barely able to cross anyone's path without slaughtering them. We also see more than enough of his typical pattern and clear evidence of a ton of victims, so I'm inclined to give a good yes here. He's also far worse than the other bounty hunters, none of whim get up to what he does onscreen.

Conclusion?

I'd give an easy keeper.

edited 15th May '18 8:30:03 AM by Lightysnake

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118472: May 15th 2018 at 8:30:30 AM

Leaning a [tup], but how does he compare to Dag?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118473: May 15th 2018 at 8:35:52 AM

[tup]Jack and gavling

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ClownPrince47 Since: Sep, 2016
#118474: May 15th 2018 at 8:37:20 AM

[tup] Spencer, Galving, and reluctantly for Scalper.

Also, I took the time to rewrite the Ruby and Nora series write-ups:

  • The Ruby and Nora series:
    • Ruby's Birthday: Admah Keter was incarcerated for the killing his mother and three families. When he and a handful of Vale's most dangerous criminals are placed in an Atlas airship for the Halloween weekend, Keter tricks his guard into unlocking his cuffs, which negated his teleportation Semblance, and strangled him to death. Making off with hacker Hector Blood, Keter forced him to find the family of the guard that released him, along with hacking into Beacon's files, under threat of murdering his family. Killing a store owner for her scissors, Keter killed a teenage girl and her family for laptop, then killed the guard's family after Hector found their location. When Hector hacks into Beacon's files, Keter plans to cut out Ruby's silver eyes when he learns their importance to Ozpin. He then kills Hector, along with an Atlas soldier investigating his crimes. When he finds Ruby, he stabs Weiss to draw her out and abducts her, taking her to an abandoned building, then calling Yang and Pyrrha to brag, before forcing them to confront him or he'll kill Ruby.
    • Weiss and Pyrrha: Nurse Abigail Lemon is an unrepentant Serial Killer who works where Weiss is recovering. She initially acts like good person, but her true colors show in the second chapter. Her patients under her care tend to have a habit of dying and Weiss would have been one of them, via a morphine overdose, had she not reacted fast enough. Instead, Abby reopens Weiss' stitches, almost causing her to bleed to death. When caught by Pyrrha, she unleashes her Semblance, an EMP, and kills almost 100 people on life support to make her escape. She later lures Pyrrha and three cops into a trap while leaving a book of all the people she killed and the dates that she killed them. As Pyrrha looks at it in horror, Abby kills the three cops while in hiding while claiming that having such power over life and death makes her a goddess, Abby is only stopped from killing Pyrrha because of the latter's Semblance.
    • Field Trip: Father Tiresias Scorch is a bat-Faunus who is the leader of the White Fang, and the man responsible for turning it into a terrorist organization. He claims to be a messenger of the gods and wants to rid the world of humans and homosexuals. His first act in the story is forcing Ilia to kill her lover, Lily, after they were caught kissing each other. He later finds out about the Beacon students after Adam caught Blake and Yang, after which he orders the teachers to be brought to him to watch the destruction and the students to be killed, promising to show Ruby's body to Yang. He loads bombs onto a train running under Vale to let Grimm into the city to destroy it, while allowing several of his men to die when they go off. He surveys the destruction with satisfaction, but when his plan fails, he kills Ren and Ilia out of spite. He cared for no one but himself and even referred to his own followers as replaceable.

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