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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#118426: May 14th 2018 at 6:08:50 PM

Here's my writeup for Fabien Garcia.

  • Fabien Garcia is a stuntman turned director who desires fame and success. Writing and directing an ambitious movie titled The Price of Success, he coerces an actor to play the movie’s villain, a sadistic filmmaker who forces Fabien and his stuntman friends to run a deadly gauntlet, pitting them against armed criminals and thugs, and forcing them to kill people, with every one of Fabien’s friends dying in the process. To give his characters motivation, he kidnaps and ties up his own girlfriend and Lohan’s wife. After killing Lohan himself, he later murders the filmmaker’s actor in cold blood, gleefully forcing Lohan’s wife to cry on camera after revealing her husband’s death. Claiming to be giving his friends a boost in fame, Fabien only cared for himself, viewing his friends as tools to further his career in cinema.

edited 14th May '18 6:09:11 PM by therealjackieboy

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#118427: May 14th 2018 at 6:08:53 PM

Offscreen Villainy still affects the heinous standard. We might not see the rest of his race, but their existence still affect is qualification.

He is following orders of a race composed of evil people so naturally he would be as heinous as he is.

That is my point. All his race is equally evil, he is just the one that we meet personally.

I just accept being from a Always Chaotic Evil race when they go and break taboos from their own species, and in this case, 001 was just doing his duty.

Unless we are given solid evidence that he is lying and his race is not evil (or not as evil), I say cut.

edited 14th May '18 6:13:48 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118428: May 14th 2018 at 6:10:45 PM

@Cr0w I know that, I have read plenty of SC Ps myself, I just wanted to know if there is ANY indication that any of the other candidates are mentioned, if they aren't than I guess he is a yes.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#118429: May 14th 2018 at 6:11:17 PM

Offscreen Villainy absolutely does not affect the heinous standard and we have a thousand examples of that being true. That being said, if the story has a line explaining he's Just Following Orders then that would be basis for a cut.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#118430: May 14th 2018 at 6:12:03 PM

[up][up] No other candidates (or other SC Ps by extension) are mentioned in the entry.

[down] Hope you like it, it's just so complex and mysterious, definately one of my favorites.

edited 14th May '18 6:15:25 PM by TheMadCr0w

Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118431: May 14th 2018 at 6:13:54 PM

I am checking the story now.

[up] In that case yes to Marshall. I think he does JUST enough.

EDIT: Okay so it doesn't EXPLICITLY say in 001's story he is following orders directly, but it is seriously implied he is so he is likely a cut.

edited 14th May '18 6:48:32 PM by Knack

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#118432: May 14th 2018 at 6:20:36 PM

[tdown] 001. It makes me feel a bit sad because I like the concept of a Alien that wants screw with humanity until they willing accept slavery, but he is just a worker in a world full of evil assholes.

[tup] Marshall

edited 14th May '18 6:29:55 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118433: May 14th 2018 at 6:23:31 PM

Yeah, a couple of lines specifically pertaining to his whole race makes it questionable. So cut 001.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#118436: May 14th 2018 at 6:36:43 PM

Cut 001, he's just a cog in a really awful machine.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#118437: May 14th 2018 at 6:37:54 PM

Cut 001 and no to the other SCP one.

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118439: May 14th 2018 at 6:51:49 PM

And I suppose this is important info as well, he and his race seem to have a SERIOUSLY screwed up concept of what love is. To where he goes on a five paragraph speech, at least, about how what they are doing to humans is how they are showing their "love". It is bizarre but the plot doesn't do anything to determine whether or not he is actually making this up.

edited 14th May '18 6:54:01 PM by Knack

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#118440: May 14th 2018 at 6:52:23 PM

Just gonna leave this here:

  • Butcher, Baker, Nightmare Maker: Cheryl Roberts is Billy's disturbed, possessive mother and a woman who will go to extreme lenghts to keep her son with her. Having murdered her ex-boyfriend in the past, Craig, Cheryl preserves his mummified body in the basement. Aside from drugging Billy to ensure that he will lose his scholarship, Cheryl stabs a man to death for rejecting her sexual advances, murders a noisy neighbor with a machete and abducts Billy's girlfriend, Julia. When the benevolent Seargent Cook comes to save Julia, Cheryl chops his hand off and slashes his throat.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#118443: May 14th 2018 at 7:02:35 PM

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from upvoting Crow's candidate so please don't take this post that way but someone said it was a "horror drama" and questioned whether it was a slasher... the first line in the description literally says it's a Slasher Movie.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#118444: May 14th 2018 at 7:09:51 PM

[up] I just thought that despite being a Slasher, it sounded different enought from the usual "killer kill teenagers".

It didnt change my vote at all.

Watch me destroying my country
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#118445: May 14th 2018 at 7:10:10 PM

[up] I made the page. It is a slasher, but an unconventional one with a lot of Psychological Horror, the psychological stuff being what motivated me to tell Cr0w about the character.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#118446: May 14th 2018 at 7:15:55 PM

[up] Which i appreciate, non-conventional slashers like this one are lacking these days.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#118447: May 14th 2018 at 7:27:37 PM

A slasher flick is still a slasher flick and I don't see how Cheryl stands out. Add in her potential sanity issues and I'm a "no" on her.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#118448: May 14th 2018 at 7:51:48 PM

"No" to Cheryl and those SCP candidates.

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#118449: May 14th 2018 at 8:18:55 PM

I'll also vote no on Cheryl. I'm not convinced.

edited 14th May '18 8:19:03 PM by erazor0707

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#118450: May 14th 2018 at 8:41:09 PM

Hey, real quick: Have we touched on any One Punch Man villains yet?

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here

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