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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#118176: May 12th 2018 at 2:42:08 PM

Yea to Morton and the Doctor. Solid BOP ccandidates there

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118178: May 12th 2018 at 2:44:19 PM

[tup]Morton

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118179: May 12th 2018 at 2:47:42 PM

[tup] Morton. I actually hesitated for a few seconds; as I'm sure migraines can be quite nasty, but still...

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118181: May 12th 2018 at 2:51:57 PM

Am I missing anything?

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#118182: May 12th 2018 at 2:53:38 PM

X-Files rewrites. I know someone read the post.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#118183: May 12th 2018 at 2:58:32 PM

[tup] Morton

If you want to rewrite the X-Files people, go for it.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#118184: May 12th 2018 at 3:01:52 PM

[tup] to all of the previous candidates after Zen Master Flash to here and switching on abstaining on Marcela

edited 12th May '18 3:02:33 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#118185: May 12th 2018 at 3:22:56 PM

[tup] Harper, Lodder, Mad Doctor, Brother EYE, and Morton. I'm not really sure how to improve the X-Files entries, I'm not very familiar with the series.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118186: May 12th 2018 at 3:27:37 PM

Alright here's Macolm's write-up:

  • Malcolm from episode 10, Gladiatrix is the misognystic owner of the titular illegal fighting club. Malcolm has Metahuman woman kidnapped and uses a drug to give them uncontrollable rage to make them fight to the death for the amusement of him and his customers. Any fighters who dont strike the killing blow on there opponent are tortured to death for his A Control Freak of the highest order, he also uses electric shock collars which inflict horrfic pain to keep his fighters docile and under his control.

Thoughts ?

edited 12th May '18 3:41:33 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Knack Since: Mar, 2018
#118188: May 12th 2018 at 3:35:16 PM

Yes to Harper, Lukas, Brother EYE, The Mad Doctor, and Morton from that lousy DC tv series.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#118189: May 12th 2018 at 3:35:24 PM

[up][up]Whats the difference ?

Edit: Actually looking at the definitions He-Man Woman Hater would work better.

edited 12th May '18 3:40:59 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#118190: May 12th 2018 at 3:38:42 PM

Here are my Crazed drafts.

  • Damien Logan is the leader of Hector Luna’s sex trafficking operation, and Ronan Pierce’s arch enemy. Once Ronan’s special ops partner during a raid in South America, Damien proceeded to cause carnage for fun, even attempting to rape a young woman. After getting shot by Ronan, Damien survives and plots his revenge. Kidnapping Ronan’s wife and having Lodder rape and kill his daughter, Damien sends DVDs to Ronan bragging about her suffering, with some containing footage of her being tortured, which goes on for seven years. Planning to take Harbor City as his own, Damien tries to kill Ronan when he arrives to save his wife.

  • Lukas Lodder, the half-brother of Hector Luna, is a psychopathic, pedophilic Mad Artist who takes great pleasure in causing pain and torment. Working with the aforementioned Damien Logan on ruining Ronan Pierce’s life, Lodder proceeded to rape and murder his young daughter Sarah, later torturing Ronan’s wife for seven years. Kidnapping a girl named Lizzy, he lures Ronan over to save her, only to knock him out and leave him for dead. Having access to multiple women, he keeps them caged and tortures them to death, calling the corpses “works of art.” When Rex Galliger invades his hideout, Lodder tries to have him killed for interrupting his fun. Promising Ronan that he’ll rape Lizzy, he brags to him about raping his daughter.

  • The Mad Doctor is a sadistic scientist who’s the leader of an organ harvesting operation where organs are sold for money. In charge of securing Hector Luna’s funding, the Doctor has various people, criminals, and sex slaves brought to him, where he and his doctors proceed to wrap them in ceramic wrap and have them injected with a serum that prevents them from moving or screaming, performing the operations while the victim’s awake and in pain.

Any edits or suggestions are welcome.

edited 12th May '18 3:39:03 PM by therealjackieboy

It's Spooky Month!
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#118191: May 12th 2018 at 3:47:34 PM

I talked with a friend and I took a choice.

Cut Jua Mu Dalby from Super Robot Wars Judgment.

He fails the heinous standard.

He's a nasty misogynist bully that likes blowing up military bases and don't care for civilians.

But he lives in a world with Gauron and Costello. Sadistic Blood Knight is a common villainous trope there and Jua Mu is equally bad as his fellow Ax-Crazy. He is also the strongest of them and the one with the biggest screentime yet he don't manage to Out-evil neither Garon' personal nastiness or Costello Kill All Humans mania.

Sorry Jua Mu, but a lot of people in SRW J want Kill All Humans.

He could count if he was the only villain as The Brute but he's far from being the only one. He should be destroying cities by himself to count.

Maybe Masaki Kihara can count as he fills a very personal psychological torturer role.

edited 12th May '18 3:52:09 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#118192: May 12th 2018 at 3:55:21 PM

I can't remember...do Gauron and Gostello actually commit the crimes they do in series? Because just being there isn't enough.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#118193: May 12th 2018 at 3:59:50 PM

[up] Gauron still blows up cities and everything on his way, while also keeping his creepiness towards Sousuke. He also did ally with Dr. Hell on his Take Over the World plan.

Costello is still a raving Psycho that tries to kill everything on his way.

edited 12th May '18 4:00:53 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
JoeBlitz Since: Dec, 2016
#118194: May 12th 2018 at 4:06:55 PM

[tup] All of the above.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118195: May 12th 2018 at 4:20:07 PM

Miraculous, please add Malcolm to the Drafts in the appropriate place.

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#118196: May 12th 2018 at 4:59:05 PM

edited 12th May '18 5:06:49 PM by TheMadCr0w

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#118197: May 12th 2018 at 5:03:19 PM

I've been waiting for a creepy Dark Web CM like this. [tup] Violet.

edited 12th May '18 5:03:31 PM by MenInGreyToBlak

Knack Since: Mar, 2018
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#118199: May 12th 2018 at 5:05:12 PM

Heinous enough, movie seems to have enough of a plot, but is it only implied that she doesn't believe her BS? Because otherwise she sounds too batshit insane.

[up] Oh, well, nevermind then [lol]

edited 12th May '18 5:05:52 PM by ACW

TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#118200: May 12th 2018 at 5:06:11 PM

[up][up] Awnnnn cmon, guess i didn't search enough. Oh well, shit like this happens [lol]. Guess i'm gonna compensate with a Kamen Rider baddie i've been planning on proposing for a long time.

edited 12th May '18 5:08:28 PM by TheMadCr0w


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