During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
To be discussed, A fanfic needs SOME level of quality, or at least coherence.
A fanfic about a villain commiting murders for the sake of it might count, a fic about a Ron the Death Eater killing people definitively not.
edited 10th Apr '18 5:51:40 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countrySeen the CM Discussion date..... Wow! So many games that got inputted in there I dont even know where to start. I may just gonna start picking which games that I love but eh..... I dont want to fell into rumor territory haha. Despite I like Anime, I'm also a Video Game nerd sooooo
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
to the previous candidates. Wanna go to the Deep Web?
What is the setting? Welcome to the Game is an indie game duology all about the deep web. In the first game, you are a Nightmare Fetishist searching for the infamous "Red Room", and in the sequel you are an Intrepid Reporter investigating the disappearance of Amelea, the latest victim of a series of homicides perpetrated by "Prey", a group of people who kidnap and hunt women in the middle of the woods. Prey is actually a division of Noir, a Nebulous Evil Organization whose presence can be found in the darkest places of the deep web. Our candidate is not a member of Prey or Noir, but the duology's sickest antagonist, The Doll Maker.
Who is The Doll Maker? The Doll Maker is an elderly European surgeon who immigrated to the US for a chance of work. That's good right? This old man left his home country to help people in another continent, until we discover his "specialization". Hosting a website on the deep web to sell his products, The Doll Maker buys young women between the ages of 18-22 from halfway houses and transforms them into "easily manageable toys", aware of everything that is happening to them but unable to move or speak. In his clinic, Doll Maker creates a new identity for the girls and is not interested in knowing their real names, since they "only exist as a toy", and reveals that he keeps a couple of them for himself, "Dasha", a 19-years-old girl in her final stage of transformation, and "Tanya", a 22-years-old living doll who has been with him for two years, being forced to do god knows what. During the operation, Doll Maker amputates their arms and legs so the girl "will never run away from you". After this, Doll Maker psychologically tortures them until they accept their new lives as nothing more than objects.
As for his potential buyers, Doll Maker tells them that they can abuse the girls if they wish, since they are toys made for pleasure, any kind of pleasure. In the sequel, his role is far more expanded. Because some of the other girls died from necrosis or dismemberment during sex or hanging; something which disappointed him since "using her mouth while hanging your bed is a very satisfying experience but very messy if the legs tear", Doll Maker has "improved" his operations, not to give them less pain, but simply to make them be more obedient and last longer. After visiting his website, Doll Maker will play a music box to announce his presence, leave one of his living dolls (with obvious signs of abuse) in front of your door and shut off your energy. If you go out, the Doll Maker will put a knife against your throat, and tell you in a calming, almost welcoming voice that he hopes you liked what you saw, before threatening to kill you if you don't provide a woman from your own apartment complex to be his next victim.
Mitigating Factors? Of all the criminals lurking in the deep web, this guy is hands-down the most repugnant and deporable. Not only does he sell poor girls as sex objects, he is sadistic enough to make you send a innocent person to a horrible, cruel fate. His methods are so extreme that even another deep web user calls him a "fucked up" individual.
Conclusion? You decide.
The Doll Maker is literally the same guy of the Lolita Slave Toy creepypasta.
Oh dear God, hell yes.
(also, we have counted that Creepypasta/Horror story? The doctor of that history is literally the same guy as
, except that his victims are even younger)
edited 10th Apr '18 7:24:33 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my country
to the Dollmaker.
We do actually have a page for the second game, just in case anyone is curious: Welcome to the Game II.
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Is basically just hearing the doctor selling his product. Is a miseryfest. Dunno, I linked the story, I think that it had enough plot to count.
Lolita Slave Toy creepypasta
if anyone want read it and see if it counts as Pointless gore or that if it deserves being treated as a real story.
I am biased because it was like, one of my first creepypastas. So I am fond of it, but dunno the rest.
(I am talking about the creepypasta, the Doll Maker of that game is literally the same guy from the Lolita Slave Toy creepypasta)
Sorry for traumatizing you. Albeit, given that I said that it was literally the same guy as the Doll Maker you should, well, expected that.
edited 10th Apr '18 7:36:58 PM by KazuyaProta
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This game has a great amount of plot into it, the duology even has its own spinoffs like the famous Don't Ride With Strangers or The Waiting Room, in which you play as an associate of Amelea. (Were you talking about the creepypasta? Oh well, anyway, keeping this information here is good.)
I have seen that creepypasta, it has been burned into my memory. No worries friend, i know this story for years, but i was never able to forget about it
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edited 10th Apr '18 7:37:59 PM by TheMadCr0w
So. We can count "Lolita Slave Doll" as a a "actual story" and see if its Unnamed Doctor counts as a keeper for this page.
Also. Obviously a
to the Unnamed Doctor of the Lolita Slave Doll Creepypasta.
edited 10th Apr '18 7:44:23 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countryWilford's writeup is over 300 words and having seen Snowpiercer, I'll agree he's bad but that length is a little unnecessary:
- Snowpiercer: The Snowpiercer's creator, Wilford, is a selfish megalomaniac who wishes to control the remnants of mankind. Combating global warming with a risky procedure that ends up freezing the world over, Wilford takes advantage of the catastrophe to seemingly save mankind with the titular ever-running train. Creating a caste system, Wilford tries to starve the impoverished people at the tail end of the train, resulting in them having to resort to cannibalism to survive. Under his iron-fisted authority, the upper-class of the trains have their children educated to worship him as a godlike figure and he continues to mistreat the lower-class people of the train's rear-end, feeding them disgusting bars made from cockroaches. To keep the tail-enders under his control, Wilford uses his mole, Gilliam, to occasionally organize riots doomed to fail, ostensibly to let them purge their anger and costing many of them their lives. When Curtis tries to insight his own rebellion against Wilford, Wilford has Gilliam killed for failing to stop him and orders a massacre of the tail-enders, putting the slaughter on speakerphone to mock Curtis. Revealed to run his train with children in the engine, Wilford is a callous man with a god-complex, who only saved humanity at all to create a cult where he could feel adored as a messiah.
Also, I'll throw in a yea for Crow's candidate while I'm here.
edited 10th Apr '18 8:10:59 PM by 43110
@The Mad Cr0w Alright..... That solidifies my yes vote then.
@Kazuya If you feel that the Unnamed Doctor of the Lolita Slave Doll Creepypasta....I'm cool with you EP him.
Right
edited 10th Apr '18 8:25:58 PM by ElfenLiedFan90
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."I am busy for now, but basically. The same things as Crow candidate (except forcing someone to give him woman) except that his victims are even younger.
I am gonna try anyway. (I will leave it as it is, I am busy)
- What is the setting?
Lolita Slave Doll. You know, that gory creepypasta popular in 2013 about a doctor turning little girls into slave dools.
- Who is The Doctor?
The Doctor an Eastern European surgeon that does buy little girls from Ophanages of Europe and transform them into sex dolls.
He cuts their arms and legs and reemplaces them for small metal rods, pull out their tooths and reemplace them for silicon dentures and cut their vocal chords before torturing them to turn them into submissive slaves ready to be sold to the highest bid.
He passes the heinous standard by far.
Besides the process itself, he also talk about having pre-teen slaves including pregnant ones and constantly share tips of how take care of them.
- Mitigating Factors?
Nah, he is kinda afable to his clients, but that is all.
- Overall judgement?
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edited 10th Apr '18 8:36:56 PM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countryThe doll maker is a definite yes.
@Elfen Lied Fan 90 the game isn't pointless schlock btw, it portrays the dangers of the deep web pretty well, and the doll maker makes it so that he grafts the skin of his targets so they look identical to mannequins, it is grisly to say the least. That said unfortunately the executioner cannot count now because I have read about the doll maker and he screws up the heinous standard BADLY. It would take somebody completely abhorrent in every conceivable way for anybody new to count later.
EDIT:
Now that I am unsure of, is there a point to that?
edited 10th Apr '18 8:50:10 PM by Knack
x3 I could've sworn that those types of stories were frowned upon on this thread.

Here's the request
, btw.
edited 10th Apr '18 4:39:23 PM by ACW