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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'm going to say
on Hyness, mostly because while his endgame is pretty horrific, he himself really doesn't do all that much throughout the game. To me, he comes across more as just a zealous jackass rather than a Complete Monster.
Admittedly, this might be because the last Kirby game I played, Planet Robobot, seemed a lot more explicit in its presentation of what Haltmann was doing to the world and made Haltmann seem like a more proactive antagonist.
I remember we once brought up Jedah from Fire Emblem Gaiden and one of the things we brought up as a possible mitigating factor was his devotion to his god. Sure, Void Termina is quite a bit more malevolent than Duma, but the scene where Hyness succeeds in waking it up shows that he will quite willingly offer himself up as a sacrifice if that's what it takes to awaken his Dark Lord.
Don't know how much that counts as a mitigating factor for him, but I bring it up because it gave me flashbacks to the Jedah EP.
edited 30th Mar '18 12:06:15 PM by dragonfire5000
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."I mentioned that scene in the EP but I really don't think it means anything against him. It's very similar to the High Priestess from Samurai Jack, being devoted to a dark lord of destruction really doesn't disqualify you from being a Complete Monster.
- Gdleen OVA: The godly figure known as the "Governor" is actually a supercomputer known as Husnet, who has kept control of Gdleen for centuries manipulating countless wars among the primitive tribes and keeping them technologically stagnant so they never rise up. Demanding constant sacrifice of innocents—which it keeps in permanent suspended animation to harness information from them—Husner has the savage Barbaress tribe massacre an entire neutral city simply for the purposes of wiping out their hated enemies the Miyori tribe. When finally confronted by Ryu, Husner offers to let Ryu go only if he gives up his love interest Fana, cruelly dismissing all the lives it's thrown away for the sake of its god complex.
- Astro City
- Deke "the Deacon" M(a)cManus has no superpowers or doomsday plans, but more than makes up for it in sheer ambitious depravity. After serving as the top lieutenant for mob boss Joey "thr Platypus" Platapopoulous for many years, the Deacon made his move for power by igniting the most awful gang war Astro City has ever seen, bombing gangs turfs and killing the bosses' loved ones, then framing other crime lords for the acts to instigate bloody battles throughout the city. As hundreds of people are caught up in the bloodshed, the Deacon murders Joey, unleashes the psychopathic Jitterjack onto the city, and manipulates Black Velvet into murdering the criminals who once brutally tortured and experimented on her, something the Deacon himself had a hand in. Upon assuming control of the annihilated gangs, the Deacon cornered the market on drug running, arms trades, and human trafficking throughout Astro City, and continues to be a plague upon its civilians and heroes alike to this day.
- The Dark Age: Aubrey Jason, later known as Lord Sovereign, was a PYRAMID operative who killed a random couple to escape superhero pursuers, resulting in the couple's children growing up with a burning hatred towards him. Later pursuing him, the brothers force Jason to leave PYRAMID and go on the run. Attempting to escape them, Jason causes a massive amount of terrorist attacks that claim multiple innocent lives to throw them off his trail until he harnesses mystical energies to make himself into a superpowered being. Christening himself "Lord Sovereign", Jason threatens to force the brothers to relive their parents' murder for eternity and intends on draining the minds of everyone in Astro City to make them his slaves while repeating this process across the world.
- Samatarian: The Infidel is one of Astro City's greatest threats and a wicked contrast to his enemy's unfailing virtue. Born Kiyu and possessed of an ever-constant curiosity of the world and how it worked, Kiyu eventually absorbed the power of the Empyrean fires and slaughtered those who would defy and oppress him. Branded a monstrous infidel, Kiyu happily takes the title for his own and travels across reality to use countless people from across time to use as fodder for experimentation, slaves, or his own pleasure, goading many into becoming subservient to him by saving them from many of the world's greatest disasters only to enslave them. When fought against by the Samatarian, the Infidel devastated the world and tried to destroy or enslave those close to his enemy countless times, even obliterating the entire world before finally making a pact of peace with his enemy when both realized the fight would be never-ending. Even in the present day where the Infidel seems to be a Retired Monster, he still actively schemes to subtly corrupt the Samatarian during their annual peace meetings, with even the prospect of a potential redemption for the Infidel left doubtful in lieu of the Infidel's perpetual crusade to slake his curiosity and trump over his nemesis no matter who has to suffer.
- Dr. Aegyptus is an Egyptian-themed supervillain from the early 1900s in Astro City. First introduced having stolen a mystical time-traveling artifact, Aegyptus uses it to kidnap black men, women and children, taking them back to the 1700s and selling them into slavery to use the proceeds to buy magical artifacts in the past before anyone is aware of their true value. Later resurfacing with a new plan, Aegyptus plans to sacrifice a crowded theater full of innocent people in 1917 to summon an Eldritch Abomination to hand the very world over to it, resulting in everything that lives being devoured in return for Aegyptus gaining ultimate power.
- One-shot villain Krigari the Ironhanded started out as an entity native to the Unterverse who slaughtered his way to a position of power and strength, becoming a galactic tyrant with a perpetual lust for war and blood. Decimating entire worlds and races with the few survivors forced to toil at his armies with slaves and destroying billions of innocents, Krigari's psychotic crusade takes him to Earth once the disguised Quiqui-a, Eth, tells him he is destined to be defeated at the hands of Astro City's Honor Guard. Repeatedly attempting to destroy Earth, Krigari ultimately binds his soul to an artifact called the Dark Opal to make himself invincible and crush all his enemies, with only the Heroic Sacrifice of the noble Stormhawk putting an end to the Ironhanded's universe-destroying crusade.
- Martian Manhunter: J'onn's own twin brother, Ma'alefa'ak J'onzz—or Malefic—had his natural psychic powers stripped by his own people by abusing his telepathic powers, using them to cruelly Mind Rape J'onzz's wife. Out of petty spite, Malefic engineered a fatal psychic plague among his people, causing whatever Martian that used their psychic powers to horribly burn and die as a result and singlehandedly destroying almost his entire race as a result. Pursuing his brother J'onn to Earth in a single-minded crusade to end his brother's life and complete his genocide, Malefic tried various times to destroy his brother and all those close to him, murdering the partner of his human identity, Karen Smith, and trying to mentally drive his own brother to suicide through a remnant of himself before his final death.
- Maximum Force (1992): Max Tanabe, CEO of Tanabe Industries, secretly controls all the crime in Los Angeles through his funds and connections. He enforces police brutality; makes sure fellow criminals—like child rapists—walk untouched by the law; and presides over the arms and drugs trade and prostitution throughout the city, with whoever witnesses his illegal schemes brutally murdered. Making a point of his ruthlessness by randomly suffocating one of his unfaithful minions to death, Tanabe further orders the family of a man whose partner he had killed murdered before having the compound of the heroes destroyed, with two of them dying to slake his lust to make them suffer.
- The Cthulhu Mythos: Although the shared universe of H. P. Lovecraft and his contemporaries generally eschew conventional morality, many characters still go the extra mile to stand out in the bleak universe:
- Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos and the dreaded voice and soul of the Outer Gods, is a malignant sadist of a god with an all too human-like personality. A devious trickster by nature who enjoys playing sadistic games with mankind for its own amusement, Nyarlathotep wanders the Earth in a thousand avatars, stringing the night with the screams of those plagued by the horrid nightmares he induces wherever he walks. On record, Nyarlathotep ruins entire societies in the form of the Black Pharaoh, possesses and murders men as the Haunter in the Dark, and personally attempts to spirit Randolph Carter away into the throne room of great Azathoth itself. Nyarlathotep seduces men into worshiping his many avatars and orchestrates madness by the masses wherever he goes, differing from his fellow Outer Gods by virtue of being a wholly evil entity hindered by none of his brethren's eldritch mindsets and possessed of nothing more than a lust for reaping the chaos that defines it.
- The Temple: Lieutenant-Commander Karl Heinrich, Graf von Altberg-Ehrenstein, commanding officer of the U-29 during World War I, is introduced sinking the lifeboats from a freighter he's torpedoed, making it clear he's done this many, many times before. When the supernatural begins to interfere with the crew of his ship, causing them to experience feelings of guilt and remorse over the lives they've taken, Heinrich has those effected scourged, before escalating to shooting anyone who objects or mutinies. Killing almost the whole of his crew, and aiding his executive officer in committing suicide, Heinrich dies alone on the ocean floor, a victim of his own evil as much as the supernatural.
- The Case of Charles Dexter Ward: Joseph Curwen is a wicked necromancer and slave trader in the 1600s, routinely buying and murdering slaves for his dark rituals. Finally hunted down and destroyed, Curwen uses magic to ensure one of his descendants will resurrect him. Upon Charles Dexter Ward doing so, Curwen attempts to revive his old practices, including conjuring the spirits of humanity's wisest figures and torturing them for knowledge in dark rites. When Ward finally objects to the bloodshed Curwen propagates, Curwen murders him and takes his place, thrown in an asylum when he can't properly pass as his descendant due to his antiquated mindset. It is further revealed Curwen is allied to a horror from beyond, where his plans could lead to the utter annihilation of all life in creation.
- The Thing on the Doorstep: Ephraim Waite, the father of Asenath Waite, was a man affiliated with various dark covens and powers in life who sought immortality regardless of the suffering he inflicted upon others. Consulting dark tomes for a way to live forever, Ephraim finally found a way to expand his own life by body-swapping with his own daughter and damning her to insanity and slow death within his own old body as he took hers. Seeking a male body with strong intellect and weak will to him to weaken and possess, Ephraim slowly seduced Edward Pickman Derby while slowly driving him further and further into madness. When Derby killed Asenath in a desperate bid to stop Ephraim, Ephraim ultimately swapped bodies with him and condemned him to horrific undeath within the rotting corpse of Asenath. Unstopped, Ephraim's dark practices would destroy the peace and comfort of the world as he unleashed untold horror on humanity, jumping from body to body and damning countless more innocents to death for all time.
- Y'golonac, the Defiler, is the god of depravity and a Great Old One reviled even by the priests of Cthulhu for its unspeakable perversions. Gathering cults of those with carnal hearts, Y'golonac has his followers engage in whatever grotesque fantasies they can imagine in tribute to it, hoping to eventually break out of its walled prison and walk free among men before wiping out all humanity with the other Great Old Ones. A sadist fully able to understand and manipulate humans, Y'golonac possesses people at its own merriment and gruesomely devours all those who do not pledge themselves to serving it. Debuting In Ramsey Campbell's 1969 Cold Print, Y'golonac possesses a bookseller in lower Brinchester and drives a man to insanity to draw in more victims for it to subvert or eat—children among them—and ultimately closes the story by devouring the protagonist himself.
- Welkin Weasels:
- The vicious fox Magellan, from Thunder Oak, is feared and dreaded throughout Welkin for his murderous ways. A sadist possessed of a long list of bodies and a fondness for snares for how slowly they choke out the victim, Magellan truly came into his own upon assassinating the noble King Redfur, tossing Welkin into complete chaos and allowing Redfur's evil brother Prince Poynt to come into power and establish a brutal slave regime. Magellan takes advantage of the chaos by rallying up a band of psychopaths and rogues and launching a campaign of slaughter throughout Welkin to jolly himself, pillaging and robbing even the poorest they could find and massacring entire communities worth of innocents. Once allowed to come back into Welkin from his banishment under contract by Prince Poynt to murder the rebel outlaws Sylver and his gang, Magellan immediately returns to old ways by cruelly murdering Sylver's friend Dredless—whose brother he had killed prior during his previous rampage—and cruelly taunting Sylver about it. Reviled even by the corrupt rulers of Welkin whom he indirectly allowed to take power in the first place, Magellan is tempered by no altruistic or humorous traits in a series rife with villains with the same.
- Grand Inquisitor Torca Marda, from Castle Storm, is an elegantly vicious stoat who once vied for the throne of Welkin in rivalry to his cousin Prince Poynt, outdoing even his cousin in evil by advocating weasel genocide throughout Welkin and founding a corrupt religion that enforced mass torture and execution for all perceived heresy. No less dull in his technique as a Torture Technician after being banished, Torca Marda takes residence in Stormtown where he continues to torture animals for pleasure and imposes the new religion across the entire town. Seeing the potential to assassinate Poynt and take the throne after he gets back into his good graces by handing him Sylver and his outlaw band, Torca Marda murders Sylver's second-in-command Icham by sabotaging a fair tournament and tries to hinder the heroes' efforts to stop a man-eating dragonfly from devouring all of Stormtown, eagerly throwing away dozens of lives in his attempt to either execute or capture Sylver and his friends.
- Flaggatis is a relentless stoat who longs to take over all of Welkin. After amassing a colossal horde of rats, Flaggatis and his minions roam around Welkin pillaging surrounding nations and laying siege to Castle Rayn. Flaggatis repeatedly torments Prince Poynt and his entourage with his magic spells while his rats continue to ransack the country and kill Lord Ragnar in the ensuing chaos. When his plans fail, Flaggatis attempts to kill Sylver and his gang out at sea, not caring about the sheer amount of rats he loses during his voyage. Centuries after his alleged death, Flaggatis reappears in Welkin as a vampire named Count Flistagga. With several vampire voles at his disposal, he sends multiple groups of voles to Welkin in hopes of turning everyone into a vampire; Flistagga himself turns or kills several innocent civilians, including Mayor Poynt's sister, Sybil, and a young child in the streets. Fueled by his hatred, Flaggatis devoted his entire life to causing as much turmoil in Welkin as possible.
- The Dirty Dozen: Deadly Mission: SS Colonel Krieger is a ruthless Nazi in late World War II who kidnaps several scientists and their families, forcing them to develop a lethal nerve gas he has horribly tested on innocents. Intending to use the virus against Nazi Germany's enemies with the potential to cause millions of deaths to assure the victory of the Nazi regime, Krieger viciously cracks down on any threats to his objective, callously having the French resistance leader and his aide gunned down the moment they step into his territory, having a half-dozen hostages hanged to dissuade further threats, and furiously trying to murder the new dozen led by Major Wright alongside every single hostage when they escape.
edited 1st Apr '18 8:30:10 AM by ACW
That's the Dominator and the Limper, right? They're going with the usual batch on Sunday (remember, I had that damn stomach bug last week). The ones above are Scraggle's entries, the team-ups involving Scraggle's entries (Astro City, Welkin), and a revamped Cthulhu tree (which also has Scraggle's entries
). I just wanna get those out of the way now so it's only like 40 something instead of close to 60.
edited 30th Mar '18 12:41:14 PM by ACW
I would like to reserve the current season of The Walking Dead if no one else hasn't reserved it yet. Heck, I'm starting to believe that I'm the only one keeping up with the show in this thread, given the decline of the show's overall quality and average viewership. Even I have a hard time watching that show but then again, one 45 minute episode per week doesn't take my time too much.
Briefly swinging back to offer my two cents on Hyness, and I'm a very, very firm no on him.
My problem with Hyness is that, yes, fundamentally, he isn't really taken seriously enough for the trope, and it's not just "one or two" comedic moments here. Hyness' zany mannerisms, his way of talking, the fact that he's built up as this sinister, dead-serious entity only for it to be revealed that his face looks completely ridiculous and treated as nothing more than a complete and utter joke? Hyness' goal is bad on paper, yes, but there's a damn marked contrast between how seriously he's played and how serious many other actual KOC villains in the series are — from the modern games alone, the threats of Sectonia, Haltmann, Star Dream, and Void Termina itself are treated with far more gravitas than Hyness as a whole.
As a note? Sacrificing his own allies to Void Termina isn't really as inherently heinous as it looks either considering Termina harmlessly spits both them and Hyness himself up mid-way through the battle.
So, overall? No to Hyness and I'm contending Kirby goes without a CM for a while longer.
I've got some catching up to do, but for now,
Bradshaw and I think the image of Boddicker stabbing Murphy is an excellent compromise to the hand mutilation.
But more importantly, Ravok, 43110, take care of yourselves. Thank you for your work and efforts you have poured into this thread. May your future endeavours see you victorious.
Actually, would Makarov need a rewrite? His original write up seemed fine:
The Shining Armor Arc: General-Admiral Solomon Azure Raven Makarov is actually a reality bending creature who wants to rewrite all of reality to revolve solely around him. His actions include trying to kill Shining Armor for not knowing who he is, abducting four ponies and converting them into cyborgs who are fully aware but unable to do anything but obey his orders, trying to slaughter a village, and blowing off Running Gag's wing. His plan is to launch a super weapon that will disable Pegasus and griffin flight, sending millions falling to their deaths and causing a massive war. After Shining feeds him to The Blank Wolf, he awakens to find the world a much better place, showing just how bad he really was. Makarov planned to paint all his victims as the villains and himself as the hero of the story out of a selfish desire to make everything revolve around him.
Should I just ask the edit request admins to put this on the fanwork page?
jjj
If you feel that he needs a rewrite......I'm cool with that. And I'm still in favor of keeping Hyness.
Btw, I'd just watched the last episode of Killing Bites (The show me and Lighty will cover for the next two weeks). Please PM either me or Lighty for more details to see who counts or not!
edited 30th Mar '18 3:48:35 PM by ElfenLiedFan90
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."I'll go back to
on Hyness. I didn't realize his sped-up motive rant was so goofy.
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
By the way people.
Who might reserve a spot for the new TMNT cartoon?
Also, who might check out the IDW comics for a contender?
edited 30th Mar '18 5:04:47 PM by MasterJoseph
IPP Wick Check created.

Just popping back in for a bit. Having seen it. I'll switch to abstain as I have no clue.
edited 30th Mar '18 12:02:01 PM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."