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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#112501: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:01:38 PM

I see that you've got a point.tongue(bonked by falling star)

IPP Wick Check created.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#112502: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:40:45 PM

BTW, I hope nobody minds, but I'm gonna be doing some minor tweaking to the Cold Case baddies (I'm gonna make it the usual "Character, from season x's 'episode...'"; plus the eps now have recap pages.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#112503: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:42:45 PM

[up] Mind pruning Patterson while you're at it?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#112504: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:50:25 PM

[up] Oh, I already took care of that with Le Tenia, Fox, and Soth today (along with the new Wallander tree); the mods just haven't gotten to it yet. I also have the merging of the Vampire Bund quintet; Lighty said he'd look over them later, and I wanna make sure everything looks good.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#112505: Mar 21st 2018 at 4:54:50 PM

[tup] to Daniel O’Hara, Moon Monarch, Captain Carl Seltz, Annastasia Nightshade (while a bad sounding movie, the idea of a villain who wants to corrupt someone to serve them for some reason peaks my interest. In a better film, that could be interesting to watch), Grand Inquisitor Torca Marda and Count Flaggatis.

43110 Sorry to hear, hope you feel better soon.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#112506: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:02:27 PM

'Yes' to Monarch, our Robocop baddies, and the Weasels villains. Now, for my write-ups.....

  • Behind Closed Doors: Jack Angel is a fear-loving sadist who wants nothing more than a perfect slave to torment. Having taken advantage of his father's abusive nature to abuse his mother, Angel eventually beat his mother to death and framed his father for the crime. Becoming a defense attorney for battered women solely to soak in their pain and terror, Angel eventually romances Grace Harrington to get access to her challenged teenage sister Millie. After turning Grace into his abused wife who he tortures and starves at every turn, Angel reveals his plans to fake Millie's death and lack her in a horrifying room for the rest of her life so he can bask in her agony until he gets bored of her, and he "tests" this room out by throwing Grace's dog inside and leaving him to starve. In the end, Angel plans to murder Grace and Millie's parents, then keep the sisters as his slaves to torment to his content, taking sick glee in the fact that he'll be able to enjoy both of their pain as he forces one to watch the other be tortured.

  • Xenoblade Chronicles X: Grandmaster Luxaar is the lord and master of the Ganglion Coalition, a galaxy-wide crime syndicate and tyrannical empire that Luxaar rules with cruel fanaticism. In his quest for "purity" across the cosmos, Luxaar regularly commits genocide against entire races, enslaving those he does not exterminate and often forcing innocents to follow his rule lest he subject their worlds to similar fates. Upon learning of humanity and its connection to the Ganglion's former masters, Luxaar deems humankind a plague deserving of annihilation, and proceeds to lead an assault on Earth that wipe out billions of humans, after which he pursues the survivors across the universe. Luxaar's insane xenophobia comes to end after he massacres his way through dozens of human soldiers and attempts to murder the twenty million sleeping vestiges of humanity.

  • Werewolves of the Third Reich: Dr. Josef Mengele and his head of security SS Officer Hess are the leader of Camp 9, a nightmarish experimentation prison where Jews and subjected to brutal experiments that often results in their deaths. While Mengele carries out the experiments and has any who put up considerable resistance executed, Hess regularly exerts his position to brutalize and murder anyone he wants, notably forcing a man to kill himself to save his wife and teen daughter, then killing the women anyway just for fun. When Mengele learns that his wife has cheated on him, he transforms her lover into a monstrous werewolf after Hess giddily beats him to a pulp, and, while Hess takes time to torment Mengele's wife with the knowledge, Mengele himself sets Camp 9 to explode when the enemy soldiers raid the base, uncaring that his wife, the Jewish prisoners, and his entire squadron of soldiers will all be killed in the blast.

  • The Tick (2016): The Terror is an elderly, childish supervillain who serves as the driving force behind all villainy in the series. An abominable psychopath who is introduced massacring the Flag Five—sparing Straight Shooter only to cripple him—then laughing in the face of young Arthur Everest after getting his father killed, the Terror is later shown to have annihilated entire cities and lead brutal attacks on others throughout his extensive career. After controlling all crime in the City for many years from the shadows, the Terror returns to the spotlight by having Ms. Lint murder his minion Ramses and slashing a man's throat in front of an audience. The Terror's master plan is to turn the Very Large Man into a living bomb to blow up his archenemy Superian, an act that will wipe out a huge chunk of the City and its thousands of innocents in the process, and, when Arthur and the Tick foil this plan, the Terror stoops to attempting to murder Arthur's parents as revenge, torturing a disgusted Ms. Lint into compliance the whole way. Despite his hilarious and zany personality, the Terror is treated as the shockingly vile monster he is, committing his atrocities for no other reason than his own amusement and an insane desire to make life itself into a theater production.

  • The Shadow of a Terrible Thing: Dr. Evans starts off as a particular ambitious human scientist who is obsessed with studying the alien Keplerian's biology. However, after gaining a direct link to the Keplerian's Hive Mind leadership, Evans strikes a deal with the genocidal race and betrays humanity in exchange for ultimate power and knowledge. Orchestrating a massacre of the HRD, the last line of defense again the Keplerians, Evan giddily takes part in the slaughter himself before rounding up hundreds of survivors. When later beaten, Evans smugly reveals that he handed over hundreds of innocents to the Keplerians to be used as living breeding stock for their monstrous forces, and gloats that the Keplerians will soon wipe out a of humanity, something Evans is all to happy to take part in as long as he comes out on top.

  • The Black Company:
    • The Dominator is the true Big Bad of the Books of the North trilogy. Once a powerful sorcerer, the Dominator began to crave the power to bring destruction to all he saw fit, and kicked off his tyrannical rule by slaughtering his own hometown. Upon establishing the Domination by forcing ten evil wizards into his servitude as his "Taken," the Dominator turned the lands into a horrific era where entire kingdoms were raped, pillaged and burned at the Dominator's whim. Though locked away in the Barrowlands for his crimes, and later left to rot in them when his wife, the Lady, and Taken escape, the Dominator reaches out and begins corrupting the rebel forces against the Lady's growing empire, and kickstarts a bloody slaughter of a war that ends with a quarter of a million people dead. After failing to use the life-devouring Black Castle to aid his escape, the Dominator attempts to spread dozens of the stones that build the Castle throughout the world to kill countless people and enable his freedom. When finally blasting his way out of confinement, the Dominator butchers all in his path on his way to the Lady, planning to murder her for leaving him in the Barrowlands before restarting his horrific Domination and plunging the world into a hellish nightmare of agony and death for all.

  • Astro City:
    • Deke "the Deacon" McManus has no superpowers or doomsday plans, but more than makes up for it in sheer ambitious depravity. After serving as the top lieutenant for mob boss Joey "Platypus" for many years, the Deacon made his move for power by igniting the most awful gang war Astro City has ever seen, bombing gang's turfs and killing the bosses' loved ones then framing other crime lords for the acts to instigate bloody battles throughout the city. As hundreds of people are caught up in the bloodshed, the Deacon murders Joey, unleashes the psychopathic Jitterjack onto the city, and manipulates Black Velvet into murdering the criminals who once brutally tortured and experimented on her, something the Deacon himself had a hand in. Upon assuming control of the annihilated gangs, the Deacon cornered the market on drug running, arms trades, and human trafficking throughout Astro City, and continues to be a plague upon its civilians and heroes alike to this day.

  • Keyman: The Hand of Judgement:
    • Butler is the true orchestrator of the horrible events that take place throughout Lockville City. In actuality the Devil himself, Butler was cast down to Earth after a failed coup against God, and now sows seeds of destruction and despair throughout humanity for being weak insects in his eyes. After corrupting the Violet bloodline into becoming his fanatical cult who butcher infants in his name, Butler uses Franck Violet to bring Beastman trafficking rings of rape and torture to Lockville City, all while kidnapping adults and children by the dozen and performing grotesque experiments on them to turn them into living "keys." Unleashing monstrous demons, empowering and assisting the psychopathic Lazlo in a raping and killing spree, and kidnapping the young Misery Violet, Butler reveals his intent to destroy the Double Helix of life and plunge all of humanity into an agonized, abominable existence of neverending death and rebirth, then use their mangled, pain-stricken carcasses as a stairway to blast back into Heaven and reclaim his position of glory at God's side. The ultimate evil of the entire story and the archfoe of every major character, Butler was an enemy to all living things, seeking hellish existences for all except himself in his mad quest to regain God's favor simply to satisfy his own ego.

  • Hypersomnia (2016):
    • El Jefe is the sociopathic boss of the human trafficking ring called the "Black House." Regularly kidnapping young women—some when they are teenagers—and keeping them locked away, El Jefe charges top dollar for the women to be raped and tortured by paying customers, and uses her schizophrenic son's Serial Killer persona to keep the girls in line. When her latest batch of sex slaves begin escaping, El Jefe guns down her Dragon to keep all the money from their crimes to herself, and, after ditching her own son, spends her final moments attempting to gun down as many of the slaves as possible as revenge for ruining her business.

  • The Chase (2017): Na Jung-Hyuk is a vicious Serial Killer who once preyed on elderly citizens before moving onto targeting young women who he would molest then murder. After racking up thirteen confirmed kills, Jung-Hyuk continued his spree after stabbing a detective to death, and escapes without punishment for thirty years. When he is spotted decapitating a woman by a copycat killer, Jung-Hyuk frames him for the crime and later murders him to draw suspicion from himself. Jung-Hyuk's new scheme is to kidnap another young woman who he will paralyze and may keep her as his personal sex and torture toy, hoping to begin their "fun" by first butchering his current wife with a buzzsaw for "being annoying."

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#112507: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:15:24 PM

[up] Say Ravok you said that there were a few others from The Black Company that could qualify besides The Dominator. Is there anyone else beside The Limper, or is the Limper the only other one to make the cut?

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#112508: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:19:27 PM

I remember he said Kina is a possibility; I think he's re-reading the books.

BTW: Cold Case and Vampire Bund stuff tomorrow; locking of Xeno Friday; (fingers crossed) my writeups Saturday; weekly batch Sunday; submit batch Monday.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#112509: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:47:41 PM

Edit: Whoops

edited 21st Mar '18 6:02:49 PM by Lightysnake

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#112510: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:04:09 PM

[tup]O'Hara, Seltz, Nightshade, Torca Marda, and Flaggattis.

[up] Um, I'm pretty sure he was already approved. EDIT: Nevermind.

edited 21st Mar '18 6:05:06 PM by TommyFresh

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#112512: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:05:49 PM

Okay, round 2...

What's the Work?

Directed by Yoshiaki Kawajiri, Cyber City Oedo 808 is a 90s anime with a godly dub...set in the far cybrpunk future, where Earth's criminals are removed from the planet and imprisoned on satellite penal colonies...but the police, led by Hasegawa deal with threats in a very inventive way: by offering criminals with special skills a chance to reduce their sentence by serving the common justice, except they have to wear explosive collars that will explode if they tamper with them, abandon their mission or if Hasegawa ever feels like it. The series focuses on a squad of three men: Sengoku, Gogol and Benten, a trio of criminals with 300 years sentences apiece, and each episode of the OVA focuses on one of the convicts...the third episode focusing on the effeminate Warrior Poet assassin Benten....

Now, in episode 3, Blood Lust? There are murders that bear a specific mark...that of a vampire. Blood drained, puncture wounds in the neck...but there's no such thing, right? Well, Benten is on the case, and his trail soon informs him the dead men are researchers for a company run by the ancient, wizened Shuzo Saionji.

Oh, and Benten has this to tell his comrades about the case: ""You wouldn't recognize a goddamn vampire if one jumped up and bit you on the end of your fucking dick."

I love 90s dubs, have I mentioned that?

Who is Shuzo Saionji?

Shuzo Saionji is an ancient man and CEO of the Saionji Medical Research Institute...thanks to cybernetics and medical breakthroughs he is over 300 years old. You'd think he'd be happy with this life, but...no. Saionji is terrified of death. Completely and utterly petrified of dying. So he doesn't ever plan to die...Saionji, hungering to find the secret of immortality, conducted a series of ghastly experiments on countless innocent 'lab rats,' including the supposed vampire Remi Masuda, a girl placed in cryogenic sleep to preserve her life from a deadly virus. The experiments were horrific and torturous and except for Remi? Every single one of countless test subjects died in agony. But Remi? Was changed into a vampire-like being who seeks revenge against Saionji and his researchers. Some of the researchers also went to develop a potential vaccine, realizing their folly, so Saionji had them eliminated as well.

Now, in the denouement, Benten realizes what's going on and heads to intercept Remi. Unfortunately, saionji has perfected the vampire virus and infects himself as Remi arrives to take revenge for all the people he's killed. Saionji's body turns strong and youthful again. Killing countless people by draining their blood to replenish his own? A-OK for Saionji! He attempts to start the process by draining Remi of blood when Benten arrives, resulting in a duel between the two. Unfortunately, that whole immortality thing is apparently not just for show. Saionji is genuinely really, REALLY hard to kill, surviving Benten slicing him apart, being shot, being ejected into space...when things seem lost, though, Benten injects Saionji with the antidote, causing a horrified Saionji to rapidly age and decay to nothing. Remi requests Benten kill her, but with the antidote used up, there's no way to do so. Instead, Remi has herself placed in cryogenic stasis and asks Benten to shoot her pod into space, allowing her to travel among the starlight forever, dreaming peacefully forever. Benten sadly observes that nothing lasts forever, though...not even the light of stars.

So apparently by the end, Benten does not need his dick bitten to actually recognize a vampire.

Mitigating Qualities?

Worst in series by far. The villains of the first tow episodes don't get up to much of anything this bad. And redeeming qualities? No. Saionji is a cruel, sadistic bastard willing to try for immortality no matter how many innocent people he condemns to death or living death as long as he benefits. Everything is about his fear of death after 300 years of life. Nothing sympathetic whatsoever to him.

Conclusion?

Pass.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#112513: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:12:17 PM

[tup] Saionji. That police commander sounds pretty bad himself, too.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#112514: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:13:44 PM

More an Anti-Hero than anything. Hasegawa's a prime example of Good Is Not Nice.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#112515: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:15:48 PM

Yea on Saionji. Doing some Google Search on Benten.....His appearance almost reminds me of one of the infamous C Ms from Berserk

edited 21st Mar '18 7:18:49 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#112517: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:56:35 PM

Alright, here's one from an MLP fan comic. I'm sure you'e all ecstatic about that, but please hear me out.

The fan comic is Recall the Time of No Return, and I feel that I should vouch for its quality before starting the EP. It has art that's good enough to look official, and while it's certainly darker than the show it's based on, it is by no means a darkfic/torture fic/whatever. In terms of violence shown on page, it doesn't go passed what you'd see in, say, a shonen anime like Naruto. It also doesn't randomly turn a heroic character evil or any of the things that we all hate when it comes to fan works. In short, it isn't trash, and despite being more violent than the show it's based on (not that that takes much), I feel that it should be taken as a legitimate work.

Also, there's a Doctor Who expy in the fanfic named Doctor Whooves who plays an important role, but I don't think I'd consider it a crossover fic because he's a separate character.

Background:

My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic is about a pony named Twilight Sparkle, her assistant dragon Spike and her 5 friends. She is the apprentice of the immortal alicorn princess Celestia, and in the show eventually becomes an alicorn herself. While I don't think it's ever said in the show that becoming an alicorn makes you turn immortal (I haven't seen the show in a while), that's the assumption that the fanfic goes on.

The fic starts on Twilight's birthday, where her friends meet Doctor Whooves and his assistant Rose in his TARDIS. Knowing that since Twilight's become an alicorn, she'll be alive long after they're gone, her friends decide to surprise her 1000 years into the future by showing up on her birthday then. Dr Whooves warns them that the future isn't as bright as their present, and that the years had changed Twilight, but they see it as just another reason to go see her.

In the future, Empress Twilight received a prophecy that stated that she would not outlive her friends, but she did. This caused her to become much more cold, but it wasn't until 7 years before her friends appeared in the future that she fought and seemingly won a hard-fought victory against an enemy known as the "Crimson Changelings", which changed her into a paranoid and monstrous ruler.

Or so it seems. In actuality, it turns out that Twilight didn't defeat the Crimson Changelings and was in fact replaced by their leader, the subject of this EP, Brotonia.

Who is she/what does she do?

Brotonia is the Queen of the Crimson Changelings, later revealed to be Zygon Ponies. After defeating Empress Twilight, she took her form and even got her memories and was therefore able to fool everyone into thinking that she was the real deal, including Future Badass Spike. She became such a tyrant that Spike, despite loving her like a sister, eventually created a secret group of rebels with the intention of putting her down for good. These rebels live underground to avoid "Twilight"'s minions, and include Gold Lily, Twilight's ex-star pupil.

When Brotonia returned from the war as "Empress Twilight", she pretended to have become paranoid about the Changelings infiltrating their society, and had ponies arrested and later executed based on any accusation. Gold Lily gives exact numbers of the death tolls from "Twilight"'s tyranny: over 52 thousand dead from being mistaken for Crimson Changelings, 4400 executed for opposing and countless others mangled by the Iron Wolves, a creation of "Twilight".

Spike believes that Twilight's friends hold the key to defeating her, since the prophecy stated that they would outlive her and they all appeared in the future.

When Rarity, Fluttershy, Rose and the Doctor are brought before "Empress Twilight", she only seems mildly amused to see them, and over dinner states that she wants them to stay safe by her side forever because according to the prophecy, she will somehow die instead of them if someone tried to kill them. She attempts to drug them with sleeping pills, but when that's discovered by the Doctor, she summons her guards to take them to her "Underground Preservation Room". She taunts Fluttershy, who gets loose from her guard and punches her in the face. For this, "Twilight" has her Iron Wolf brutally kill the guard who let go of Fluttershy (in a Gory Discretion Shot) and tells Fluttershy that she's responsible for it.

In the Underground Preservation Room, there are seemingly hundreds of cocoons with ponies inside of them, and the group comes to the realization that "Twilight" had been replacing the real ponies for years in her "Reformation Centers", keeping the real ones in the cocoons, since Zygons need their hosts to be alive in order to maintain their disguise. They also come to the conclusion that the largest cocoon there, which "Twilight" had claimed to contain the Changeling Queen, in fact contained the real Twilight.

"Twlight" has her Iron Wolves attack the rebels, and we learn that Gold Lily and her younger sister Sterling were alicorns who were meant to take the place of Celestia and Luna, but "Twlight" seemingly killed Sterling seven years ago, and now wants to kill Lily because they could be dangerous to her.

The real Twilight is released and Brotonia is stopped from killing Spike, and both "Twilights" have a big epic fight. It's discovered that Brotonia still has plenty of magic because she didn't kill Sterling 7 years ago, and had instead kept her as a sort of magic battery charger. Brotonia sends a massive energy blast at Ponyville, but Twilight stops it and then sacrifices herself to finally destroy Brotonia.

Heinous standard/mitigating factors?

Absolutely blows the heinous standard of the show out of the water, naturally. There are no in-universe mitigating factors.

Conclusion:

As far as I'm concerned, this is the kind of fan work that should be encouraged. Despite being far darker than the show, it's not a downer from beginning to end and actually tells a story you can follow. The only reason to downvote Brotonia is out of "principle" because it's a My Little Pony fan comic that's darker and more violent than the show, but I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think I'll convince anyone who will downvote it for that reason, but she gets an easy [tup] from me.

edited 22nd Mar '18 6:07:35 AM by Camberf

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#112518: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:58:39 PM

[up] Bah, you posted right when I posted. >__< I'll read that in a moment, hold on.

EDIT: All right, I guess [tup] Brotonia. This sounds like a story that's basically doing its own thing without delving into Canon Defilement.

[tup] for Shuzo Saionji.

edited 21st Mar '18 8:08:15 PM by Tyk5919

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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#112519: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:19:20 PM

Yes to the Oedo one... actually? I gathered up quite a few OVAs for me and the others to watch. A... lot have turned out to be busts, but Oedo's our first keep. Let me present our second.

What's the setting?

Gdleen is an OVA from 1990 based off of early light novels of the same name... now, premise is Ryu, a Japanese businessman from a futuristic Earth, is working to travel to planets to gather resources and elevate his social standing. His trek takes him to the planet of Gdleen alongside his annoying computer assistant where he finds himself winning the naive eye of a faerie named Fana and himself in the middle of a war between tribes... with the dominant conflict taking place between the sorcerers of the Miyori tribe and the savage Barbaress tribe. The Miyori want to take back the castle the Barbaress stole from them where the benevolent "Governor," the god of Gdleen, is supposedly held hostage... but, uh, things are a bit more complicated than that. Enter Husner/Husnet.

Who is Husnet? What has it done?

So, first thing's first? A bit of backstory; the Governor is actually the name of the man who came to Gdleen seven-thousand years ago for the purpose of colonization. However, the Governor died long ago... and left in his place Husner, the self-aware supercomputer who took over manipulating all of the tribes into constant war for centuries and keeping them technologically stagnant so they never stand up. Many, many people die as Husner plays them all against each other while it demands constant sacrifices from the Barbaress tribe, where those selected are thrown into the enigmatic portal in the center of the captured castle and never seen again.

So, when Ryu comes to the planet? The Miyori and the Barbaress are already planning to have one decisive battle to completely defeat one side or the other for good, all under Husner's direction... and, to provide a nice little locale for them, Husner has the Barbaress tribe massacre the vast majority of the one city on the planet that's neutrally-aligned, with dozens of slain bodies lining the streets and the women left to the mercy of the implicitly very lustful Barbaress. Husner eventually demands Ryu and Fana as a direct sacrifice and both of them end up going through the portal, where Husner reveals everything... smugly stating it's done everything for the sake of becoming God and placing the weak under the strong as it should be, and Ryu calling the AI out as a horrid monster for setting up centuries of war for its own pleasure. Oh, and all those people sacrificed to it? Kept in eternal suspended animation by Husner to gain information on them, never released as part of its macabre collection.

Utterly furious, Ryu turns against Husner when it tries to add Fana to its collection, leading to it to try one last ploy as it promises to give Ryu passage back to Earth. No dice; when Husner refuses to release Fana as Ryu's part of the bargain out of petty pride? Ryu destroys Husner who dies screaming that "I am God!"

Very original, Husner.

Any mitigating factors?

Nope. Husner explicitly has full agency for an artificial intelligence, conducting its war games for reasons that extend much, much beyond simple programming and easily crossing the standard with all the massive death it sets up for the sheer purpose of slaking its own pleasure and keeping itself God of a simple, constantly-warring planet for all eternity. No care for the Governor on its part, either, or even any loyalty to its deceased master; Husner mentions him a few times in the exposition while never indicating it remembers him as anything else but a predecessor to its cruel legacy.

Conclusion?

Keep. There may be a few more OVA villains down the line yet.

Thoughts?

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#112520: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:26:17 PM

Yea on Brotonia and Husnet. Didn't Lightly previously EP some villains from OVA like Lodoss one or something?

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#112521: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:33:24 PM

There's a billion effortposts going on right now, so why not have another?

What Is the Work?

Heavy Object. You know the drill already.

Volume 11 involves Heivia Winchell getting engaged to Lady Vanderbilt, princess of the Vanderbilt family. The only problem is his sister Azureyfear, who despises the Vanderbilts due to a century long rivalry between the two families, to the point where she tries to kill the princess using a special submarine Object, the Destruction Fes. The Princess herself is hanging out on the Rose & Lily, a special yacht meant for both Vanderbilts and Winchells, waiting for Heivia to return from duty to be together with him.

I know what you’re thinking, but no, it’s not Azureyfear, who is actually trying to make peace with the Vanderbilts. Instead, it’s the man who manipulated her into doing all of this in the first place.

Who Is he?

Flag Eggnog is the first prince of the Warta District, and a middle-aged member of the Legitimacy Kingdom’s royal council. He’s also an incompetent, petty, fat idiot, with his own worst enemy being his mouth. He’s a man who views himself as someone who shouldn’t be made fun of, especially by a noble (what he calls citizens or people lower on the class scale), as he is higher than them.

What has he done?

Flag is very disliked by his people, constantly making gaffes in every interview and press conference, to the point where he’s nicknamed “The Gaffe Machine”. When a hallucinogenic drug called Colorful Vanilla causes a drug war within his kingdom, his response to it during a press conference is that the drug wars are fake, and were created by conspiracy theorists in order to blame the government. This doesn’t bode well with his people, as several protests arise calling for his resignation.

In the past he exploited the century spanning rivalry between the Winchell and Vanderbilt families for his own personal gain. While he didn’t start the conflict (he’s not that old), he has engineered several recent civil wars between the two families (around 21 to be exact, all around the same time he made some sort of public gaffe). These wars would divert people’s attention from his mistakes, allowing him to escape taking any kind of responsibility for his blunders. Keep in mind that both families are residents of the Legitimacy Kingdom. In the present he tries to start another civil war between the two families by having Azureyfear kill Lady Vanderbilt, as well as the lives of the 100,000+ people aboard the Rose & Lily (all of them being his kingdom's citizens, with Flag himself also onboard).

Collaborating with the Information Alliance’s Martini Sisters to supply him with information regarding both families, he uses the information to figure out how to drive the two families into an even larger conflict ever time he makes a gaffe.

Later on in the story when the Destruction Fes is in a fight with Milinda piloting her Object, the ship’s fireworks activate, acting as a chaff and preventing technology from functioning. As a result, Azureyfear’s Destruction Fes comes to a complete halt, refusing to move and carry out Flag’s plan. Flag notices this and starts sweating buckets. When one of his bodyguards tells him that Lady Vanderbilt is aware of his plans and is trying to take his wireless router containing security footage of her in her room, Flag bellows out his pained reaction, fearing people will find out about his plan… which causes everyone to notice and find out about his plan. He mumbles out loud about how furious he is that his earlier gaffe was uploaded online for the public to see, desiring to hunt down and kill anyone who saw the video.

Getting a surprise radio transmission from the Martini Sisters, they remind him that they are supposed to be his enemy, and that they are going to screw him over, which they do. The Sisters not only call him “a bastard from an enemy nation we should probably defeat,” they also reveal that they had helped him with everything, such as fighting the drug wars and giving him the Destruction Fes, in order to obtain sample data on nobles for their Perfect Browsing project. They ended up choosing someone else instead, and have decided to abandon Flag, even admitting to him that his downfall has given them great data for their project, even titling his file “Full-Speed Collapse of a Royal’s Life.”

After the call ends, Flag goes crazy. He whips out his pistol, threatening the entire ship that he’s going to kill Lady Vanderbilt, his Information Alliance contact, the Legitimacy Kingdom Army, the press, and anyone who dared make fun of him, starting a shootout on the ship along with his bodyguards who were too late to literally abandon ship.

"I'll kill you! I'll kill every last person who mocks me!! Grab your guns and follow me. First is the Vanderbilt girl with her evidence! Once that's over and my position is stable, I can start a war with the Information Alliance... I'll kill them aaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllll"

He heads to Lady Vanderbilt’s room, threatening to kill her with a sadistic grin on his face, leading Vanderbilt to explain how if he were innocent, then he wouldn’t have to do all of this; Flag’s response?

“Know your place, little girl.”
He claims that royals are everything in this world and that nobles must fulfill their duty to support people like him; Vanderbilt responds with the fact that he’s a traitor.

Cue Heivia, who enters the scene slaughtering Flag’s bodyguards and saving Vanderbilt. Now panicking, Flag tries to convince Heivia and his fiancé that all of his uncontrollable gaffes and war coverups were actually beneficial to the Legitimacy Kingdom, something only he believes. Heivia doesn’t believe in his crap, picking the man up and tossing him to a wall. Down on the floor, Flag grabs a nearby sword implanted on the wall and tries to stab Heivia with it. Heivia gets his own rapier and challenges Flag to a sword duel. Knowing that he’s going to lose the duel, Flag whips out his gun and shoots Heiviaand misses terribly. Knowing that this would happen, Heivia charges at Flag, sword pointed directly at him. During this, Flag attempts to bribe Heivia with money, but it’s hopeless, as he’s then impaled through the heart by Heivia’s sword.

Redeeming Qualities?

None whatsoever. He’s completely out of his mind, having a delusional, elitist viewpoint that makes him completely unlikeable.

Heinousness?

He’s unique among the other monstrous villains in not only personality, but also goals; a man of royalty who would do anything to distract people from his own stupidity, willing to cause multiple wars in order to do so.

Conclusion

I think he just about counts. In the end, Flag is just a conceded ruler who causes wars to distract people from his problems, and showed no sign of stopping prior to his death. If Acres Kiss-of-Roses represented ultimate Greed, then Flag Eggnog represented ultimate pettiness and Pride.

edited 21st Mar '18 9:55:19 PM by therealjackieboy

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#112522: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:38:53 PM

Yea on Flag.....I forgot, how many keepers that Heavy Object will have in the future?

[down] Ah! Alright thanks for the info [nja]

edited 21st Mar '18 8:40:32 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

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therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#112523: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:39:50 PM

[up] This is the last one for now (this is still an ongoing book series).

edited 21st Mar '18 8:40:08 PM by therealjackieboy

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#112524: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:41:49 PM

"There's a billion effortposts going on right now, so why not have another?"

You're just being a Troll now. [lol]

[tup] Flag Eggnog and Husner/Husnet.

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