During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Heinous standard. Keep in mind this is Berserk we're talking about where every Apostle is usually between "bad" and "horrifyingly godawful" and Wyald is really low down the ladder when it comes to the vilest of them while simultaneously being one of the most brutal.
edited 16th Mar '18 4:59:37 PM by Scraggle
What
said. Also, Hegel, when asking about villains, could you at least explain what work said character is from? Some people may know Wyald and the Snake Lord are from Berserk simply by hearing their name, but others might not.
Wyald has butchered entire settlements down to the last person, in addition to having all the females in said villages raped by him and his men, both in the kingdom he apparently serves and outside of it, along with such acts as burning children alive, sticking their mutilated bodies on pikes and parading them around, and wantonly killing his own men for amusement. Between him and the Snake Lord, Wyald is far more brutal.
edited 16th Mar '18 5:10:29 PM by Clown-Face
Why so serious?Found on the YMMV page for 8mm.
- And there's also snuff film director, Dino Velvet, who has people murdered and tortured in his films for his own satisfaction. The fact he's also implied to be a necrophile doesn't help either.
I just deleted it. I PM'd the troper months ago about his post on Funny Games and he flat out ignored it, so I'm not gonna bother trying again.
edited 16th Mar '18 5:34:14 PM by Stellarvore
Okay today is March 16th, 2018 so we can discuss these works today:
- B: The Beginning: March 16th, 2018 (sanfranman91)
- Red Sparrow: March 16th, 2018
- Guns, Gore & Cannoli 2: March 16, 2018 (ACW)
- Voltron: Legendary Defender (season 5): March 16th, 2018 (lightysnake)
It's late, so why not an effortpost from yours truly?
What Is the Work?
WET is a game published by Bethesda in 2009. A grindhouse-style action game that tries to combine John Woo/ Quentin Tarantino-esque gunfights and awkward platforming, Wet feels like a game that’s incomplete, with some audio glitches, poor characterization, and terrible platforming sections. Though the soundtrack is definitely an A+.
Rubi Malone is a hitwoman and Designated Hero extraordinaire who kills people for money with the help of her friends Milo and Ming. One day, a drug dealing gangster named William Ackers tasks Rubi to bring him his son, Trevor, who he sees as falling into the wrong crowd. Rubi accepts, having saved the old man’s life a year prior. However, Rubi later finds out that things aren’t what they seem, with the man claiming to be William Ackers being revealed to actually be…
Who Is he?
Rupert Pelham (voiced by Malcolm McDowell), an old drug leader who is a rival of the Ackers gang, the latter led by the real William Ackers.
What has he done?
Rupert is the head of the designer drug market in Asia, keeping his customers high on his own special drug, Dragon’s Breath (which is, according to Ming, “brutal shit”). He would later form a group called Tiger Claw, which was created in order to distribute his drugs worldwide; due to their connections and fortune, they pretty much own the entire east side of Hong Kong, having control over the police and their officials, allowing them to be as brutal as they want. Rupert also allows one of his men, Jun Li, to roam the streets along with his violent gang members. Rupert himself is accompanied by his own entourage of goons, such as the quiet, blind Tarantula, and the German psycho Ze Kollektor.
Wanting less competition, Rupert tricks Rubi into bringing him Trevor Ackers (who Rubi had helped earlier in the story) by claiming to be his dad. When Rubi brings him Trevor and collects her money, Rupert has Tarantula decapitate him, having Ze Kollektor stab Rubi and leave her for dead; without Trevor, the Ackers syndicate won’t be around for very long, giving Rupert less opponents and thus, more money in his pocket. Rubi doesn't really care about that, only desiring revenge on Rupert and his posse for nearly killing her.
He has his Tiger Claw goons capture Ming, torturing and fatally wounding him. His friend, Zhi, is also revealed to have been working for Tiger Claw as a drug dealer. When Rubi confronts Rupert and Tarantula, Rupert has Zhi inject a serum into Rubi that knocks her out. Rupert then has his men torture her via electrocution.
He later breaks into William Ackers' mansion, having Tarantula kill his bodyguards before ordering her to kill William, coming very close to killing him until Rubi shows up. He then orders Tarantula to kill her, not caring when she’s killed by Rubi. He immediately tries to kill Rubi himself. After a series of quick time events, Rubi slices his neck, causing the old bastard to fall over and die.
Redeeming Qualities?
None.
Heinousness?
While no one in this game is a saint, most villains either don’t get enough screentime, or are very standard bad guys with barely any personality. Even Rubi herself has a few moments of sympathy toward her friends despite her harsh attitude. Rupert on the other hand, is just a cold, calculating monster who prefers others to do the dirty work for him, seeing his actions as just business.
Conclusion
I think he’s a keep.
edited 16th Mar '18 8:42:29 PM by therealjackieboy
It's Spooky Month!
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
Hey guys, I wonder who would try to find a potential candidate( and maybe more) from the Light Novel Heavy Object and its anime and manga adaptations. For starters, the Light Novel began in 2009, so there could be some candidates out there.
To Pelly
edited 16th Mar '18 9:52:50 PM by MasterJoseph
IPP Wick Check created.I haven't read The Chronicles of Narnia since I was in Middle School and I'm planning to pick it up again. I see the last time anyone discussed the White Witch was several years ago. Should I even bother analysing her character while I'm rereading the series? Or is she pretty much an unofficial "never again"?
@masterjoseph Same as well.
Here's Rupert's entry, Malcolm McDowell's third CM.
- Rupert Pelham is the leader of Tiger Claw, a drug organization who sell the brutal drug Dragon Breath. Forming Tiger Claw to distribute his drugs internationally, Rupert uses his organization’s power and fortune to control half of Hong Kong, allowing corrupt cops and criminals to roam the streets. Wanting less competition, he plans to kill William and Trevor Ackers, leaders of the Ackers syndicate. Posing as William Ackers, he hires Rubi Malone to bring him Trevor. After Rubi brings Trevor to him, he orders Tarantula to decapitate him and has Ze Kollektor stab Rubi, leaving her for dead. Finding out that Rubi is after him, he has his goons kidnap Ming to mortally torture him for her location. Making Zhi knock Rubi out for him, Rupert has his men electrocute her for information. Breaking into William’s mansion, he has Tarantula kill his bodyguards before trying to kill him. Interrupted by Rubi’s arrival, Rupert orders Tarantula to kill her, not caring when she’s killed, immediately attempting to gun Rubi down himself.
edited 16th Mar '18 10:06:58 PM by therealjackieboy
It's Spooky Month!

Can someone explain me why Snake baron doesn't count, while Wyald does?