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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#111851: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:33:46 PM

I have wanted to cut the Twins for years. I always thought they were clear non keeps and have questioned my own sanity when no one seemed to agree.

Cut. Away.

rosewood47 from A Padded Cell (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#111852: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:36:34 PM

Having finally gotten around to watching Breaking Bad, I'm going to have to agree. The Cousins clearly care about one another, as exemplified both in the aforementioned drowning scene, and the part where the one shows concern for the other after Hank injures him, only abandoning him to get Hank after being told to do so. You can try to explain that away as their non-redeeming "family first" upbringing, but in my opinion, it's a disqualifier.

edited 16th Mar '18 12:37:37 PM by rosewood47

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#111854: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:40:05 PM

I'm fine with cutting. Hell, I was never sure that "family first" wasn't disqualifying to begin with.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#111855: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:40:13 PM

Ill second you and throw my vote with a cut as well.

[tdown]twins

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#111858: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:48:31 PM

Yeah I definitely vote for cutting the twins and Towa

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#111859: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:06:35 PM

Barring no objections by tomorrow morning, I'll file the Twins with the other cuts.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:08:31 PM by ACW

JoeBlitz Since: Dec, 2016
#111860: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:09:00 PM

Yeah, I noticed that about the Salamancas as well. [tdown] the Cousins.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#111861: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:09:10 PM

Cut the Twins. Much less painful cut than Welker, IMO.

ZetaRidge (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#111863: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:14:15 PM

@acw : Also remember to make an image pickin thread for Super Sentai while your at it using my pics in the draft.

Also in Super Sentai for Dezumozorlya. In the first line please change the first part to his full title, so it matches with the others who have there full title. Hence it should read as : Wicked Lifeform Dezumozorlya

edited 16th Mar '18 1:21:39 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#111864: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:15:29 PM

In agreement to cut the Twins and Towa.

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#111865: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:16:14 PM

I've been unsure on the Cousins for a while because I didn't remember exactly how it went when one of them was shot. I'm fine with cutting them and Towa.

Fourze99 Since: Jun, 2015
#111866: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:21:20 PM

Has Quervo from Kyuranger already been discussed?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#111867: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:22:00 PM

miraculous, I'll get to the image stuff eventually.

As for Sentai, there's also Ryuya and Brajira. I'll have to look through the whole page first. Hopefully Kamen Rider isn't that bad.

[up] Discussed, approved, written up. Will go up with this week's batch. Here's the untweaked entry, if you're interested:

edited 16th Mar '18 1:22:43 PM by ACW

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#111868: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:22:13 PM

[up][up]Already approved. He'll go up next week.

[up]Kamen rider shouldnt be too much of an issue as we already have all the names and aliases,in the entries so I think were good with that. Super sentai though youll need to go through the entire page as a few do seem to be missing the full title.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:31:05 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#111869: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:38:02 PM

His full title is "Brajira of the Messiah." I didn't add that because it seemed clunky, and his name is enough anyway. For D, I suggested the full title because 1) it makes sense in English 2) his name is just D. I mean... it's just D. It seems silly on its own, so I suggested his full title.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#111870: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:04:57 PM

Cut the twins.

Speaking of Super Sentai, looking over its Monster page, does anyone else think Agent Abrella needs a re-write? It just looks amateurish. Here it is:

  • Complete Monster: Agent Abrella sold many weapons supporting galaxy-destroying wars for fun and profit to most of the Alienizers, regardless of how many lives were taken. Once a galaxy is destroyed, he moves to the next to generate profit and destruction. Abrella treats any and all crime as a business opportunity, and it doesn't matter if you're destroying cities, selling slaves, pawning stolen merchandise, or filming child pornography, as long as the price is right, he'll be more than happy to sell you the tools you need to further your enterprise. And his Villainous Breakdown near the end of the series was caused merely because the Dekarangers were ruining his transactions. Yes, Abrella himself caused a citywide destruction spree and nearly destroyed the whole of the Space Police just so he could keep his job.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#111871: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:12:28 PM

I mean, it's not the worst, but yeah, it could definitely use a rewrite.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#111872: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:14:04 PM

Alrighty, thanks folks for handling the Salamanca twins so well. I know there was a lot of back and forth on them so I really appreciate it. Provided no opposition pops up I'll let ACW file for cut and take care of the rest.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#111873: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:37:55 PM

I agree that the Salamanca twins should be cut.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#111874: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:37:31 PM

yeah..... cut the Salamanca twins

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Animeking1108 Since: Jan, 2010
#111875: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:55:38 PM

I thought the Salmanca twins didn't count either. Not just because of of their "Family First" mentality, but a flashback of them as kids showed that Hector didn't exactly raise them right.


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