During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Junko Enoshima's entry should say that she HAD Chisa lobotomized, since she ordered Mukuro to do it rather than doing it herself. I also think it should mention the context of Juzo's blackmailing: his love for his best friend.
Keet cleanupI don't know but I'm in full support for a Xeno page
edited 9th Mar '18 3:12:17 PM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffNew proposal, from Big Tits Zombie.
Yes, really. Hear me out.
Who's the candidate?
Maria, a pretentious stripper who ends up accidentally awakening a zombie curse.
What does she do?
Fiest off, while the zombie attacks were accidental? Maria feels no remorse for them. All she can focus on is her own survival, and she doesn't care that everybody else is getting eaten by zombies, including several of her "friends."
No more is this proven than when some zombies attack her and three other girls. Maria finds they key to lock the door, and uses it to lock herself in a cupboard, leaving the rest to die, though only one actually does. She then escapes, and tries to run from the zombies. Eventually, they catch up to her, and she figures out that the zombies obey her orders.
Maria then disappears for a good chunk of the film until Rena and Genko arrive at her lair to end the plague for good. It is here where Maria reveals her plan: She's going to use her control of the dead to create The Necrocracy and rule as its Queen! After explaining this, Maria orders our heroes killed, but they kill the zombie goons. However, Genko does get bitten and will therefore be doomed to die and become Maria's slave.
Our heroes go to confront Maria, but Genko turns enough for the madwoman to control her just as they arrive. Maria has her new slave shoot Rena throigh the chest, seemingly killing her nemesis. However, Rena had a flask in her jacket, and manipulated things so that she was shot in that and the bullet stopped there. They fight, and Maria gets the other hand, preparing to drop Rena into Hell. However, the preparations summon the Blue Ogre, the chillest demon ever, who has Maria Dragged Off to Hell.
Heinousness?
Big Bad, sets it. While she doesn't do much intentionally, she does roll with her accident and gain apocalyptic goals from it.
Mitigating factors?
Film's a horror-comedy, but Maria is textbook Laughably Evil. Her crimes are portrayed as horrific.
She claims that she's doing this in relation to her fellow strippers bullying her, but we see their relationship before the zombie attack, and she was ragged on a little for being annoying. That's it. So, her Freudian Excuse is nonsense.
She has self-harm scars, but they aren't really explained or explored.
Verdict?
NEVER thought I'd say this about a character from Big Tits Zombie, but
.
(takes one look at the name of the movie) I am mature. There is nothing I find remotely funny about that title.
Weak
to Maria.
edited 9th Mar '18 5:23:14 PM by Stellarvore
Reads Demon Duck's effortpost and inhales deeply Okay, I am a guy who got two Saints Row candidates nominated; as well as Big Scar Wu; made a serious attempt to get the Storm King voted up and a semi serious attempt with Fergus Hobart. I have also written fics and stories that mixes light hearted comedy with serious horror drama...
So
Maria.
edited 9th Mar '18 5:35:24 PM by Beast
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."Uh...
To Maria... I guess.
Well Jeez what next someone from American Dad, Family Guy, or South Park counting?
edited 9th Mar '18 5:57:29 PM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffAnd the award for best movie title goes too...
Abstaining on Maria.
edited 9th Mar '18 7:39:54 PM by AustinDR
to The Terror.
I was originally planning on abstaining; having seen The Tick (2016), I just thought the tone of the show wouldn't really allow for it. But, having read the effortpost, I'd say I'm convinced.
edited 9th Mar '18 7:40:39 PM by speyeker
Welp, in a rather unexpected turn of events, the Terror has gotten VERY little resistance, so I'm happy on my part. XD
I think I can say 'Yes' to Maria. Sounds like she stands out, even in....THAT kind of film.
Now then, myself and Lighty have got a couple of collabs coming up, one in particular I'm VERY excited about, but for now, we've got a film duo to handle....
What's the work?
Hypersomnia is a 2016 Argentinian thriller flick with some supernatural leanings to it.
We follow aspiring actress Milena as she has strange "blackouts" where she sees herself trapped as a trafficked sex slave alongside several other women. As we later learn, Milena is actually getting flashes of her twin sister Laly's current predicament, and thus we get our film with trafficking, serial killers, and one-armed lunatics.
Who is she?
"The boss," El Jefe, is the Big Bad of the film.
The leader of the human trafficking dungeon known as the Black House, El Jefe features as the overseer of over a half-dozen kidnapped women, using them to make herself rich while simultaneously feeding into her mentally disturbed son's....unethical inclinations.
What has she done?
El Jefe has over a half-dozen women kept locked in the Black House as sex slaves, charging rapists and other scummy folks to come in and rape the women at their leisure for a suitable fee. It is all but outright stated that these are far from the first "batch" of women El Jefe has had trafficked, and it is noted by one of the victims that El Jefe captured her when she was fourteen.
To help oversee the women, El Jefe employs the brutal thug One-Arm, as well as using her own schizophrenic son's serial killer alter ego "the Gardener", as enforcers. If the women displease El Jefe, she has One-Arm beat them or punish them in other ways. If the women try to escape, El Jefe has them killed without a second thought.
All the while, El Jefe gives women over to the Gardener to be viciously tortured to ensure more obedience, only ceasing this activity when one of the women dies from the torture, thus making El Jefe lose a profitable slave.
When the women eventually break free of their captors and begin killing them off one-by-one, El Jefe begins packing up to flee the Black House before the police arrive....when One-Arm demands his portion of the cash, El Jefe guns the man down to keep all the loot for herself.
When confronted by the escaped girls, El Jefe giddily tries to murder them all as revenge for escaping, however as she runs out of bullets, the women gang up on and beat El Jefe to death with lead pipes, thus ending the horrors of the Black House for good.
Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?
Nothing except....El Jefe keeps her schizophrenic son around and treats him nicely enough, and when confronted by One-Arm that by keeping him around, she's screwed up the entire operation, she remarks "He's my son, what did you expect me to do?"
This could have been redeeming, but I don't think it holds up. El Jefe uses her son for his horrific Gardener persona to keep the girls in line, only even acknowledging him to give his Gardener persona orders, and in the end, when the girls are murdering all her henchmen in the Black House? She ditches her son without a second thought, just collecting her money and trying to flee before the girls kill her or the police show up. So yeah, not really seeing it hold up when it's already ambiguous, then gets utterly trounced when she ditches him to whatever fate may befall him.
Heinousness?
Worst in-story, and handily over the baseline with trafficking women to be routinely beaten and raped, endorsing her psychotic son's sadistic torturing spree, and murdering her Dragon and ditching her son all on her platter.
Final Verdict?
Methinks a Keep.
edited 9th Mar '18 8:33:21 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
El Jefe
Okay given these weird candidates from works that I wouldn't have thought could have a CM I thought I give one of my own, especially today since two very controversial world leaders are meeting together. Now from the people who brought you Sausage Party and with it The Douche
I give you The Interview.
What's The Work?
The Interview is a 2014 American action comedy film that was meant to be released into theaters worldwide, but given some complaints by a certain Asian Country it was released online instead. It revolves around two journalists, played by James Franco and Seth Rogen traveling to North Korea to interview the country's leader.
Now the leader in question and my candidate for the day is Kim Jong-Un!
Who Is He? What Has He Done?
Kim Jong-un is the Big Bad of this film, who happens to be the leader of North Korea as well as the one responsible for much of the atrocities occurring in the country, which include starving its people to death. He also decides to nuke the entire world just because he can't stand the world saying what a bad leader he is. However, when he sees the Skylark show's 1000th episode, decides to put his nuclear plans on hold, and invite Dave Skylark (Franco's character) to his country to interview his so that he can use Skylark's show to manipulate the rest of the world into worshiping and seeing Kim as a god, and end up like the brainwashed North Koreans.
Now once Dave Skylark and Aaron Rappaport (Seth Rogen's character) arrive in North Korea, Kim pulls all the chops into manipulating Dave into his side. This includes showing him a grocery store, drive a tank together with Dave, singing the song Firework by Katy Perry, and hooking Dave with several hookers. This works for a while as Dave starts view Kim as a friend, until Dave notices Kim's true nature and walks out on Kim and discovers that the aforementioned grocery store is fake. Enraged to learn this Dave vows to expose Kim as the tyrannical monster he really is.
During the interview Dave asks Kim various questions pertaining to his crimes against humanity, which includes why he is starving his own people, even calling him out on the fake grocery store. As the interview progresses Kim starts breaking down eventually burst into tears when he listens to Dave singing Firework. Enraged that Dave humiliated him on television Kim show his true colors as he callously shoots him on live television for the world to see. He then decides to unleash all of his nukes onto the world hoping to kill the many billions that watched his meltdown.
When Dave survived being shot by Kim, he, Aaron, and Snook attempt to stop him. When Kim notices that Dave is alive he orders his soldiers to kill him and his friend and kills one of his own men when he tries to calm him down. Eventually, it ends with Dave killing Kim with a tank thus finally ending his reign of terror once and for all.
Freudian Excuse? Redeeming Qualities? Other Militating Factors
Note I'm only discussing the Film version of Kim Jong-Un NOT his real life counterpart just like many of the other fictional portrayals of real life people we've EP here.
His excuse involve being raised by his dictator father Kim Jong-Ill and inheriting the country once he died. This might have caused Un to become a very insecure leader but the atrocities he committed, such as nuking the whole world just because he can't stand them talking bad about him destroys any sympathy he might have had otherwise.
As for redeeming qualities when his two bodyguards die he start cry seemingly mourning over their death, but that's only to manipulate Dave into showing sympathy for him, and quickly gets over it in the next scene not mentioning them at all.
There also a melancholy version of Firework being play as Dave kills Kim with his tank, and while many people might confuse it as an Alas, Poor Villain moment, it really comes down to the hardships Dave and Aaron had suffered during their stay in North Korea. Kim's death itself is very karmic and well deserves (He literally explodes!), and Dave never shows any sympathy towards killing Kim nor does he mourn his death.
Lastly, about whoever he is too Played for Laughs to count, I'd say he's more like The Terror in that he is really just Laughably Evil. Kim does many humorous thing in the film such as riding a Tank with Dave and singing "Firework" with him but all that is really just to a ploy to manipulate Dave into liking him so that put Kim in a positive light during the interview. He is treated completely seriously In-Universe and his threat to Nuking the whole world is played completely seriously, and once his true nature is exposed the film shifts into a much darker and dramatic tone.
Heinousness
As the Big Bad, and only bad guy to get any characterization he sets it. He starved many of his people to death, callously shoots Dave and his men, as is absolutely willing to Nuke the whole world over petty reasons, all of which .
No one ever comes close to his crimes here so he easily passes!
Final Verdict
As usual I'll let you guys decide!
Hopefully the North Korean Government doesn't find my EP and decide to nuke where I live because of it!
edited 9th Mar '18 9:56:41 PM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff

Wow, I'm never in this thread anymore. Guess I just haven't had time or any real potential candidates lately.
I was wondering: I know there's a 2-week rule, where a candidate can only be proposed after the work has been out for that time period. So I've got a new (or not so new, you'll understand what I mean) candidate coming up, and the movie was just released in select theaters today, but will be on VOD and other more accessible formats on the 27th. Should I wait two weeks after the screenings, or two weeks after the VOD release?