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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

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  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#110151: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:46:07 PM

[tup] Varner, No. 9 and Trickster

[tdown] Eckles and Double

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#110152: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:55:10 PM

Lost my place again, but gonna catch up soon.

Saw Interstellar, The Visit, Split and Get Out all today. Thoughts on them all real quick: Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good, great. Get Out should win Best Picture as it is and Holy Crap, seeing that evil bitch in action was another thing entirely! Reiterating my [tup] to you know who! By that I mean Rose!

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#110153: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:19:15 PM

Yes to the Trickster, Varner and Golem.

No to Eckles and Double.

Anyway it just became Sunday where I live and I reserved the show star Trek Discovery and it ended 2 weeks go:

I think there is only one villain who has a shot of counting and I have doubts he is heinous enough.

So I am going to talk spoilers for the show, so beware.

The context of the show centers around a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. A Star Fleet officer named Michael Burnham tried to engage in a preemptive strike to prevent the Klingons from attacking and organized a mutiny on her ship to do so. Her mutiny is defeated and Klingons destroy her ship and kill her superior officer, captain Philippa Georgiou. A war breaks out between the Klingons and the Federation (debatable how much she is to blame for that, the Klingons are a very war like mood and there is a religious leader who wants war with the Federation to stop infighting within the Empire itself. Michael is sentenced to life in prison, but she is eventually drafted into the war and serves on the Star ship Discovery So there are two different sets of villains:

There was the religious leader, T'Kuvma , who wanted to start a war with the Federation to unite the Klingon, which is bad, but he thinks this war is needed to unite the Klingon empire and sees all Klingons as equals, so he doesn't count.

There is General Kol, a slimy Klingon general who takes over the war after the Klingon T'Kmuva dies. He has a few nasty moments, he convinces T'Kuvma cult to join his ranks to get their cloaking tech and then has them murdered. He sets up a "neutral" meeting with himself and a Star Fleet admiral to discuss peace, but then has the aliens hosting this meeting murdered and takes the admiral prisoner. He does typical stuff to prosecute the war, that I can't really blame him for. that. The only big war crime he might be guilty of is trying to destroy Pahvo, a planet with a transmitter the Federation is using to track Klingons through their cloaks. Pahvo has life forms on it, but they are not easy to detect, they did not show up on Federation sensors, so Kol may not have known they were there. That being said, the Pahvans did send a message to Kol to meet with the Starship Discovery to discuss peace terms, so that may be enough to let him know the planet was populated, I am not sure. There also maybe heinous issues, with some of the villains setting the bar high.

There is also Harry Mudd, who has an interesting rap sheet, using time travel to murder the Discovery crew over 50 times. That's an interesting crime, but its undone by the end of the episode and Mudd is such a goof ball in the TOS era, I can't consider Mudd a CM, even if he is more psychopathic here.

There are few other Klingon villains, Voq and L'Rell, who do not count for a million reasons.

Also Discovery ends up in the Mirror Universe and that leads to new villains showing up:

Emperor Philippa Georgiou (played by Michelle Yeoh), the mirror universe of captain Philippa Georgiou and ruler of the brutal Terran Empire. She is a genocidal maniac, willing to kill any aliens who are threat to Terran rule and nukes a planet where aliens rebelling against the Terrans are hiding. Her empire has torture as a common punishment, she has anyone who is considered disloyal beamed into space and she has alien slaves killed and served to her as supper. She also kills several members of her own council, just so they do not find out about the Prime Universe. She ends up in the Prime Universe, where she decides to end the war between the Federation and the Klingons, by destroying the Klingon home world. Starfleet agreed to this plan, wanting to end the war before the Klingons destroy the Federation, but Michael shames them and demands they stick to their principals, even in a desperate war situation, making them abandon this plan. Anyway Emperor Georgiou does not count, because she actually cares about Michael, so she is a good 99% monster.

There is also Captain Lorca, the commanding officer of the Discovery, who is really from the Mirror Universe and wants to overthrow Emperor Georgiou. He pretends to be a good guy before the reveal and while scummy, he fails the heinous standard, only getting to be a villain for one episode. He acts like a racist jerk and several of Emperor Georgiou's men with biological weapons, but that's it. He also seems to care about Michael.

So really Kol is the only villain in the running and Emperor Georgiou may be worse.

edited 24th Feb '18 11:25:11 PM by Overlord

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#110154: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:27:45 PM

[up] is Kol still alive if so he might commit more atrocities that could make him a firmer keeper

[down] oh you still feel like EP him anyway to see if he counts or not?

edited 25th Feb '18 1:19:58 AM by G-Editor

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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#110155: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:33:15 PM

[up] No, he's dead and the war is over, so his arc done.

They are setting up some stuff for season 2, a Vulcan extremist tried to kill Spock's father Sarek by blowing himself up and there seems to be a movement of Vulcan extremists that want cleanse the planet Vulcan of outside influences, we will see where that leads in season 2.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#110156: Feb 25th 2018 at 12:17:35 AM

Oh hey speaking of Mega Man (since we were discussing Double). Didnt Fried Warthog have a picture of Mega Man DS for the page image of Mega Man. I remember that from back when I was a lurker.

edited 25th Feb '18 12:19:53 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#110158: Feb 25th 2018 at 2:49:31 AM

There are too many Mark Hamill jokes to make, so I'll just [tup] The Trickster and be done with it.

But, you know, I think Hamill's got enough crap for the stuff he said about that film and so I think we should lay off of him for it; even if you think he really does hate it I'm sure it's annoying him by now.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#110159: Feb 25th 2018 at 3:25:28 AM

[tup] to Golem, Simon Varner, and the Trickster.

Okay, sorry it took me all week, but here are my rewrites for both Classic Masters:

  • The Roger Delgado incarnation, beneath a veneer of suave charm and culture, hides a petty, spiteful megalomaniac, who values nothing but power and besting the Doctor, leaving piles of (often shrunken) corpses in his wake. Debuting in season 8’s, “Terror of the Autons” his first act was to randomly murder a scientist to use his corpse to signify his arrival. Masterminding the Nestene Consciousness’s invasion, he engineers multiple creative deaths and hypnotises Jo into attempting to blow up herself, the Doctor and everyone in UNIT Headquarters. Foiled, he precedes to implement numerous other plots ranging from: using an Mind parasite to murder people through forcing them to experience their worst fear and stealing a nuclear missile in an attempt to start World War III, assisting the Sea Devils to retake the earth and wipe out mankind for no other than reason to spite the Doctor’s fondness of humanity, taking control of Kronos and using it to destroy the entire civilisation of Atlantis, and framing the Earth and the Draconian Empire’s for multiple attacks on the other, in an attempt to spark a war between the two powers leaving them too weak to repel an immanent Dalek invasion. At the end of his final regeneration upon the brink of death he dropped all previous pretences, now valuing nothing other than his own survival. Returning to Gallifrey, he manipulating the ambitious Goth into assassinating the Lord High President and framed the Doctor, as part of his plan to steal the power of Eye of Harmony, almost wiping out his entire race and civilisation in the process. Thwarted he spent decades manipulating Kassia before casually killing her to steal the power of Keeper of Traken, allowing him to take the Doctor’s body and regenerations. As his final act, he used the last of the power to hijack the body of kind-hearted Tremas killing him.

  • The resultant Anthony Ainley incarnation possessed all his predecessors cunning and brilliance, coupled with far greater impulsivity and instability. In his first appearance in an attempt to conquer Logopolis, accidentally caused the entire universe to collapse in on itself, destroying approximately a quarter before it was halted. Pretending to help the Doctor, he took control of the solution and attempted to blackmail the entire universe into submitting to his rule or he would obliterate everything. When Doctor stopped his plan, he sent him falling to his death causing him to regenerate. The Master then attempted to take advantage of the Doctor’s resultant regeneration sickness to permanently kill him, kidnapping Adric, he painfully used him as living computer to create Castrovalva, complete with sapient natives, all of which were destroyed when the trap collapsed in on itself. In his attempts to steal the near-extinct Xeraphin’s power, he murdered the first born Xeraphin, kidnapped and enslaved dozens, and caused a schism that created a purely malevolent half to the Xeraphin Hive Mind. Taking control of the vicious carnivorous Cheatah People the Master sent them to earth, kidnapping numerous innocent humans as prey, with few who escaped slowly becoming Cheetah people themselves. Infected by the planet himself, the Master used the semi-transformed Midge to escape to earth, ensuring Midge's transformation was irreversible, and tried to build a new army of Cheetah people from brainwashed youths having them kill for sport. Dragging the Doctor back to the planet he attempted to use his new powers to kill him, uncaring that his actions were causing the planet to break apart around them. This incarnation of The Master was far less reserved, murdering any in his way and treating their deaths with a cool, amused disdain. Even the extermination of countless billions was nothing more than a pebble in the Master's path.

Now I know they're a bit long, but their was a lot of ground to cover. I limited it to only their very worst crimes, but even then their was a lot I had to cut out. Its just a little longer than John Simms Master write up (who made far less appearances) but if their is anything you think is unnecessary let me know.

edited 25th Feb '18 4:07:09 AM by MGD107

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#110160: Feb 25th 2018 at 3:40:07 AM

[up]Holy shit. The old entries really undersold them if you just saw the old ones, you'd think Johnn simm was the worst but theese two are just as nasty if not more so.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#110161: Feb 25th 2018 at 3:50:30 AM

[tup] Trickster.

Any way to trim the Master's new writeups at all?

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#110162: Feb 25th 2018 at 3:54:03 AM

[up][up]Oh yeah, and those are just his worst crimes, that's why I wanted to rewrite them for so long. During the Classic Series (discounting a period of Villain Decay where they stopped taking anything seriously) the Master was the shows heinous standard.

I was kind disappointed I couldn't find anywhere to put a few of the numerous random murder spree's and destruction by collateral damage he caused, but the problem is everything time he appeared it meant a lot of people were going to die, or get brainwashed, or get tortured, or all of the above.

[up]I don't know, I already cut out quite a lot. As I said their not much longer than John Simms present write up (who made far less appearances, and thus less crimes) but if you any suggestions I'll implement them.

When your the Archenemy in such a long running show, things tend to pile up.

edited 25th Feb '18 4:26:44 AM by MGD107

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Goku Black
#110163: Feb 25th 2018 at 4:23:22 AM

[up]I think were good. They do a lot so a long write-up is fine.

Though as far as write-ups that could do with a trimm. Could somone trimm Krytus from Hot Wheels Battle Force 5. Its one of the the longest on the Cartoon Network page. Iv watched the show and he counts suprsionaly easily for a Hot wheels cartoon but I am bad at trimming write-ups and keepng the important stuff only, so cant do it myself.

  • Complete Monster: Krytus, the 3rd Big Bad. He's known as the most malicious being in the multiverse (this was said by another Big Bad!) and evil incarnate. He restarted a eons old war between the Red and Blue Sentients just because he saw the Blues as weak and inferior and desired to conquer the multiverse. When Sage froze the Red Sentients, the war continued and Krytus carried out a genocide on the Blues. At one point, it's revealed that he had several thousand Blue Sentients tortured to death and the one who managed to enter hibernation to escape him was punished by having his body sabotaged, dooming him when he woke up. Krytus's first action after being freed from his prison is to throw the one who released him off a cliff! He then spends most of the series trying to kill Sage (his own sister), who is a pacifist who only wants peace. At one point, after being forced into an Enemy Mine with Vert to escape the Shadow Zone, he sets up an ambush for Vert the moment they're out of it, unlike previous villains who normally had the honor to let the Battle Force 5 go after an Enemy Mine. Not even the other villains are safe from his wrath, as he starts an Enemy Civil War among the Vandals through Grimian. But what solidifies this is at the season finale, when he and Sage finally have a confrontation. After asking Sage Was It Really Worth It? to imprison the Red Sentients, she replies that if she hadn't, Krytus would've endangered not only the Blue Sentients, but the multiverse. Krytus actually agrees with her, fully admitting that not only does he know what he's doing is evil and wrong, he doesn't care so long as he can conquer the multiverse. The only reason he tried to free the Red Sentients was because he wanted an army to conquer the multiverse with, not out of concern for them.

edited 25th Feb '18 4:34:10 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#110164: Feb 25th 2018 at 4:45:14 AM

[up]In that case, I've put them both on drafts.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#110165: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:02:40 AM

[tup] the Trickster in light of new information.

Also concurring with Overlord's posting re: no one counting from Star Trek Discovery. General Kol is interesting to me insofar as another example of how I've thought the general Worthy Opponent nature of Klingons makes them also have a lot of characters who deliberately subvert that to establish them as really bad - but really bad in this case does not mean CM, and he fails the heinousness standard clearly enough that there's no real need for discussion. Everybody else has redeeming qualities.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#110166: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:03:48 AM

@miraculous How's this rewrite from Krytus.........I kept it the same but I trimmed some unecessary parts.......Yea, I have also seen the show but I forgot about it actually.......Sorry :/

Krytus, the 3rd Big Bad, was known as the most malicious being in the multiverse. He restarted an eons old war between the Red and Blue Sentients and desired to conquer the multiverse. When Sage, Krytus own sister, froze the Red Sentients, Krytus carried out a genocide on the Blues. It was also revealed that he had several thousand Blue Sentients tortured to death and the one who managed to enter hibernation to escape him was punished by having his body sabotaged, dooming him when he woke up. Krytus's first action after being freed from his prison is to throw the one who released him off a cliff. He then spends most of the series trying to kill Sage. After being forced into an Enemy Mine with Vert to escape the Shadow Zone, he sets up an ambush for Vert the moment they're out of it. Not even the other villains are safe from his wrath, as he starts an Enemy Civil War among the Vandals through Grimian. In the season finale, when he and Sage finally have a confrontation, he asks Sage if it was worth to imprison the Red Sentients, in which she replies that if she hadn't, Krytus would've endangered not only the Blue Sentients, but the multiverse. Krytus actually agrees with her, fully admitting that not only does he know what he's doing is evil and wrong and he doesn’t care at all due to the fact that he will used them as an army to conquer the the Multiverse itself.

Is it still too long? If so then I'll handle the writeup to someone else

[down] Which rewrite that you refer to?

edited 25th Feb '18 5:14:37 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#110167: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:08:49 AM

[tup] Golem, Simon Varner, and the Trickster.

I have a question, how many Tarantinoverse villains count as CM's? After all, his films as notoriously brutal yet emotional. I know that Vic Vega, that Yakuza guy from Kill Bill, and Mike count. Any more?

EDIT: Actually, make the Krytus rewrite a bit shorter.

edited 25th Feb '18 5:14:08 AM by MenInGreyToBlak

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#110168: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:17:58 AM

Rewrite again for Krytus:

Krytus, the 3rd Big Bad, was known as the most malicious being in the multiverse. He restarted an eons old war between the Red and Blue Sentients and desired to conquer the multiverse. When Sage, Krytus own sister, froze the Red Sentients, Krytus carried out a genocide on the Blues. It was also revealed that he had several thousand Blue Sentients tortured to death and the one who managed to enter hibernation to escape him was punished by having his body sabotaged, dooming him when he woke up. After being freed from his prison, he then throws the one who released him off a cliff. He then spends most of the series trying to kill Sage. After being forced into an Enemy Mine with Vert to escape the Shadow Zone, he sets up an ambush for Vert the moment they're out of it. Not even the other villains are safe from his wrath, as he starts an Enemy Civil War among the Vandals through Grimian. In the season finale, when he and Sage finally have a confrontation, he asks Sage if it was worth to imprison the Red Sentients, in which she replies that if she hadn't, Krytus would've endangered not only the Blue Sentients, but the multiverse. Krytus agrees with her as he will used them as an army to conquer the the Multiverse itself, uncaring if they're dead or not.

How's this? This is what happens if you watch the series and starting to forget about it X(

edited 25th Feb '18 5:20:08 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
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Goku Black
#110169: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:52:30 AM

[up]Looks better. Add to drafts.

[down]Ah its good. I made a few tweaks myself.

For anyone wondering Krytus is (I think) the only CM from Brian Drummond

edited 25th Feb '18 6:12:31 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#110170: Feb 25th 2018 at 5:56:39 AM

[up] Aaaand send.........Sorry if the rewrite is rather messy as this is the first time I'm doing it and like I said, my memory of the show is rather vague despite having watching it.

edited 25th Feb '18 5:56:56 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
UtterKoala Since: Mar, 2017
#110171: Feb 25th 2018 at 6:29:06 AM

Okay, don’t rip my head off for this.

What is the work?

Seven People in my Neighborhood Are Dead, and I Don't Watch Movies About Serial Killers Anymore. Yes, this is a No Sleep. That said, who I am recommending today is a lot more subtle than the others.

Who is he?

The Vampire, but I’ll be calling him “Meachum” (the name of the cop he killed and identity he stole briefly)

What did he do?

Stalking around The Protagonist’s neighborhood one night, “Meachum” is scared off by her neighbor when he enters her yard.

Reappearing later in the night, chasing a high school freshman named Hannah Wilkins, he kills her outside of the protagonist’s door and makes off with her body.

When the protagonist calls two cops to investigate Hannah’s disappearance, he kills them and takes the name of one of the cops, Meachum.

Stealing one of their uniforms, he uses his cop disguise, trying to convince the protagonist to invite him in. However, she refuses when she notices Meachum’s name tag on his person, but didn’t recognize him as Meachum.

Growing angry, he spends several hours furiously banging on her door, then proceeded to kill a jogger who was making his way past the protagonist’s house.

The protagonist reveals he killed seven people that night, and that wasn’t the first small neighborhood he hit

He disappeared after that and was never caught.

Freudian Excuse or Mitigating Factors?

None. Though he is a vampire, he is portrayed more as a serial killer/mass murderer than a hungry predator.

Heinous Standard?

Sets it, only antagonist.

Conclusion?

I’ll let you guys figure it out.

edited 25th Feb '18 6:33:20 AM by UtterKoala

MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#110172: Feb 25th 2018 at 7:37:27 AM

[tup] New Rewrite

Ok, so now I've got two candidates from Wallander, from the same episode. They'll be in the same EP, so it's two candidates in one EP. These two are absolute psychopaths.

What is the Work?

Wallander is a crime-thriller series about a commisioner named Kurt Wallander who is married to his job. The episode is named The Man who Smiled, which is about a famous businessman who gets killed. Just after this, the guy's son, who is an attorney, gets murdered as well.

Ladies and gentlemen, our murderer(s).

Who are they? What do they do?

Alfred Hardeberg, "Hardenberg" in the english version, described as "the devil" by one businessman, is an extremely wealthy businessman who is beloved by pretty much the entire world due to owning a philanthropic business that supports poor families from other countries, helping them. He has an adopted daughter named Kristina, who he chose because she was pretty much a perfect person. Not in that way, of course. She is extremely intelligent, high fighting skills, skilled with guns, high education... everything. She's also an extremely sociopathic person who only cares for money rather than what their business is shown to be.

They hire two, from what I remember, unnamed assassins who do the dirty work. The assassins hide behind a bush, just before placing a bomb on a garden. The bomb eventually blows up, hurting everyone who lives there, if not killing some of them. They also supposedly kill a cat in the process... a really cute one as well... f*cking douchebags...

The assassins then get caught by Wallander and his ex-wife Maja, who chase them in a car chase scene. They shoot Wallander, but doesn't succeed in killing him. When Wallander is in a hospital after they shot him, they try killing him again, but ultimately fail because of other cops being at the hospital. However, they do come out alive again.

During a business showcase that Wallander and Maja is at in order to see what the Hardeberg's are up to, the Hardeberg's present their most recent project; TLL. Tools for Longer Life is a company where poor people from poor countries are able to sacrifice their organs for some money, giving the organs to people that have the money to buy the organs. Now, that may sound like a well-intentioned thing gone a bit twisted; it isn't. Alfred and Kristina kill CHILDREN in order to test the project.

Kristina is then shown shooting a random guy outside through the window inside of their house for no reason at all, and then asks if she can kill Wallander. Alfred answers that she shouldn't do it, and to add on his already big obsession with perfection, he says that it feels like she isn't as perfect as she used to be when she was younger. Kristina doesn't even care about this and just walks away.

Wallander, after realizing that they are killing multiple children as well as other innocent people because of their business project, becomes furious and gets a taxi that drives him all the way to their house. A former policeman, also named Kurt ironically, hss changed career choice and is now a sort of bodyguard or something similar to the Hardebergs. He prevents Wallander from disrupting Alfred and Kristina, since they are having a conversation about business.

The night after, Kurt (not Kurt Wallander, the other Kurt) goes outside of the Hardeberg's house. He sees a child's face buried deep inside of the dirt. He becomes traumatized by this, and calls Wallander and tells him about it.

Once Wallander arrives at their house, Alfred and Kristina are sitting smugly with Kurt and an asian parent to one of the kids that they are "taking care of". Alfred sarcastically states that Wallander should drop the gun, since there is a kid in the house. Wallander becomes absolutely furious, and prepares to kill Alfred. Alfred stays incredibly calm, giving a speech about why morals are useless in his case and why Wallander will never kill him.

Ultimately, Alfred and Kristina pull a Karma Houdini, they don't get arrested nor do they die.

Heinousness

Both easily pass it. Killing children is quite unusual in Wallander, with only like three episodes covering it (including this one). It is about as low as villains can go in the series, since rape isn't a thing.

Mitigating Factors/Freudian Excuse

None. Alfred doesn't care about Kristina in the way a parent should, he sees her as a project rather than his own child and wants his business to continue through her. Kristina doesn't necessarily care for Alfred all that much either, and has about the same views on him as Alfred has on her.

Conclusion

As usual, I'll leave it to you guys.

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#110173: Feb 25th 2018 at 7:38:11 AM

How descriptive are the characters? For that matter, how much of a plot does the work have? From a glance at that EP, it sounds like "Serial killer kills people in a neighbourhood while a half-assed attempt to stop him is put forth".

Alfred and Kristina, however, sound like an easy yea.

Edit: Following Tyk's expertise on the subject, I'm going to abstain on the vampire.

edited 25th Feb '18 8:35:22 AM by 43110

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#110175: Feb 25th 2018 at 8:24:18 AM

All right, as someone who has written his own horror story where some evil supernatural entity terrorizes a neighborhood, I figure it's only fair to weigh in my two cents here. I read this story. For those of you wondering, no, Seven People in my Neighborhood Are Dead, and I Don't Watch Movies About Serial Killers Anymore is not some shitty, grimdark, edgy, gory story where lots of people die, and then the end. This story focuses solely on the protagonist's POV, and most of the violence happens in the background and isn't gratuitous.

That being said, this story is barely over 2,000 words. It's basically just "Some girl is tormented by a vampire while hiding in her house, and said vampire kills seven people. She has to survive the night. She does. The end."

The villain in question is kinda generic, but he does have a personality, such as him licking the protagonist's door. But it's minimal. It's barely there.

I don't necessarily think this is a horrible premise for a story, but the execution is....eh. This story feels like someone scribbled it out quickly and posted it online. There's really not all that much to it. I'm not gonna vote down the antagonist, because this story is a story, it's not just endless gore for the sake of endless gore, and the story does seem somewhat competently written. At the same time though, I can't vote the antagonist up either. Regardless of the quality of the story, this vampire basically kills a small handful of people and torments the antagonist all night......and that's it. I feel like this antagonist would work perfectly if he had more character and the story was at least ten times its current length. But as it is.....eh.

I'm gonna abstain.

I will [tup] Alfred and Kristina though.

edited 25th Feb '18 8:25:54 AM by Tyk5919

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