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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#108528: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:33:34 PM

The Clan write-up needs to focus on the two that do qualify if the third one shows redeeming qualities, and it overall feels so out of focus.

@108454

I think the Jansen write-up should mention that Jansen lacks the redeeming qualities of his book counterpart.

edited 10th Feb '18 8:38:12 PM by xie323

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#108529: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:40:18 PM

You know, I have been considering proposing Hydia, given she is an awful person who wants to control a monster capable of ending all reality for that very reason, however, one moment makes me very hesitant.

Before she uses Draggle as the vessel for the S'Müz to enter Equestria, she says she is sorry to her. It's brief, and she has been very abusive to her the whole time, but still, it makes me unsure.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#108530: Feb 10th 2018 at 8:58:46 PM

[up][up] We don't need to make mention of the source material every time we write up a character from an adaptation. No.

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#108531: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:20:50 PM

Hey, something which has been bothering for a while.

Okay, having reread Invasion America?

Jian Hong still counts, however, he needs a slight rewrite. See, the whole nuking to further increase tensions between America and Germany thing?

It isn't entirely unique for this series. Nukes get tossed around a lot in it, the nuking of Oklahoma being unique because of sheer scale, but all the same, his entry misses some of deeds.

I would remove that and add in something explaining how he goes on to political isolate America through force of arms, and include a reference to the Hawaiian War of Independence, which he probably instigated. Also, point out the reason he ordered the nuking of Oklahoma was also to strengthen his control over the government as well.

Man was that deluded.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#108532: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:24:26 PM

From what I remember, wasn't Arcade's only real standout horribly evil moment during Avengers Arena where he killed a bunch of teen heroes? I wasn't around for most of his discussion but I assume it didn't do quite enough to propel him to "worst of the worst" status.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#108533: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:26:56 PM

Who's up for a bland movie villain? Yeah, me neither but here's one anyways:

What's the work?

Dark Web is a Netflix film, concerning a young girl, Ilona, who is captured by a bizarre, terrifying and well-armed group, along with her brother, Stanislas as insurance to make her cooperate in their mysterious aims, as well as kill her father. After being taken to a compound, she is informed she must act as prey for wealthy hunters to follow specific instruction on capturing and killing, while the ordeal is filmed and uploaded to the dark web. Our candidate today? The sick mind behind it all

Who is the Boss? What has he done?

The unnamed head of the operation (incidentally played by Danny Glover) plans to have his friends over watch the premier of the disgusting hunt, musing that he hopes Ilona to be more "interesting" than the last girl. We discover the Boss' operation size is utterly massive, making millions every year with the perverted videos he uploads. Although he's mostly handsoff, given he's not even on location for the events of the film, he webcams in to talk to his minions and show what a greedy prick he is, losing his shit at the notion of his hunting rules being disobeyed since it would mean he would lose view count and money. He cares nothing for the lives of his hunters either, having an ex-Soviet sniper team take out anyone who tries to leave the hunting grounds. Unfortunately, being so far removed from the action, he's only able to watch and rage when Stanislas breaks out of the cell he's being held in, kills many of the Boss' minions and mutes his screen, leaving him to silently rage while he and Ilona go about destroying his compound.

Heinousness?

Some of the hunters are nasty pricks, especially one Serial Killer with at least 10 victims but even then he doesn't really stand out too much from the other hunters, especially since other than trying to kill the heroine, his onscreen victims are also other asshole human hunters. The Boss is behind the whole operation and has been in business long enough to make a fortune off the hunting of young girls. He's head and shoulders above everybody else.

Mitigating factors?

None, he only gets angry at killing Ilona in a way that would cost him profit. He's a greedy monster and there's nothing good about him.

Verdict

A boring film but brings a keeper.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#108534: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:28:04 PM

Yes to evil Danny Glover Whom Hunts Little Girls.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:29:02 PM by Scraggle

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#108535: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:31:01 PM

[tup] to the Boss

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#108536: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:36:31 PM

Aye to the Boss.

How do you make a film about hunting girls boring?

edited 10th Feb '18 9:36:53 PM by Vampireandthen

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#108537: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:38:50 PM

[tup]pizer and boss

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#108538: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:39:33 PM

Well, I don't know how you accomplish boredom with that premise, but you can fix it by swapping out a little girl with Ice-T.

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#108539: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:47:58 PM

[up]That a rapper?

So, about Jian, rewrite him a bit?

Also, got another candidate tomorrow. An alternate history were the British intervene in the American Civil War plausibly, no Alien Space Bats flying around here.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#108540: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:51:51 PM

Yeah... though he seems to act a lot more than most.

As for Jian... do as you see fit, man.

edited 10th Feb '18 9:52:08 PM by 43110

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#108541: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:26:17 PM

Say it ain't so, Murtaugh! Yeah, evil Danny Glover/the hunter boss is a keeper.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:26:48 PM by FriedWarthog

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#108543: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:11:38 PM

  • Yes to Danny Glover
  • Alright time for a new proposal
  • What is the work?
    • A Wrinkle in Time is a science fantasy novel about Meg, her brother Charles Wallace, and their friend Calvin being sent off on a journey to save their father from the planet Camazotz.
  • Who is IT?
    • IT is a Brain in a Jar and the ruler of Camazotz and the Big Bad of the book. IT speaks through IT's brainwashed minions. I will not mention the Black Thing here as we never find out how IT is connected to it.
  • What does IT do?
    • As the ruler of Camazotz IT forces all of the inhabitants to live in a sort of Hive Mind where IT has control over their lives and they lack individuality and free will. Anybody who fails to conform is "reconditioned" by The Man with Red Eyes through Cold-Blooded Torture which is intended to crush a person's individuality. Furthermore anybody who gets sick is killed by IT. Prior to the events of the book IT captured Meg's Father and forced him to endure several years of Mind Rape in an attempt to brainwash him. When the kids meet The Man with Red Eyes he discusses IT's desire to enslave the universe and proves to be a Manipulative Bastard who tricks Charles Wallace into being controlled by IT. Later when Meg and Calvin talk to the brainwashed Charles Wallace he takes sadistic glee in seeing a child be reprocessed for bouncing his ball out of sync with his neighbors and coldly brushes off the idea of killing sick people being murder. No wonder IT calls ITself the Happiest Sadist.
  • Heinousness?
    • No contest aside from the Black Thing it's the most evil thing in the book
  • Mitigating factors?
    • Aside from a lack of sick people on Camazotz the killing of sick people is not seen first hand. Also IT isn't physically present for most of the book instead acting through The Man with Red Eyes and other brainwashed minions.
  • Final Verdict
    • I think it fits quite well.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#108544: Feb 10th 2018 at 11:47:23 PM

[tup] S'Muz and Boss

Isn't Wrinkle of Time part of a quartet? How does IT stack up to the otbers?

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#108545: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:46:02 AM

A bit nitpicky, but I think Dr. Paige should say Dr. Ava Paige too.

MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
#108546: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:42:05 AM

[tup]S'Muz and Boss.

By the way, guys. I recently saw "Dolan's Cadillac" and there's something that bothers me: the scene where Dolan see on his laptop the trafficking children he's about to sell. He looks a bit disgusted when he sees them. Unlike there's something who confirm that it was Pragmatic Villainy or at least nothing morally, I think we should cut him.

edited 11th Feb '18 2:45:56 AM by MovieFan2000

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#108547: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:43:12 AM

[up]That was in his effort-post. He had an issue with it but he gets over it later.

edited 11th Feb '18 2:52:21 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MovieFan2000 Since: Jan, 2016
#108548: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:46:49 AM

The movie ends with him buried alive by Robinson. What confirms he gets over it before that ?

edited 11th Feb '18 2:47:21 AM by MovieFan2000

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#108549: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:53:07 AM

[up] Heres the effort-post :

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=4291

edited 11th Feb '18 2:53:28 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#108550: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:59:46 AM

I remember there was one Arcade that might've counted, but I think he eventually went back to being a joke.

[tup] Pizer.

[tup] Danny Glover; add him to the list of those who have both fought a CM and played one.


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