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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#105851: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:43:14 AM

[up]

....Huh. That's...actually. Well. Never really thought about that one. Been a while since I read the Divine Comedy and mainly remembered Luce as a three headed monster desperately trying to escape while munching on Judas, Cassius and Brutus. And...given everything we see in the Inferno, I'm inclined to upvote.

edited 10th Jan '18 11:43:34 AM by Lightysnake

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#105852: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:45:18 AM

I'm... actually tempted to say yea to Dis here if there's none of the usual weird agency issues with how the Biblical Satan is usually interpreted. Yea to Maletoth.

edited 10th Jan '18 11:45:39 AM by Scraggle

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#105853: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:46:04 AM

Honestly, I think Dust Snitch provided...pretty strong evidence from the Comedy's actual Cantos that Lucifer's completely responsible for his own actions.

Thoughts on Maletoth?

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#105855: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:48:38 AM

[tup]Maletoth and Dis

A bit strange that the Divine comedy is almost 700 years old and one of the most famous works ever and Dis has never been discussed before on this thread before.

edited 10th Jan '18 11:50:43 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#105857: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:52:02 AM

[tup] for Maletoth and Dis.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#105858: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:52:29 AM

Gotta say. As far as first impressions go, that's a strong one, Dust.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#105859: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:55:18 AM

Yes to Dis and Maletoth.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#105860: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:01:44 PM

Any more votes for Toramin? Post on 105839.

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#105861: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:02:51 PM

[tup] Maletoth. If need be, we can just specify the endings in which he counts.

BTW, not sure if this was ever answered, but Floyd: Is the cannibalism before or after the murders?

[tup] Dis. Talk about Hoist by His Own Petard! Dude created Hell, and now is trapped in it. Then again, Dante's a huge fan of Laser-Guided Karma.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#105862: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:03:24 PM

Yes to Toramin. After, probably for Floyd, but he does force feed them pieces of his old victims while they're still breathing. [up] Like half the Inferno is Dante writing people he personally hated into hell.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:03:45 PM by Lightysnake

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#105863: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:04:41 PM

Hmm, I'm gonna go [tdown] on Floyd then. It's very close, but the damn CM heinous standard.

And yeah, probably more than half [lol]

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#105864: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:05:38 PM

One more aye to Toramin.

By the way, someone mind doing a tally for Floyd?

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#105865: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:08:25 PM

@therealjackieboy: Ah, my bad. [tup] for Lord Toramin.

I'll do a tally for Floyd. I'll also abstain, because the heinous standard for the show is ridiculous at this point.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#105866: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:09:45 PM

The main reason I'm more interested in Floyd than any other candidate from this show is because of this... rather sudden subversion of redeeming qualities, especially because I know he'd been discussed, downvoted, and even brought up in reference under the same clauses that the recent episode invalidated.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#105867: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:13:10 PM

Right. So not including Lighty (who proposed him), Floyd's 13 [tup], 5 [tdown], 2 abstain.

[down] My bad. Also count me as an abstain.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:18:25 PM by Tyk5919

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#105868: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:15:53 PM

Alright, let's see:

[tup]: Lighty; miraculous (tentative); JoeBlitz; ELF90 ("leaning towards abstain albeit a bit [tup]"); Vampire ("barely"); FW; Scraggle; HT; Beast; Ravok; DDD; G-Editor; Overlord ("slight"); MGD

[tdown]: emperors; Ambar; TommyFresh; Myself

ABSTAIN: MenInGreyToBlak (from a no); LordXavius; Tyk

And as I'm typing this I get [nja] :(

For me, it's not the absence of redeeming qualities, it's the heinousness. Double-digit murders? Yawn. Cannibalism? Bad, but if it's post-mortem that doesn't matter to me.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:18:54 PM by ACW

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#105869: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:17:57 PM

Your vote is entirely your own providence, ACW. If it's no, it's no. But consensus is consensus.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#105870: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:18:37 PM

[up] Oh, I'm aware of that. The thread has spoken.

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#105871: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:30:27 PM

ACW: For me, at least? The reason why I have no problem voting Floyd up is the fact that even if he doesn't eat his victims alive, him forcing or tricking others into eating people is so horrible and fucked up that to me it more than makes up for it.

And yes to Dis! I think he's living proof that there are plenty of CM qualifiers out there with no signs of being exhausted. If something as big as the Divine Comedy is only just now being discussed, who knows what other works have been looked over? (As an example, I'm thinking about getting into the decently popular MMO Warframe. Which, from the look of things, may have a few characters worth looking into based on the research I've done...)

JoeBlitz Since: Dec, 2016
#105872: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:41:25 PM

[tup] Demon, Toramin, Angela, Dis, and Maletoth.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#105873: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:46:45 PM

[up][up] Fair enough.

And I think there's a whole genre untapped. Anyone ever here of men's adventure novels from the 70s and 80s? I have dozens of them, and I'm SURE there's probably at least ONE qualifier SOMEWHERE.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#105874: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:47:28 PM

[tup] Angela, Dis, and Maletoth

And a big [tup] to whoever decided it was a good idea to have a theatrical movie for Teen Titans Go!

edited 10th Jan '18 12:51:32 PM by G-Editor

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#105875: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:55:58 PM

[tup] Maletoth. And Dante's Satan. Wow, that was unexpected but welcome.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:57:53 PM by HamburgerTime


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