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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#102301: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:58:39 AM

[tup]Scarecrow

Kinda amazed that the master of fear has like only 2. You'd think he'd have more with his power set and personality

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#102302: Dec 10th 2017 at 8:59:34 AM

One last thing before I forget? Luke's last name is "Lerner". Just for a little addition to his writeup.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#102303: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:15:07 AM

[tup] for Scarecrow.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#102305: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:18:11 AM

Yes to Scarecrow. Gonna echo a common sentiment and say that I'm genuinely surprised that this is only the second version of the character to count.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#102307: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:22:55 AM

[tup] Scarecrow (Inb 4 someone found a fanfiction version for him that could count)

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#102308: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:25:12 AM

[tup]Scarecrow.

Anymore thoughts on this image of New 52!Mongul?

Why so serious?
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#102309: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:26:11 AM

[tup] Scarecrow. My favorite Batman villain.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#102310: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:27:20 AM

[tup] Scarecrow. I was thinking Riddler might be the third; I'd forgotten that Death acted as Scarecrow's flunky.

BTW, why doesn't Film!Scarecrow count?

Incidentally, that's not all; Riddler and Penguin (well, Cobblepot) only have one each. And Zsasz only has his original incarnation; THAT's surprising, although that may be because he's TOO dark for some adaptations (I remember in animated Spidey they made Carnage a Mad Bomber).

edited 10th Dec '17 9:29:13 AM by ACW

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
In love with an Uptown Girl
#102311: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:40:39 AM

[tup] Scarecrow.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#102312: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:48:27 AM

[up][up] Something I should note about comic book villains that I noticed is that when there a CM in Comic canon it's more likely that they count in an adaptation that is close to what there canon personality is (e.g. Brainiac, Red Skull and Joker ). For guys who don't count in the comics, you will get an occasional Adaptational Villainy version that counts but it won't be the norm that they count as a CM in an adaptation as you creaters tend keep there normal personality which means they can't count.

edited 10th Dec '17 9:49:42 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#102313: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:52:46 AM

We DO have two versions of Deathstroke and two of Anarky, whereas the originals don't count.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#102314: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:52:52 AM

  • City Hunter: The BMW Devil, from the early chapters, drives an expensive car to abduct, rape and then murder young women. This unfortunate fate befalls one woman's sister, prompting her to seek out the City Hunter, Ryo Saeba. Upon learning of Ryo's involvement, the Devil murders his one accomplice before trying to murder Ryo as well. Boasting he plans to double his body count, then double it again and again, the Devil attempts to rape his last victim's sister before Ryo interferes. The Devil furiously attacks them both, furious with them for interfering with his "pleasure".
  • Rizevim Livan Lucifer, son of Lucifer and Lilith, is a hedonistic, wicked devil who believes Devils are meant to be beings of pure evil. To that end, he convinced his son to horribly abuse his own son Vali, using his son's wife as a hostage for that purpose. Rizevim then murdered his own son and abandoned Vali. Returning upon learning of Trihexa, the beast of the apocalypse, Rizevim seeks to use it to destroy the world and rule over what's left. Attacking the vampire race and also heaven to kill as much as he can in pursuit of the Grails to free Trihexa, Rizevim also abuses and tries to murder the gentle Asia Argento. When he is finally killed, Rizevim even uses his own soul as a means to unleash Trihexa, determined to take all creation to death with him.
  • Metal Armor Dragonar: General Dorchenov is a high-ranking, brutal member of the Giganos Empire who pushes his leader Marshall Guiltorre to worse deeds, including advocating for a group of Earthling demonstrators to be massacred. When he reveals his super weapon, the Lava Gun, to cause mass casualties on Earth, a disgusted Guiltorre rebukes him, resulting in Dorchenov murdering him, framing the heroic Giganos pilot Meio Plato of the crime and seizing control of the Giganos empire. Dorchenov proceeds to brutalize the Earth, ordering as much death be brought to he planet as possible. When he loses the advantage, he orders his own men to initiate suicidal tactics and takes advantage of an attempted cease-fire to kill even more of Earth's forces, taking the hero Kaine's mother hostage to gain a greater advantage, admitting he cares nothing for the cause of Giganos as long as he can win in the end.
  • Phantom of Inferno: Scythe Master is the monstrous Big Bad in all of the adaptations:
    • Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom Anime: Dr. Helmut von Giuseppe, better known as Scythe Master, is a sociopathic neuroscientist who brainwashes people he sees potential in to becoming the perfect assassins. Kidnapping one such individual, Reiji Azuma, Scythe erases his memories, renaming him Zwei and having another of his assassins, Ein, whose memory he also wiped, train him before sending the duo off on countless missions to kill enemies of his organization, Inferno. When Reiji and Ein escape from his clutches, Scythe turns to Reiji's young friend, Cal, corrupting the young girl into hating Reiji and becoming his psychotic killer. Using Cal on many missions, Scythe even sends her after his own friend, who had sheltered him when he was framed for betraying Inferno. Deeming the three assassins prototypes, Scythe creates a new batch of emotionless killers and sends them after the trio, watching the combat with delight.
    • Phantom: The Animation OVA: Scythe Master is a greedy scientist willing to do anything to fund his depraved research. Creating assassins for the criminal syndicate Inferno, he has them carry out violent hits to prove their effectiveness. Deciding a rival of Inferno would better fund him, Scythe betrays Inferno, having his prized assassin kill everyone in his laboratory while fleeing. When Inferno hunts him down, Scythe has the two assassins he created, Ein and Zwei, fight each other while he activates bombs in the building, even with his own men still inside.
  • Wicked City: Mr. Shadow is the leader of the Black World terrorists. Launching a series of terrorist attacks to prevent the peace treaty between Black World and human world from going into effect and killing the signatory Giuseppe Mayart, Mr. Shadow even bombs a huge plane, with all lives on board being lost. When the Black World heroine protecting Mayart, his ex-lover Makie, is captured, Mr. Shadow proceeds to have her gang-raped and broadcasts it to the humans as a cold reminder of what happens to "traitors", before he intends to execute her personally. Finally, he attempts to have Makie and her human partner Taki killed, solely to spark off a war where he can see humanity subjugated to their "rightful" place.
  • Yona of the Dawn: Yang Kum-Ji, the main villain of the Awa arc, rules the titular Awa Port with an iron fist. He has his men terrorize and beat up people regardless whether or not they pay his high taxes for no reason other than to assert his power over them; one of these incidents got a child killed. He also runs a human trafficking ring where he lures women and children out of their homes and imprisons them in his ships, where he arranges for them to be sold as sex slaves for the Kai Kingdom. When Yona and Yun infiltrates one of his ships and set a signal flare for the pirates led by Gi-Gan to attack, Kum-Ji leaves his men at their mercy while he escapes on his own. When the Green Dragon Jae-Ha notices Kum-Ji attempting to flee, he tries to attack him, only for Kum-Ji uses one of his own men as a Human Shield before nearly killing Jae-Ha himself.
  • Batman: Thrillkiller, by Howard Chaykin & Dan Brereton note : Bianca Steeplechase is a ruthless gangster known as "The Joker". As a message to those trailing her activities, Bianca has Robin's family and informant Selina Kyle killed. When Batgirl and Robin confront her, Bianca kills Robin in front of Batgirl and mocks her about his death. After escaping, Bianca resurfaces as the wife of a mayoral candidate and works with former Nazi scientist, Otto Saunders, to produce a dangerous and highly addictive drug. Ultimately hoping to rule Gotham politically by using her husband, while she gets rich off a drug epidemic, Bianca is a power-hungry monster.
  • Batman/Daredevil: King of New York, by Alan Grant, Eduardo Barreto, et al.: In this Crossover, the Scarecrow has been running guns for The Kingpin, from Gotham City to New York, but has his own agenda in mind. He hires Catwoman to gather information on Kingpin, seeming making plans to usurp Kingpin's position as New York's reigning crime lord. Daredevil and Batman team up to stop one of Scarecrow's trucks that was supposed to be delivering guns, but find it is full of bombs instead, with Scarecrow intending to kill Batman and Daredevil, along with the men driving the van. Scarecrow arrives in New York and uses his fear gas to force some of Kingpin's men to work for him. Scarecrow then begins a reign of terror having his men shoot up a restaurant, blow up a jewelry store, set fire to a night club and murder people in gangland killings. However, Daredevil and Batman soon discover Scarecrow's real plan: From the Statue of Liberty, Scarecrow plans to spread his fear gas across New York, leading to untold death and suffering.
  • Sweet Tooth: Haggarty is a lone survivor of the plague who showed up at a dam where the self-sustaining community Project Evergreen was located. At first seeming kind and helpful, he waited until a large group left to scavenge and killed almost everyone who stayed behind. After killing the community's leader, he took the man's wife and daughter for his own and locked everyone else out to fend for themselves. When Jeppard's group arrives at the dam, Haggarty had taken on the identity of the friendly, handicapped Walter Fish. He convinces them that the remaining members of Project Evergreen are violent scavengers, leading to Jeppard's group killing some of them. When most of the men leave, Haggarty ties up everyone but the teenager Becky, telling her that whenever she disobeys him, he'll kill one of her friends. When the others manage to escape, Haggarty tries to kill them all.
  • One More Day Fix Fic Breaking the Deal: Mephisto, having manipulated Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson into sacrificing their marriage in order to save Aunt May's life, uses it to kickstart his plans for multiversal domination. Using the marriage's sacrifice to receive a power boost—with the added benefit of wiping Spider-Man's future daughter from existence—Mephisto begins laying waste to various dimensions and either slaughtering their inhabitants, or enslaving them with painful magical growths. When he makes his move on the Earth, he unleashes his demonic minions on New York City, where they waste no time in killing civilians while he has Mary Jane whisked away to his lair, where he keeps her as a slave bound by barbed ropes. Not just one for merely deceiving others into making deals that will ruin their lives and those of others, Mephisto actively revels in his manipulative behavior, fondly reminiscing about tricking Ghost Rider into making a deal that would kill his father figure, and gleefully crushing Mary Jane's spirit with the knowledge of what their disastrous bargain led to.
  • Better Watch Out: Luke Lerner is a sociopathic pre-teen who wants to seduce his babysitter. He stages a home invasion with his friend to impress her, and when she finds out it was faked, Luke ties her up, sexually assaults her in a game of truth or dare, and calls her boyfriend to come over. When he does, he knocks him out and ties him up, and proceeds to torment the two of them before calling her ex. He hits the boyfriend in the face with a paint can from the balcony, causing his head to explode, much to Luke's sick glee. The ex arrives, and Luke goads him into writing an apology to the babysitter before lynching him with the rope on the swing. Luke murders his friend/accomplice for trying to free the babysitter before stabbing her in the neck and framing the ex for his crimes. Upon discovering that the babysitter is still alive, he asks his mother if they can visit her in the hospital, with the obvious intention of finishing her off.
  • DC Extended Universe:
    • Wonder Woman (2017): General Erich Ludendorff demonstrates that even in a world of gods and monsters, some humans can be the most evil beings around. A ruthless German general in World War I who believes in continuing the war, Ludendorff executes a man simply for complaining supplies are low and encourages the inhumane research of Isabelle "Dr. Poison" Maru, testing her gas on live subjects. When he encounters his high command who wish to sign an armistice, Ludendorff gasses them as well, but throws in a single gas mask, well aware it will do nothing to stop the gas. Ludendorff later tests the gas on a civilian village, and when he engages Diana herself in a battle to the death, he is in the process of having the gas loaded into a plane to subject all of London to a horrible death.
    • Justice League (2017): Steppenwolf, military commander of Apokolips, had burned countless worlds when he came to Earth, killing millions and raising them as monstrous Parademons, before he tasted defeat. Returning thousands of years later, Steppenwolf seeks to recover the lost Mother Boxes to enact his plan of wiping out life on Earth to turn it into a blasted hellscape like his own homeworld, hoping to offer earth to his master Darkseid and end his exile. Massacring the Amazon warriors guarding their Mother Box and later doing the same to the Atlanteans, Steppenwolf captures humans who may know of the third Mother Box, killing them when they don't have the info he wants and preparing to torture another until he talks. When the newly formed Justice League moves to stop him, Steppenwolf puts his plan into motion and unleashes his forces on civilians, intending to annihilate all life on Earth to erase the memory of his past failure.
  • Frontier(s): Karl von Gleiser, Sr. is a former Nazi who acquired an inn after fleeing to France. He then started killing his guests and eating their flesh, hanging them on meat hooks while still alive to maintain freshness. Raping any women he captured, Karl Sr. ended up fathering five children who assisted him in his crimes. Karl Sr. took a liking to a young girl whose parents he killed, and made her his sex slave, ordering the infants produced killed when they were born deformed. When a group of bank robbers end up in their hostel, Karl Sr. decides that a female member should become the bride of Karl Jr., cutting the Achilles' tendons of a fellow robber who assisted in her escape. After finally capturing the girl, he used his wedding speech to emotionally abuse all of his kids except for the ones who are particularly competent goons.
  • The Girl in the Photographs (2015): Tom and Gerry are a pair of Serial Killers obsessed with photographing the bodies of their victims. Having already butchered six girls, the duo capture and kill another at her home, posting a picture of her mutilated body in Colleen's workplace for her to find. After kidnapping another girl, Tom cruelly tries to feed her cat food before Gerry kills her. After murdering Colleen's ex-boyfriend, the duo reveal their lustful obsession with Colleen. Breaking into the home she's staying at, they slaughter everyone else, before taking pictures of Colleen posed amongst the corpses, leaving a copy at another girl's workplace, implying they will target her next.
  • Switchback (1997): Bob Goodall, despite hiding under a folksy charm, is a vicious murderer, responsible for at least eighteen deaths by the start of the film. Kidnapping the son of FBI Agent Frank LaCrosse, Bob sees LaCrosse hunting for him as a thrilling chase. Befriending unwitting innocents, Bob kills them, making it look like a suicide, to hide his own string of murders. Killing multiple old friends of his the second they accidentally become a liability towards his murder spree, Bob is a psychopath who finds taking life a blissful act.
  • N-Daguva-Zeba is the lord of the Gurongi and the Ur-CM of the Heisei era. A sadistic Blood Knight who absolutely despises the lowly and weak, Daguva doesn’t care about any human or Gurongi lives, and is willing to use any means necessary to make humanity as violent and hateful as he. Upon being reawaked from Kuuga’s sarcophagus, he releases the 200 Gurongi and murders the archaeologists, thereby kicking off the series. After his escape, he restarts the Gegeru (which involves the Gurongi hunting humans as part of a game) and kills 152 of his own kind in Nagano. He then reveals himself to the public by killing Zu-Gooma-Gu for using his armor before resurfacing under the guise of a white-suited teenager with an aura as he unleashes heavy rain in Japan. After Yusuke Godai (Kamen Rider Kuuga) defeats Gadoru, Daguva ambushes Kuuga, mercilessly beats him up, and incinerates numerous people in his wake as he leaves Yusuke behind. After continuing his systematic genocide and attempting to bring about the "Ultimate Darkness" to turn humans just as violent and twisted as he is,he meets Yusuke in Mount Kuro where they have their final fight. There, Daguva finally dies, laughing to the very end hoping that Yusuke would be corrupted by violent hatred.
  • Redyue is the only female member of the Overlord Inves. As a vile, selfish, and Manipulative Bitch, she corrupts Mitsuzane Kureshima into becoming her puppet and uses him to obtain human subjects for a machine that would revive the dead. She aggravates the humans into launching missiles, thereby forcing her superior Roshuo to redirect the missiles to America and to declare war against humanity. She is also not above Mind Rape, as seen when she tries to mentally break Kouta Kazuraba by portraying him in a hallucination as an Inves being attacked by his former mentor Yuya. Moreover, Redyue has a sickening obsession over backstabbing and killing those close to her, as seen when she ruthlessly kills Roshuo after the latter defeats Kouta and Kaito Kumon. While the rest of her fellow Overlords, except for Roshuo, were definitely evil themselves, Redyue stands out for her willingness to use any means necessary to play mind games with, and to commit genocide against, humanity, simply For the Evulz.
  • CHERUB Series: While many villains in the series have loved ones and/or are well-intentioned, these Big Bads are neither:
    • The Sleepwalker: Hassam Bin Hassam solely motivated by greed, sells shoddy and faulty parts to airlines, which results in the deaths of nearly 350 people from a large plane crash, something for which he had absolutely zero remorse. He would regularly beat his wife, son, and housekeeper. He abused his son for enjoying Western culture, despite enjoying it himself, and kills his own wife when confronted about his plan to cover up his involvement in the plane crash. When he finds bugs in his house, he brutally waterboards his housekeeper in the toilet and shoots her in the thigh so she can not get help. When cornered, Hassam holds his own son hostage at knife-point and threatens to kill him if he is not allowed to go free.
    • Brigands M.C: Ralph "The Führer" Donnington is a Neo-Nazi in charge of the South Devon Chapter of the titular biker gang. He is introduced trying to assault and possibly kill his son Martin for spitting on a member's patch, only stopping when the member appeases him by having Martin fight the much more skilled Dante Scott. The Führer later threatens to kill Dante's father when he disagrees with his plans to have the clubhouse torn down for new facilities. When Dante's parents kill one of his thugs, he retaliates by killing them and their two older children, and the younger two only live when Dante escapes though the window with the baby, accidentally injuring said baby in the process. To eliminate Dante as a witness he sends a gang member to try to bomb the foster home that Dante was staying at. When the Führer finds an undercover cop in his group he takes him to a field to execute him, until the cop tells him that he doesn't want a murder of a officer on his hands. When protagonist James Adams gets a job as a server for the clubhouse, the Führer threatens to kill him for delivering tepid food as a sick joke, and admits he does this with every new server.
    • Aramov series: Leonid Aramov is a member of an international crime clan that coordinates deals between cartels and criminal organizations, and plans to usurp leadership from his mother Irena. In his introduction in People's Republic, he forces family member Ingrid to transfer her accounts to him by torturing her stepdaughter Ning in front of her, then killing Ingrid; sends hitmen after his nephew Ethan to remove competition for leadership, with said hitmen killing Ethan's mother Galenka and his friend Yannis. In Guardian Angel, Leonid kidnaps Ethan as a bargaining chip to get the Aramov accounts under his control; suggests cutting out Ethan's lower jaw and sending it to Irena as proof; takes him to a poacher's ranch where he is mistreated; and tries to overdose Irena on painkillers to take complete control of the clan. After being exiled from the clan in Black Friday, Leonid moved to Mexico planning to sell weapons to the local cartels, and has his informant in the clan try to kill the current leader, his brother Josef. In addition, Leonid was also a brutal domestic abuser who regularly beat, raped, and mentally tortured his prospective wife Tamara, and threatened to kill their children should she try to leave him. Leonid ultimately had little to no regard for his family, and only cared about being in control of it.
  • Dean Koontz's Frankenstein: Dr. Victor Frankenstein himself (now known as Victor Helios), the Big Bad of the first trilogy, is a chillingly evil mad scientist obsessed with creating a new "Master Race" to replace humanity. Having abused and abandoned his first creation Deucalion, Frankenstein creates new and improved models that see him as their father and their God, also creating wives for himself only to inevitably grow bored with them or enraged at a minor defect before murdering and replacing them. Indulging in pointless cruelties, such as eating baby mice he boils alive just to experience the height of sensation, Frankenstein plots to wipe out all normal human beings and replace them with his own "improved" race to reign over them as a god forever.
  • Gentleman Bastard series: The Falconer of Karthain became the leader of the magical supremacist wing of the Order of the Bondsmagi to spite his mother, and is the worst person that even that faction has to offer. A petty sadist who sees himself as part of a Superior Species, Falconer persuades the rest of the Bondsmagi to accept Capa Raza's black contract, then offers to carry out the contract himself, murdering seven of Capa Barsavi's garristas, his daughter Nazca, and finally Barsavi himself for Raza, and torturing Locke Lamora into assisting with Raza's plot. Following Barsavi's death, Falconer murders Locke's friends Calo and Galdo, and his apprentice, Bug, and hypnotizes Dona Vorchenza into allowing statues full of Wraithstone to placed at Duke Nicovante's ball, all as part of Capa Raza's plot to "gentle" the nobility of Camorr. Captured and crippled by Locke and Jean after his final attempt at murdering them goes awry, Falconer survives, and makes a comeback, murdering the nurse-attendant who had kept him alive, and then having his mother, Archedama Patience, eaten alive by crows.
  • Griffin Ranger: Deverall is the Evilutionary Biologist commissioned by the Big Bad Duumvirate of Whitehead and Russell to create and release a genocidal plague to kill Whitehead's arch-enemies, the griffins, and their Servant Race, the hanz. To facilitate this, Whitehead kidnapped and sent over to his lab members of 5 of the 6 sentient races, including his own. The griffins, especially, were subject to Cold-Blooded Torture: They were forced to rape one another to produce eggs to incubate the virus, and those that were too young, insane, or infertile were black-tagged and repeatedly infected with strains of the plague until they died. When ordered by Whitehead to terminate the griffins, he instead keeps half alive to use in his own private zoo—and puts the other half to death offscreen with his plague, including Aera's "adopted" griffin child Voll. In the end, Vaniss's War Flock busts in, frees the last five survivors, and incapacitates Deverall (with a Heroic Sacrifice of one of the captives), but they are unable to rescue the black-tags in time. She brings the building down on both Deverall and the black-tags with explosives, destroying the plague, but none of the last survivors leave that chamber of horrors without lifelong scars.
  • The Red Queen's War: Edris Dean is a servant of The Lady Blue and masterminds a series of cruel attacks to create the "Unborn", murdering pregnant women to damn the souls of their unborn children to hell, where they will become powerful undead beings to be unleashed on the world, the fate that befalls the wife and unborn baby of the Viking hero Snorri. It is also revealed that when the hero Jalan was young, Edris Dean nearly killed him and murdered his pregnant mother to turn his unborn sister into the strongest Unborn ever seen. Torturing and murdering a friend of Jalan's to obtain the Liar's Key that can help reshape the world, Edris later enslaves the soul of Jalan's sister to get her to kill her brother to help tear a hole through reality which could kill countless people in the cities. Ostensibly on board with the Lady Blue's plan to usher in the apocalypse to become gods, Edris Dean murders the men she assigned to him to turn them into undead slaves, trying to kill Jalan to hijack the plan and become the new god of all creation.
  • Bitten:
    • Malcolm Danvers is a vicious and power-hungry werewolf and Jeremy's father, who despised and wanted to kill his son his whole life, even fighting him for the title of alpha. When Jeremy became alpha, Malcolm left the pack rather than be ruled by his son, and reemerged, after being believed dead, as the orchestrator behind the mutt uprising; entailing using Daniel Santos, Zachary Cain and Henry Marsten into recruiting psychopaths, killers and rapists in a bid to destroy his son's pack, resulting in the murders of several innocent people and Jeremy's pack members Peter and Antonio. Malcolm also stalks Elena and has her former pedophile stalker Victor Olson turned and has him show up at an art gallery to torment her. After the battle between the mutts and the pack ends with all the mutts being killed, Malcolm shows no regard nor care for their deaths, letting them kill Santos. Malcolm confronts Jeremy about his true intentions on continuing this war, taking Elena Michaels for himself; kidnaps Logan's pregnant girlfriend Rachel; and leaves the decapitated head of Elena's boyfriend Phillip for her to find. He claims his reasoning for the latter is to punish Elena for wanting to have a human life, going as far as to tell her that she should be grateful. Finding himself stalked by Aliester, Malcolm goes on the run, leaving his followers to die, and killing a kind old man who gave him a ride, alternating between begging the pack for help, when he's not busy antagonizing them. It's revealed that he tried to kill Clayton as a child, turning Clayton into a werewolf in the first place, and killed Clayton's mother that same night, resulting in his father committing suicide.
    • Thomas LeBlanc is a deranged misogynistic Serial Killer and Serial Rapist, who kept a scrapbook of his previous exploits complete with parts of his victims. When recruited into the mutts, he takes part in an ambush in which he stabs Jeremy with a poisoned blade that nearly kills him before Elena breaks LeBlanc's wrist while interrogating him for the antidote. Forming a petty vendetta towards Elena, LeBlanc attempts to murder her, managing to shoot and wound her while playing a cat and mouse game and callously killing a woman he mistook for Elena. Later when Amber demands to be turned into a werewolf, LeBlanc bites her and watches with amusement as she goes through a slow and painful botched transformation; while seemingly kills her, it's later revealed she's reduced to a vegetative state Later he has fun chasing down and trying to kill Logan's pregnant girlfriend, and when the time comes to attack Stonehaven, defies orders to keep Elena alive, intending her to be the first in a new scrapbook he's planning. A deviant who admits to having no morals, openly disdains and disrespects even his own allies, his habits and attitude crosses enough lines that one of his bosses, Henry Marsten decides to help Elena kill him when he's decides that he's had enough of LeBlanc.
    • Clara Sullivan was once a rebellious young witch, described as a smug and spiteful woman whose descent into wickedness was considered inevitable. While she had a moment of humanity in her past where she delivered and rescued a new born baby from death, despite knowing the prophecies as a child growing up to be the Destroyer, she would later use this act later in life for more nefarious purpose. Having her magic stripped away as punishment for using it to kill people, Clara would later track this child Alister down and reveal his destiny to him, planning to bring about the Undoing— an event that would kill every witch on the planet— in the name of personal revenge. With Clara acting as Alister's corrupter, hidden partner and mentor, Alister embraces his destiny, resulting in Alister gaining a cult and army of his own, entailing mass murder, torture, experimentation and brainwashing on numerous people at his hands. Clara has Alister seduce women to find a body for Clara to possess, an act which, if not destroying the souls of the victims, traps them in their own subconscious. Clara wants the body of 12-year-old Savannah in order to survive the Undoing as a conduit and take Savannah's powers for her own. When the time of the Undoing comes and an attempt to kill Alister starts to prevent it, Clara and Alister track down his mother Ruth, with Clara goading him on to kill her, and when Savannah breaks free and tries to escape, Clara chases her down, gloating to her how she'll use her powers to cause havoc and promising to kill Savannah's friends in the pack.
    • Roman Navikev is the ruthless and supremely influential alpha of the Russian werewolves and later revealed to be Elena Michael's biological grandfather. Originally seen as a arrogant if reasonable member of the alphas council, it's later shown he runs his pack like the mob, using intimidation and bribery, and is violently abusive and indifferent to his son Konstantine. It's quickly revealed that he murdered his daughter Natalya after discovering her relationship with Sasha Antonov, at which point he swears a blood feud that lasts for decades, promising to kill anyone with Sasha's blood. Having discovered the existence of witches, he calls on witch hunts in Russia to add to his pack's power, and kill those who won't join. It's there he learns of Sasha's whereabouts, and his connection to Elena. After a parlay meeting goes awry, Roman attempts to kill Sasha on the spot, stabbing former Sheriff Karen just for being at the wrong place and starts a war with Jeremy's pack. Despite claiming to care about his daughter and seeming remorseful for her death, he not only refuses to accept responsibility, adamantly blaming Sasha and reacting with anger when called out, Roman never actually had a relationship with Natalya her entire life, only meeting her when he killed her. Roman, despite his seeming zeal for pack law, sets loose the Albino twins in his stead, leading to multiple unnecessary innocent deaths, culminating in Katya's murder. When Jeremy is captured, Roman plans on framing Jeremy for a coup to justify killing him, forcing him to watch as Elena and Sasha are both tortured; despite promising to let them go, he orders Elena's torture to continue in an attempt to force Sasha to kill her. With his callousness, pride and sense of entitlement proving costly to both packs, Konstantine is quick to help bring about his downfall and death to put a stop to him.
  • Frontier: Lord Benton is the governor of the Hudson Bay Company and seeks to dominate the fur trade. To this end, he arrests his predecessor on trumped-up charges and has him murdered before ruling the local town like a tyrant, antagonizing the local Cree peoples. Benton initiates a string of murders and torture to set the Lakewalker Cree against the French-Canadians in a war to wipe out or weaken them so he can take control of the trade. Upon capturing his arch-nemesis Declan Harp, whose wife and daughter he tortured and killed, Benton tortures him, mocking him the whole while before attempting to have him executed. When his own superiors send soldiers to deal with him, Benton sequesters and attempts to starve them to death, showing his only allegiances are to his own ambition.
  • Hassel-Utpressarna ("Blackmailers") (1992 Swedish Made-for-TV Movie): Jeff Dureya, after being fired from his job as an FBI Agent because of mob connections, decided to become a criminal. Dureya sets a bomb inside of a life vest, and sending a letter to a man named Nils, ordering him to send roughly 355,000 dollars, or else he'll not only blow up a plane, but also kill his wife. Nils cannot afford that much money, so Dureya does what he said he was going to do. He manages to track down Nils and his wife Maria, shooting Maria while Nils was swimming, and blowing the plane up at the same time. Dureya's next victim is a wealthy family living in a big house. He takes advantage of the fact that their neighbors currently aren't home, and sneaks into the house while aiming through the window. Roland Hassel comes to stop Dureya, but Dureya hits Roland in the head with his gun, temporarily paralyzing him. Dureya proceeds to shoot through the window, and successfully kills two family members. His final victim is a man named Jan Calmers, who he threatens to kill his wife and destroy the plant that he works at if he won't pay him 1,1 million dollars. Despite Calmers's paying him this, Dureya had already prepared to do these things. He puts a smaller explosive inside of his wife's lighter, and lets the person he is working for blow up Calmers's plant. Once he collects his 1,1 million, the police notices that the briefcase is identical to Calmers's. Dureya proceeds to walk into his car and calls the person he is working for, basically saying that the mission is complete.
  • The Strain (TV series):
    • The Master is the youngest of the Ancient vampires with a legacy of death going back millennia. Killing and feeding at his whim, The Master ends up in New York after stowing away aboard a plane, killing and turning everyone on board before sending the newly-made vampires after their own loved ones to spread his new strain. In the past, the Master also used concentration camps as a feeding ground, and when the carpenter Abraham Setrakian tried to kill him, the Master broke his hands to leave him to suffer and die now that he would be useless to the Nazis. Using his vampires to kill and convert countless innocents in New York, the Master directs a number of blind children to be turned by his right-hand man Thomas Eichhorst to serve as "hunters" before attempting to overwhelm entire neighborhoods with his armies. When his ally Eldritch Palmer annoys the Master, the Master kills his lover Coco just to prove a point. Finally having his "brothers" killed, the Master and Eichhorst attempt to use a nuke to blot out the sun to allow the vampires to completely overwhelm New York. After taking over New York, the Master slowly slips further into madness and fury and in an attempt to get to Ephraim and the others, decides to end his "facade of cooperation", unleashing his strigoi to kill the entire human population "borough by borough" until he has found his enemies.
    • Thomas Eichhorst is a former Nazi-turned-vampire who acts as the right-hand man of the Master. Even prior to his transformation, Eichhorst was a despicable human being who declined to help a Jewish, former co-worker he had a crush on, and instead lied to his superiors about her being a thief and allowed her and her family to be hanged. During the war, Eichhorst offered Russian POWs a special assignment in exchange for better living conditions, but neglected to tell them that their new job was executing Jewish prisoners too old or infirm to work. When one POW, Fetrovsky, performs the execution only after Eichhorst threatened his and his friend's lives, Eichhorst murders Fetrovsky's friend anyway as punishment for hesitating. Eichhorst was eventually made the commandant of a concentration camp, and at some point became aligned with the Master. In order to find a carpenter to craft his master's coffin, Eichhorst threatened to kill a workhouse full of prisoners unless the one who carved a Jewish Talisman he found stepped forward. Unlike the animalistic vampires that make up the Master's army, Eichhorst retains his mind and his sense of sadism, which he displays through actions like vampirizing Setrakian's wife to force Setrakian to kill her, and attempting to rape/eat Dutch with his stinger. In addition to setting nukes and vampirizing blind children for the Master, Eichhorst also oversees the creation of slaughterhouses to drain humans of blood as efficiently as possible. When one of his employees doesn't see the difference in using a dummy to test the system instead of a live person, Eichhorst illustrates his point by impaling another employee on a meat hook, then timing it as he's subjected to the draining process. A fanatic who aspires to greatness through serving the Master, Eichhorst is instrumental in helping bring about the vampire apocalypse.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy (2015):
    • The Mad Titan Thanos is one of the Big Bads of season 1 and a truly depraved monster. Thanos is first and foremost an absolutely dreadful parent to his "children", torturously experimenting on a young girl named Gamora to turn her into his brainwashed weapon after butchering her entire race and using her and his other "children”, Nebula and Korath, to commit various atrocities across the cosmos, always subjecting them to horrific punishments should they fail him. Searching for the Cosmic Seed, an artifact of immense power, Thanos goes to any lengths to obtain it, leading assaults onto entire planets in his quest for the Seed. With a prideful nature matching his power, Thanos orders an entire space station annihilated just to prove his might, and is willing to kill his own soldiers in attempts on his enemies' lives. After torturing Peter Quill both physically and mentally for the location of the Cosmic Seed, Thanos arrives on Earth to steal the Seed, and immediately begins terraforming the planet with it, planning to use the Earth as a weapon to travel across the universe and destroy everything in his path as a show of his newfound power. Flashbacks only add to his evil, as Thanos is revealed to have captured the entire race of the Klyntar, wiped out their former host species, then experimented on them for years to drive them into insanity, hoping to use them to enslave worlds at a time to his will. Egomaniacal and psychopathic, Thanos is easily one of the worst villains any Marvel animated series has to offer.
    • Ronan the Accuser is a former Accuser for the Kree Empire, the other Big Bad of the first season, and is just as vile as the aforementioned Thanos. First appearing in the Origins shorts, Ronan commits genocide against the entire Groot race and runs vicious Gladiator Games and slave camps. Returning from the grave thanks to his Dragon, Nebula, Ronan shows no appreciation or loyalty to her, regularly abusing her and even seemingly killing her when she outlives her usefulness. Attempting to destroy the entire planet of Xandar as his first crime when revived, Ronan later tries to force Black Bolt, a powerful Inhuman, to destroy his entire race due to Ronan's believing them to be filthy abominations, and follows this up by attempting to incite a war by killing hundreds of his own people, then framing the planet Spartax for it. Refusing to take blame for his crimes at all turns, Ronan tries to force Gamora, his former personal assassin, to accept the guilt from crimes she committed on his orders, including genocide, murder, and mutilation. After acquiring the Cosmic Seed, Ronan proclaims his plans to "cleanse" the universe of all those who he deems disgusting and unworthy of living, and, when Thanos steals the Seed from him, Ronan tries to blow up Thanos, the Guardians, and the entire Earth to wipe out all his enemies in one fell swoop. A genocidal maniac obsessed with forcing his personal view of "justice" onto the entire universe, Ronan the Accuser stood out as a disturbingly dark and wicked villain for this relatively optimistic and lighthearted series.
    • J'son of Spartax is a self-serving sociopath who starts out as an Arc Villain before graduating to the Big Bad of season 2. In his youth, J'son stole the Cosmic Seed from the realm of Asgard, hoping to kickstart a war between his homeworld Spartax and Asgard. When this failed, J'son set himself up as Emperor of Spartax, and turned the planet into a brutal dictatorship, subjecting any protesters against his rule to brutal torture and Mind Rape to make them his slaves. After allying with Thanos to wipe out Asgard, uncaring of Thanos's omnicidal goals, J'son is locked away until returning in the second season. There, he uses his brainwashed cult, the Universal Believers, to commit various crimes, having zero problem killing them should they fail him, and uses the young hero Nova's mother and sister as hostages in a quest for power. In his worst scheme, J'son takes control of the body of Adam Warlock, becoming the Magus and proclaiming his plans to rewrite reality until all worship him as a god, which he kicks off by attempting to wipe out every planet and loved one of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Both times J'son is beaten, he attempts to take hundreds of innocents down with him out of spite. J'son is also a monstrous father to his children Peter Quill and Victoria, subjecting the former to a childhood of brutal training and ultimately attempting to brutally murder him, and attempting to vaporize the latter when she turns on him. Though claiming his "vision" for the universe to be one of peace, J'son truly only wants total power and glory over all life.
  • The Punisher (2017): Agent Orange, real name William J. "Bill" Rawlins III, is a sadistic CIA agent who was the mastermind of Operation Cerberus in Afghanistan, sending special forces to torture and kill targets. In reality, Rawlins used it to his own benefit, and when an honest Afghan officer named Zubair learned the truth, Rawlins framed him, abducted, tortured and murdered him while continuing to enrich himself via heroin smuggling. Upon receiving accolades and a potential promotion to Deputy CIA Director, Rawlins sought to close loose ends by having the remaining Cerberus squad members murdered while also planning the mass shootout that killed Frank Castle's family, alongside many other innocents. When he learns that David "Micro" Lieberman, who knew of Zubair's murder, had faked his death, Rawlins kidnaps and tries to murder Micro's wife and children along with him to tie up the end. Upon capturing Castle, Rawlins, his career in tatters, attempts to brutally torture him to death, ranting that Castle, and even Rawlins's own subordinate, Russo, are just "grunts" who exist to serve men like him. A sadist with a god complex, Rawlins stops at nothing to always come out on top and destroy those he can.
  • Hades Izanami, despite the circumstances of her existence, is still her own individual and yearns for a world of death. As Imperator Librarius, she uses her authority to help conspire with Terumi and Relius to destroy Amatersu and bring about Doomsday. In Chronophantasma, Izanami exploited her part of Saya’s soul to beckon Ragna to her side for psychological effect; placed Tsubaki under the effects of Ruby: Mind Eater and forced her to fight Jin, Noel, and Makoto during their attempts to rescue her, including using the Izayoi's Immortal Breaker to inflict overkill on Jin; and compelled Ragna to enter a Black Beast-like state and go berserk, resulting in him critically injuring Jin. In Central Fiction, after Nine seemingly incapacitates her, Izanami appears to inform everyone she plots to bring about untold annihilation within a massive radius. When Ragna and Noel confront her, Izanami tries to tempt Ragna into killing Noel to gain the True Azure and, when that fails, abandons her "dream" to kill him directly. In a last-ditch move to defeat the Goddess of Death, Noel (as Mu-12) tries to assimilate Izanami's soul into her own, but she reverses the process to try and end Noel’s existence instead. A sinister god who’ll dispose of anyone in her quest to kill the Master Unit and destroy everything, Hades Izanami would have brought complete and total nothingness to the universe of BlazBlue if not stopped.
  • Nightmare House: Doctor George Romero conducted experiments on mind control, hallucinations and resurrecting the dead through his creation, the Core. Though seemingly Happily Married to his wife, Emily, who was opposed to his experiments, Doctor Romero used her as a test subject in his experiments, causing her to commit suicide. His attempts to revive her only brought back her vengeful spirit, leading to Romero hiding in Never Lose Hope Hospital, where he continued work on the Core, keeping Emily at bay. When the Patient arrived, Romero, paranoid that Emily had found him, decided to activate the Core, resulting in the deaths of the entire hospital, turning them into zombies. Despite the fact he didn't mean to kill them, he refuses to accept responsibility for their deaths and tries to justify it as self-defense. Eventually, he decided to kill the Patient but was driven off by Emily. Instead, he woke the Patient up from their coma to use them as a test subject, presenting himself as a guide trying to help them escape. When a SWAT team arrives to kill him, Romero convinces the Patient to destroy the radio station, allowing him to Mind Rape and sadistically kill the SWAT team. Once the last SWAT member reveals his true nature to the Patient, Romero offers them a chance to leave the hospital, knowing that Emily will kill the Patient if they do so. When the Patient arrives and tries to destroy the Core, Romero childishly taunts and mocks them as they fight for their life, finding their struggle amusing. Responsible for the deaths of hundreds, Romero was, in the end, obsessed with his research into controlling the human mind and willing to go to any extremes to save his own skin and cover up what he had done.
  • The Day I Lost My Faith: The Stranger is a mysterious man of ambiguous human origin with an apparent vendetta against God and a sadistic streak a mile wide. Appearing in a small town church during a Sunday mass, the stranger begins provocatively speaking out against God and religion. When one couple gets up to leave in disgust, the stranger causes the husband to begin convulsing. He then places a hand on the man's forehead and causes the back of his skull to blow out. After exposing the town pharmacist for having an affair with his young employee, he causes the girl to convulse so severely that her bones break before painfully killing her by conjuring snakes inside her body; these snakes later kill the church's pastor. He forces an unwilling man to strangle his own son to death, and kills the man's wife by telekinetically throwing her against the wall when she tries to intervene. The father is left alive to suffer with what he has done. Though he attempts to make the point that God Is Evil, the stranger takes a generous amount of pleasure in his actions, doing everything with laughter and a smile on his face, and committing his atrocities with a theatrical flair evidently for his own amusement. While it is ultimately left ambiguous whether or not he is in fact The Devil himself, his "debate" undoubtedly leaves the surviving churchgoers with irreparable mental scars and shatters the narrator's faith in God.
  • Phantom of Inferno: Dr. Helmut von Giuseppe, better known as Scythe Master, is a sociopathic neuroscientist who brainwashes people he sees potential in to becoming the perfect assassins. Kidnapping one such individual, Reiji Azuma, Scythe erases his memories, renaming him Zwei and having another of his assassins, Ein, whose memory he also wiped, train him before sending the duo off on countless missions to kill enemies of his organization, Inferno. When Reiji and Ein escape from his clutches, Scythe turns to Reiji's young friend, Cal, corrupting the young girl into hating Reiji and becoming his psychotic killer. Using Cal on many missions, Scythe even sends her after his own friend, who had sheltered him when he was framed for betraying Inferno. Deeming the three assassins prototypes, Scythe creates a new batch of emotionless killers and sends them after the trio, watching the combat with delight.

edited 13th Dec '17 4:11:40 AM by ACW

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#102315: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:59:22 AM

@ACW: Ehhh, does it need to be mentioned that Breaking the Deal is a Fix Fic?

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
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#102317: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:15:13 AM

Slight spelling error in Le Blanc's entry. I have never heard of a car and mouse game before.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#102318: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:31:50 AM

[tup] Scarecrow

ACW, in Karl Sr's write-up, can you add a Paedo Hunt pothole somewhere to indicate that the little girl he enslaved was a kid at the time?

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#102319: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:33:24 AM

Sure, I'll [tup] this Scarecrow.

He doesn't count in the Nolan films, by the way, by virtue of just not being bad enough. He's a drug dealer who aspires to little more than common criminality. Compared to Ra's Al Ghul, The Joker, Bane etc. he just... you know. He just doesn't.

Love him and his pretty eyes though.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#102320: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:37:14 AM

[tup] Scarecrow

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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#102321: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:46:35 AM

[tup] To Engus, Joker, Scarecrow, Croatoan, and Judge Death.

Sorry, I just taking some time off from this thread, I likely won't be as active I was before, but I will still pop in, now and again.

I think I have another version of Scarecrow who can count, this one from a Daredevil Batman crossover called King of New York:

Who is the Scarecrow? What has he done?

We know who the Scarecrow is, let's get to what he does. Scarecrow is in Gotham secretly running guns to NYC for the Kingpin, but he has also hired Catwoman to gather info about Fisk's operations for him.

Daredevil comes to Gotham to investigate the gun running. Batman and Daredevil compare notes and quickly determine Scarecrow is behind this. They try to stop one of his gun shipments, but find a series scarecrow dolls with bombs in the van they pulled over, with Scarecrow planning to kill Batman and DD, as well as his own men. They all survive, but in NYC, Kingpin's goons receive another gun shipment, only to find Scarecrow there as well. Scarecrow uses his fear gas to bully Kingpin's goons into working for him, for free, one goon defies him and Scarecrow orders the others to shoot him.

Scarecrow then begins a gang war against Kingpin, but also wars against random people in NYC. Scarecrow's men kill 3 people shooting up a restaurant., blow up a jewelry store on 5th Avenue, set fire to a night club and kill 5 people on the docks in a gangland killing. DD thinks Scarecrow is trying to take over the NYC mobs, but Batman thinks he has more sinister plans.

Kingpin is pretty pissed at Scarecrow's brazen moves against him and Batman and DD go to him see if he knows where Scarecrow is, Kingpin feigns ignorance, but escapes in a helicopter, trying to kill Batman and DD along the way. Kingpin is flying to the Statue of Liberty, with Batman and DD tailing him. Scarecrow has several canisters of fear gas at the statue, planning to release them on the city, causing untold death and suffering in the process, with Scarecrow saying NYC will suffer like no city since Sodom and Gomorrah.

With Kingpin's helicopter approaching, Scarecrow wonders if its friend or foe, but then says it does not matter and tries to shoot it down. Kingpin survives, Kingpin fights Batman, DD fights Scarecrow, both heroes win, Scarecrow is arrested, but as usual there is not enough evidence to convict Kingpin of anything.

Is he heinous by the standards of the story?

I think so, he is way worst then Kingpin here, who is trying to stop Scarecrow.

There was another DD/Batman crossover that features Mr. Hyde and Two-Face going on a killing spree. Two-Face and Hyde kill two people brutally, then try to kill almost everyone at a internet cafe. Hyde tries to a rape a woman at the cafe, Two-Face is about to open fire on a crowd, but Two-Face has been giving Hyde pills that give him a high and make him feel more powerful, but these pills are designed to create an organic computer in Hyde's brain, killing Hyde is the process. Two-Face is essentially doing to this killing spree with Hyde because stress and excitement help grow the computer faster and Hyde is just doing it for kicks.

This story has Matt and Harvey going to law school together, so DD is able to talk Two-Face down and make him surrender, so he is not a monster. Hyde is pretty vile, all those crimes I mentioned, not to mention he sees a picture of his victims kids and says he might "visit them" some day, but I wonder if a computer growing in his brain is affecting his moral agency, regardless, Scarecrow is easily the worst villain of the bunch, with a body count of dozens and attempting to destroy NYC.

Any Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

Nah.

Catwoman demands double the money at one point for the info she gathered and Scarecrow agrees, saying money is irrelevant compared to fear, this more about Scarecrow not caring about money then him doing a favor for Catwoman.

Batman says Scarecrow is insane, but I disagree, Scarecrow is just a fear obsessed sadist, as usual.

Scarecrow also cares nothing for his men, willing to kill them at the drop of a hat to further his plans.

Final Verdict?

Another Scarecrow to keep.

edited 10th Dec '17 10:55:28 AM by Overlord

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#102322: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:47:35 AM

Well crap that was the other villain Scraggle was going to propose. When we said we were handling Batman crossovers...didn't think someone would swoop in and grab up one of them...

edited 10th Dec '17 10:48:39 AM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#102323: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:47:50 AM

Another yes for Jonathan "Scarecrow" Crane.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#102324: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:50:35 AM

[up][up] Sorry about that, I have not been on this thread for a while. My bad. I feel bad. I can take out if you want.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#102325: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:52:13 AM

I mean...you'll have to take that up with Scraggle.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!

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