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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Voyd211 (Edited uphill both ways)
#100551: Nov 22nd 2017 at 4:50:26 PM

I'll abstain on the Traitor. I've never played that series (or, for that matter, ANY tabletop RPG besides Pathfinder), so I can't speak on that front.

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Dr. Zeppo
#100552: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:04:36 PM

Has anything been said yet about Ernesto de la Cruz from the movie Coco?

The answer to life and everything is in this place As are the numbers most favored by Two Face
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#100553: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:06:19 PM

[up]That film cannot be discussed until two weeks from now to avoid spoilers.

edited 22nd Nov '17 5:06:56 PM by Clown-Face

Why so serious?
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#100554: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:06:52 PM

We wait two weeks after the release of a work before discussing, as indicated in the link at the top of each page. That one just came out today so it'll be two weeks from now before discussion can be held on it.

NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#100555: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:21:09 PM

It has been more than two weeks since the release of the Patient Zero Campaign for Hitman (2016), so I would like to share my thought about the targets.

The main bad guy is cult leader Oybek Nabazov, who plans to spread a lethal virus in Bangkok by using his cult members as carriers. While he’s killed in the very first mission, he’s took precautions and instructed some of his most loyal followers to carry out other virus attacks in case of his death. He has zero redeeming qualities and I can only think of one or two Hitman targets who could’ve achieved a similar body count with their plans.

Yet I hesitate to make an EP, because there are some other cult members that I consider to be just as worse.

Frist we have his second in command, Sister Yulduz. Unlike the others, she only follows Oybek out of greed. Having bought large amounts of stocks from pharmacy and security companies, she plans to ditch the cult before the mass suicide and make a huge profit from the virus outbreak.

Secondly there’s Craig Black. He’s the frustrated author of Cassandra Snow, a teenage romance/fantasy series. Secretly he loathes both his fans and his books and plans to infect the visitors of a Cassandra Snow convention with the virus. He even says that it doesn’t matter if he dies as long as he’ll be remember for something else than his books.

Lastly there’s also Owen Cage, who’s into the Illuminati, the Elders of Zion and other crazy conspiracy stuff. He contacted Nabazov’s cult and somehow - the game doesn't really explain it - helped them develop their plan Future more he also infected himself with the virus and was caught while trying to board a plan to Sydney.

To sum it up: If it hadn’t been for the other cult members, I would easily approve of Nabazov being a CM. Compared with the rest of the cult, however, he doesn’t really stands out anymore.

Ayn thoughts?

speyeker Since: Jan, 2001
#100556: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:43:11 PM

Before I said I was leaning towards [tup] for Glory, but make that a full-blown vote for me. Interesting find! Especially since the Buffyverse has ridiculously high heinous standards (and I haven't even seen the vast majority of Angel.

I also find it fitting that it's the user named "Beast" who is proposing her, given that Glory was initially referred to as "The Beast" at the beginning of the season.

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#100557: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:47:29 PM

So, I've heard that the Wolf Creek miniseries is getting a second season (guess that doesn't make it much of a miniseries). Mick's entry is a bit long, and it's only gonna get longer with the next season approaching. Anyone think that he should have a separate entry for the series?

edited 22nd Nov '17 5:51:47 PM by Stellarvore

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#100558: Nov 22nd 2017 at 5:59:16 PM

Your analysis sounds good NTG, given they're all nasty people who share the heinousness of their biggest attempted crime, seems no one stands out.

As for Mick his entry could probably use some condensing. Just playing around with it I can get it to be a little under 200 words so I'm sure if he gets new crimes in the TV series he writeup can be fixed accordingly.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#100559: Nov 22nd 2017 at 6:14:35 PM

I'd truncate what we have already for Mick and divide later if it becomes too much of a hassle. The potholes in that entry also need to be gutted. Frankly, that much blue is ridiculous.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#100560: Nov 22nd 2017 at 6:29:40 PM

Looks like Glory's going up.

That's... You know, I was considering her myself, but stopped because, well, it's Buffy. She's a Big Bad. In the Trope Namer for Big Bad. And I wasn't gonna propose her, that would be absurd! For one, I haven't watched that season in over a decade. For another, again, I couldn't begin to comprehend her never being brought up.

We still have time, though, for counterarguments. But still. Crazy.

Alright, I presume everyone's happy with the villains we have listed on the Buffyverse page at the moment? No one anyone thinks should be cut? I think it's pretty solid, myself, despite how bad some villains get.

Voyd211 (Edited uphill both ways)
#100561: Nov 22nd 2017 at 6:42:48 PM

I've got a possible entry for the quotes page.

Born of tainted womb and dragon lust, the Beast did crawl forth, shrieking and spitting lightning and eating of its week-dead parent's flesh. Blood-born and twisted, terrible and enraged, even the promised centuries of cruelties and slaughter would never quell the shattered paragon's bloodlust. And the Lord of Agonies smiled. Here was his will made flesh. And so he gifted the Beast with two natures, to spread terror and pain, shadow and suffering in mortal guise, mortal cunning in dragon form, this despoiler, this abomination, this Beast called Kazavon.

edited 22nd Nov '17 8:13:40 PM by Voyd211

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#100562: Nov 22nd 2017 at 6:43:05 PM

@ Scraggle I have a depotholed version of him for whenever ACW gets to it.

Edit: Also, given there haven't been any counterarguments for Glory I'm switching from abstain to [tup]

edited 22nd Nov '17 6:44:02 PM by 43110

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#100563: Nov 22nd 2017 at 7:31:52 PM

I like the quote. Just remove the potholes.

Nithael (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#100564: Nov 22nd 2017 at 8:41:02 PM

Hey guys, long time no see. I had almost no internet connection or phone reception since October, so I just now realized that Tak from Desperation was added as a CM. I'm... not sure I agree. I read the original effortpost and the following discussion and I want to bring up a point that hasn't been mentioned; namely, that Tak doesn't, actually, have full agency.

Now I'll admit I haven't read the novel in a while, but I remember that the story made a point to state that Tak was Made of Evil in a way that prevented it from really having a choice in its actions. As I once wrote on Stupid Evil:

  • Discussed in Stephen King's novel Desperation. The demonic being Tak murders an entire small town for kicks, despite needing a fresh supply of human hosts in order to survive. (To make this even more absurd, the town in question is in the middle of the desert.) When questioning Tak's actions, the characters come to the conclusion that, as a being Made of Evil, being evil is what it does, even if it means it's sabotaging itself.
    "Evil is both fragile and stupid, dying soon after the ecosystem it's poisoned."

Now I may be wrong, as I said I haven't read the book in a while, but unlike other supernatural entities like Pennywise or Atropos I seem to remember the story specifically stated that Tak was a being of Evil that could only do Evil, no matter what.

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Goku Black
#100565: Nov 22nd 2017 at 9:02:49 PM

[tup]Traitor

Since each take place in there own universe it should be judged sepaeratly.

[down][down]Add to drafts. So after BOB right.

edited 22nd Nov '17 9:19:35 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#100566: Nov 22nd 2017 at 9:05:43 PM

I’d read Desperation shortly before effort posting him. I remember Tak being both evil and rather stupid at times but I can’t remember the suggestion he lacks agency.

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#100567: Nov 22nd 2017 at 9:18:01 PM

So I'm going to do a write up for the Doppleganger from Twin Peaks

  • The Doppelgänger, born from Cooper's entrance in the Black Lodge at the end of the original series, cut a slew of human suffering across America for 25 years. He houses the previous Big Bad, BOB, and the pair gorge themselves on the pain they cause. Upon his emergence, he tracks down Major Briggs, one of the few to realize his deception and kills him. He later visits the comatose Audrey Horne and rapes her, conceiving Richard Horne, before dropping off the grid. When he reemerges, he poses as Cooper to get close to Coop's old secretary, Diane, manipulating and raping her before imprisoning her in the Black Lodge. From there he builds a criminal empire with a number of extortions and murders to his name. When he learns that his girlfriend Darya is plotting against him, he beats and murders her. When Cooper reappears he orders his subordinate, Duncan Todd, to kill him and when Todd fails The Doppelgänger has Todd and his assistant killed. When he encounters his son, Richard, years later he puts the young man into a trap meant for him and watches emotionlessly as Richard is electrocuted to death.

It's just a preliminary.

I still think that the Doppelgänger's moral agency is compromised due to him being created as a figure of evil from a place of evil, but people have argued against that. And I still feel the votes for and against are deficient, but here's a writeup anyway.

edited 22nd Nov '17 9:28:18 PM by DrPsyche

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The MILF Virus
#100568: Nov 22nd 2017 at 10:15:10 PM

[tup] Traitor.

I notices most candidates for Complete Monster lately comes from Literature, but there seems to be a lot to in Films. What do you think has more?

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The 47th President
#100569: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:09:42 PM

I guess I can give the Traitor a [tup]

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#100570: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:20:37 PM

Following up on Ayria, I got another villain for tonight... one that also squared off against Kyle Rayner of Green Lantern but is mainly a Hawkman rogue. For those unfamiliar...

What's the setting?

A DC superhero created way back during the Golden Age, Hawkman is... complicated, being essentially the poster boy for Continuity Snarl in DC. What I think is the most well-known version follows Carter Hall, an archaeologist who also happens to a reincarnated Egyptian prince who finds a spaceship from the world of Thanagar, full of the mysterious Nth Metal, a metallic substance which negates gravity and allows Carter to build a harness of Nth Metal that allows him to fly and become champion of justice Hawkman. Affiliated with various times with his distaff counterpart Hawkgirl, the Justice League.Justice Society, and various other heroes, one of Hawkman's foes is one of the seven devils of Thanagar, a being that exploits Nth Metal for his own evil purposes... Onimar-Synn.

Who is Synn? What has he done?

Strongest and most feared of the Seven Devils said to have plagued Thanagar long ago, Synn, the Sin-Eater and the Eater of Souls, is an arrogant, rapacious entity that was struck down and sealed away in a cage of Nth Metal by the legendary hero Kalmoran. However, during a war with the plundering Tormocks, Synn reemerges and takes over the planet, murdering the entirety of its high council and taking over the rest, devouring the souls of any that rebel – and those who don't – for the purpose of stocking his army with hundreds, maybe thousands, of resurrected corpses to serve as his “Dark Wingmen. With possession of the majority of Thanagar's Nth Metal and resistance headed by Hawkman and Hawkgirl, alongside the Justice Society, arises, Synn is displeased... making his first appearance by brutally torturing a captured Thanagarian citizen for information until he begs for death, before ending his life with a brutal shock to the skull. Synn's intent is to devour the souls of the entirety of Thanagar's populace to reduce them to his undead slaves before moving onto other worlds entirely to devour the souls of their populaces as well... after putting down the resistance, of course.

Synn personally arrives and utterly thrashes the Justice Society, banishing them to his prison whilst taking Hawkman and Hawkgirl to personally execute them. Synn up and admits he has no illusions that what he's doing is utterly deplorable, casually remarking that he's perverse and a sadist – facts he hasn't bothered denying in the thousands of years he's lived – before bringing Hawkman and Hawkgirl to the edge of the sky city he's taken over. Synn's used this spot to execute thousands of loyal Thanagarians, tying them up and pushing them off the edge frequently enough to fill up an entire valley with their sun-bleached bones, before doing to same to Hawkman and Hawkgirl. Though they escape outside of Synn's notice, Synn spends his time brutally torturing the captured Thanagarian resistance leader Zihn, gloating that there's an entire universe full of worlds and full of souls for him to devour. The Justice Society, together with a reunited Hawkman and Hawkgirl, come together once more to stop him, finally managing to defeat him and seemingly destroy him with the Claw of Horus.

...maybe they should have double-checked, there. Synn returns in the Rann-Thanagar War arc, Synn is reborn on what remains of Thanagar through the efforts of his high priest Denoth, immediately devouring a sacrifice to him and savoring her fear. Synn sets about roaming the planet feasting on the souls of the dead, dying, and agonized all across Thanagar and resurrecting many of them as his new army, now intent on invading Rann, massacring their entire populace, and using their resources to traverse the universe and consume the souls of every living being in the universe. Attacking and nearly killing Adam Strange and Kyle Rayner as they scour Thanagar for survivors, Synn dismisses them once they give him too many troubles and makes off in a hijacked Thanagarian Navy ship, pettily tossing out dozens of life support pods full of innocent people towards them towards Thanagar's surface to slowly perish from lack of oxygen. At the same time? Kyle and Adam hear the sounds of even more of his victims underneath Thanagar... hundreds of Thanagarians Synn had kept in suspended animation so he could nourish himself off of their souls at will, and now abandoning them all to slowly dethaw and suffocate as well. All this? To distract Kyle and Adam as he sets out for Rann to begin his massacre across the universe.

Synn arrives on Rann and immediately starts slaughtering and devouring citizens in Rann's capital city by countless numbers, gleefully relishing the carnage the whole while. Synn eventually takes over and captures Thanagar's leader... promising to murder each and every one of the remaining Thanagarians as he's made to watch, before intending to kill and devour him as well. Synn sends out his men to detain the new resistance attempting to disable his means of reaching the rest of the universe, engorging himself on Rann's populace the whole while, until Adam and Hawkman finally come to destroy him. Synn gloats that he'll make Adam the leader of the Thanagarian armies and Hawkman that of the Rannian armies purely to spite them after he eats their souls and reduces them to his puppets.

When he meets further complications due to the interference of Captain Comet, Synn furiously makes his way to the last vestige of Rann's underground resistance, intending to massacre every man, woman, and child there to get to their technology, utterly enthralled at the potential of devouring entire galaxies worth of people to slake his sadistic hunger and decimating everything and everyone in his way. Synn, just at the edge of the Rannian base, is finally stopped when the heroes attach the very technology he seeks to use to travel to other parts of the universe and using it to teleport him... seven different ways, into seven different stars, splitting Synn apart with one more agonized cry from in and preventing him from ever being resurrected again as all the remaining followers and undead slaves in his thrall fall apart and die with Synn's destruction.

Any mitigating factors?

I mean... no, not really. Synn doesn't feast on souls because he needs to but more because he's an arrogant sadist who wants to murder the entire universe to turn it into his undead slave empire, slaughtering thousands of people without even turning them into one of his undead slaves after and openly acknowledging himself as a sadist without a regret in his life, a nightmare who thrives off of suffering and fear and is openly shown exalting in it all the while.

For the heinous standard? Even for a powerful demon at his power level capable of killing entire worlds, I think Synn makes it... standing up even against characters like Starbreaker through his enormous body count, leagues of nasty, sadistic torture and murder that add an edge of nasty personal villainy as well, and an end goal that entails the slaughter of billions if not trillions of lives across the universe. For as surprisingly minor of a villain Synn is and for as many nasty world destroyers in the DC universe there are, I think he makes it there.

Conclusion?

I'd say keep Synn.

Thoughts?

edited 22nd Nov '17 11:21:12 PM by Scraggle

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#100571: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:22:31 PM

[tup] Synn

Now here's a candidate who takes Adaptational Villainy Up To Eleven.

What's the work?

The anime version of Chrono Crusade came out in 2003 and had to come up with an original ending. That should be enough for many of you to figure out who I'll be talking about.

Taking place in 1928, Sister Rosette Christopher of the Magdalene order seeks to find her younger brother, Joshua, an "apostle" needed by devils for a ritual and was kidnapped for said purpose. Teaming up with reformed devil Chrono, she makes a contract with him to be able to use his power at the cost of her life force. They go through a series of adventures and gain allies in the young apostle Azmaria and the tough but sweet wealthy bounty hunter Satella.

Now, the head of the devils who took Joshua for his nefarious plans? Three guesses here, folks.

Who is Aion? What has he done?

In his first appearance, Aion rains a deadly hailstorm upon New York City and summons zombies and miasma to kill citizens. Confronting Rosette, Chrono, Azmaria and Satella, Aion callously mocks their hardships and tries to get Rosette to join him, feeling her up and forcing a kiss on her while doing so. When he realizes Joshua's seizures might kill him before he's done being useful to Aion, Aion tries to kidnap Rosette, knowing their bond will lessen the strain and sends a subordinate whose People Puppets power endangers dozens of citizens.

When we get a flashback on his past with the Christopher siblings, we learn he took Chrono's devil horns and gave them to Joshua, which drove him insane and led to kill petrifying everyone except Rosette in his orphanage. In a flashback with Chrono, we learn Aion decapitated the head of Pandemonium (basically the in-universe Hell) and sought to use it in a ritual to become God. When confronted by other devils, Aion declared to Chrono he would be seen as an accomplice and forced him to fight alongside his "Sinners" in a bloody battle where we are told Chrono alone killed 100 million of the attacking devils.

Back in the present, Satella investigates the murders committed by a devil worshipper and we find out a woman named Eliza is behind it. Manipulated by Aion, she has killed an entire town for him and captures Satella. During this time, Aion reveals to Satella he was the one who killed her parents and corrupter her older sister into becoming a demonic Sinner. When Aion begins molesting Satella, Eliza becomes jealous and tries to attack, so Aion kills her. Fortunately the arrival of Chrono and Rosette stop any further sexual assault.

During a carnival, Aion lures Rosette to Joshua and has one of his minions kidnap Azmaria, killing Satella's kindly butler in the process, to begin his ritual with the apostles. The resulting abnormalities threaten to destroy all of San Francisco. When Rosette seemingly stops him, Aion reveals that his true purpose was to draw out the holy power within her and orders his subordinate to kill the seven apostles now that he doesn't need them anymore, barely stopped from murdering the young Azmaria. Again forcing a kiss on Rosette, Aion controls her now affected mind to follow him.

In another flashback, we learn that Aion was the one to tear off Chrono's horns in response to him just hesitating when Aion ordered him to kill a human woman he had fallen in love with. When found in San Francisco with Rosette, Aion is using her to claim to be a miracle worker. When Chrono tries to grab Rosette to stop her from following Aion, Aion declares him a devil and tries to have the mob tear him apart. Publically declaring all humans unholy, Aion tries to convince all people to kill each other. When confronted by Chrono, Aion torments him by Rosette try and kill him although on their second confrontation, Chrono breaks through to Rosette and she gives the rest of the power in her contract to let Chrono kill Aion.

While the ending is somewhat ambiguous in whether Aion revives in 1981, the anime still makes it pretty clear if he does come back, there will be people to fight him.

Heinousness?

Easily sets it being the Big Bad, although there are Monsters of the Week who try and kill hundreds of people, Aion's plan would destroy Earth in the process of moving Heaven's energy to Pandemonium.

Mitigating factors?

Gone are his manga counterparts positive traits and Freudian Excuse. He fucking laughs when one Sinner dies and cares for no one, only seeing people as pawns to be used.

Verdict

Keeping his atrocities while stripping himself of his original's redeeming qualities? Anime!Aion is a keep.

edited 22nd Nov '17 11:23:31 PM by 43110

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Goku Black
#100572: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:25:39 PM

[tup]Synn

Just when you think Marvel and Dc don't have any more canon examples and we've fished it for all its worth. You can still find new people, Kinda weird actually.

Also [tup]Aion. God that feels weird considering how many redeeming qualities he has in the manga.

edited 22nd Nov '17 11:27:10 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#100574: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:35:03 PM

[up][up] To be honest, given just how many Marvel/DC comics there are out there, I'd say it's not a risky bet to say there are still quite a few good candidates not listed yet, Synn among them. Karza and the Marquis were thought to be surprising, but given that research tells me there are dozens of world-destroying, genocidal monsters within both Marvel and DC left? I imagine there's quite a few just as nasty as them still lurking around undiscovered.

Yea to Aion.

edited 22nd Nov '17 11:36:17 PM by Scraggle

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Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#100575: Nov 22nd 2017 at 11:43:01 PM

[tup] Aion and Synn....If Synn got approved, will this image work:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVhvfSQL9IWGlVFfSMJDhbjY6VSrGdvB0TpvXEwNu9mCBM0WisrJlRa0Vc3Q

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

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